Petrajs_Killer Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/...tent_385012.htm Now why haven't we heard an out cry for these beheadings (chances are that she will join the ranks of Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, Korean hostages, Pakistani hostages, and Eugene Armstrong; a source to find these videos/pictures if you so desire)? The UN only does a mild outcry of this. Neither Bush nor Kerry has not said anything in regard to this. I don't think anyone in here, besides me, has brought it up in here. It just sickens me when all I hear about are squabbles of anti-Bush bs. An interesting note on Margaret H!@#$%^&*an's capture (source):Margaret is a woman, a community elder, and a humanitarian aid worker. She is protected under both international humanitarian law and the Shari'ah. As the Sunnah teaches us (Sahih Al-Muslim, Kitab al-Birr, Narrated by Abu Huraira, 59), the Prophet Muhammad himself privileged humanitarians - "[W]hosoever removes a worldly grief from a believer, God will remove from him one of the grieves of the Day of Judgment. Whosoever alleviates a needy person, God will alleviate from him in this world and the next". Having wrongly abducted Margaret from the Iraqi battlefield as a prisoner of war, according to The Holy Qur'an (Chapter 47:4), her captors now have two choices - either show generosity and grant her freedom, or take a ransom and release her. These are the only options ordained under Islamic Law. Either way, Margaret must be set free.
»Ducky Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 I didn't notice an outcry from the other beheadings. Heh.Didn't recognize any names also. Must be my anti war care. Bad things are happening to good people. Suprise suprise?
Petrajs_Killer Posted October 26, 2004 Author Report Posted October 26, 2004 So you don't care about these acts of barbarism? How shocking!
MasterDrake Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 yawn, nuke the world problem solved
»Ducky Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 It's no different than the girl who got mutilated from the seriel killer last month. I didn't care about her, don't see why I should about someone else. Not to say I am not just and believe the people responsible should have nothing done to them. But It isn't my call to carry those things out.
MonteZuma Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/...tent_385012.htm Now why haven't we heard an out cry for these beheadings... The UN only does a mild outcry of this. Neither Bush nor Kerry has not said anything in regard to this.Margaret H!@#$%^&*an has been in the news daily. Tony Blair and Kofi Annan stood side by side in London and condemned the kidnapping. This doesn't happen for every hostage. And by the way, Margaret H!@#$%^&*an is one of the Liberals that you hate so much. She was opposed to UN sanctions against Iraq and she opposed the invasion. In 2003 she said:"The Iraqi people are already living through a terrible emergency [the sanctions] - they do not have the resources to withstand an additional crisis brought about by military action." It is a pity that you can't feel the same empathy for the ordinary Iraqi-born citizens who have been unfairly and brutally killed.
Yupa Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 This one is like the icing on the cake of these re-*BAD WORD*-s' idiocy. Margaret H!@#$%^&*an has lived in Iraq for 30 years. She is a naturalized Iraqi citizen. She is married to an Iraqi man. She is Muslim. She has pretty much dedicated her life to charity work all over Iraq. These guys have to be the stupidest !@#$%^&*ers on the planet.
Aileron Posted October 28, 2004 Report Posted October 28, 2004 I've said it before and I'll say it again...terrorists are not fighting for any remotely respectable cause. We should have no qualms about hunting each on of them down and shipping them off to be tortured to death somewhere. Maybe we shouldn't torture them to death, but if so only because we are not barbarians...they themselves deserve whatever we can give them.
Petrajs_Killer Posted October 28, 2004 Author Report Posted October 28, 2004 And by the way, Margaret H!@#$%^&*an is one of the Liberals that you hate so much. She was opposed to UN sanctions against Iraq and she opposed the invasion.What is your point here? That you believe anyone and everyone against one's views deserves to die?It is a pity that you can't feel the same empathy for the ordinary Iraqi-born citizens who have been unfairly and brutally killed.Before Saddam's removal: thousands of innocent Iraqi-born citizens were murdered, abused, etc. Death toll: hundreds of thousands.After Saddam's removal: none of that, just terrorists (i.e. "militant groups" for the Liberals out there) fighting a campaign against the allied forces and Iraq. Death toll: on the hundreds. So yeah, no real empathy shown there. Oh, how I have erred!
MonteZuma Posted October 29, 2004 Report Posted October 29, 2004 What is your point here? That you believe anyone and everyone against one's views deserves to die?My opinion is the exact opposite. My point is:It is a pity that you can't feel the same empathy for the ordinary Iraqi-born citizens who have been unfairly and brutally killed. Before Saddam's removal: thousands of innocent Iraqi-born citizens were murdered' date=' abused, etc. Death toll: hundreds of thousands.After Saddam's removal: none of that, just terrorists (i.e. "militant groups" for the Liberals out there) fighting a campaign against the allied forces and Iraq. Death toll: on the hundreds.[/quote']You forgot to count the 15,000 civilians that have died during and after the US invasion. Shock and awe. Oh, how you have erred!
MonteZuma Posted October 29, 2004 Report Posted October 29, 2004 I've said it before and I'll say it again...terrorists are not fighting for any remotely respectable cause. We should have no qualms about hunting each on of them down and shipping them off to be tortured to death somewhere. Maybe we shouldn't torture them to death, but if so only because we are not barbarians...they themselves deserve whatever we can give them.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are all of these hostage-takers terrorists in the conventional sense of the word, or are some just criminals? I suspect that, for many, the only agenda is obtaining ransom money. Whether that money is then used to support terrorism or not is another question. Apparently there is big money to be made. Torture is barbaric and has no place in a civilised culture.
MasterDrake Posted October 29, 2004 Report Posted October 29, 2004 Most of the terrorist actions that have taken place (beheading's) they are telling the US to release major alquida leaders, don't count on that happening any time soon.
Aileron Posted October 29, 2004 Report Posted October 29, 2004 You forgot to count the 15,000 civilians that have died during and after the US invasion. Shock and awe. Oh, how you have erred!<{POST_SNAPBACK}> How did WE err? Most of that was terrorist on civilian bombings and you know it. You are blaming the US for every time an "Iraqi freedom fighter" kills Iraqi civilians. Its obscure logic...the fact that we started the conflict should make us prepared for any retaliation against our troops, but Iraqi civilians? If they were fighting for the Iraqi people, the Iraqi people wouldn't be their primary target. Note that I said PRIMARY target...if given the choice between a US army base and an Iraqi civilian structure, these people will choose the Iraqi civilians 15:1. Besides, it is clear that the US wants nothing more than to leave. Bush wants to lead in six months, Kerry wants to leave in six months, I'm sure even Nadar wants to leave as fast as possible. We want the region to stabilise so that we can leave. Anyone who wants the US out would help us rebuild infrastructure. So basically, you have a group trying to prevent stability so that we stay longer. If they wanted to drive us out, they wouldn't be fighting at all. If they thought that the Iraqi government is some kind of US puppet, they would be targeting US military forces and Iraqi government buildings. These people aren't fighting to get us out, they are fighting to keep us in! The only exception to this line of behavior is the beheadings and the Spanish train incident. This I can't understand...maybe they want to keep the US in and get our allies out.
MonteZuma Posted November 1, 2004 Report Posted November 1, 2004 These people aren't fighting to get us out, they are fighting to keep us in!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>They are fighting to embar!@#$%^&* your government and to force your military and every other foreign group to pull out of Iraq with their tail between its legs. It seems to be working so far.
MasterDrake Posted November 2, 2004 Report Posted November 2, 2004 right .. I will go myself if they need that much help
MonteZuma Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 Oh, how you have erred!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>How did WE err? Most of that was terrorist on civilian bombings and you know it. You are blaming the US for every time an "Iraqi freedom fighter" kills Iraqi civilians.Right on cue, The Lancet has just published an paper -*BAD WORD*-led "Mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq:cluster sample survey" by Les Roberts, Riyadh Lafta, Richard Garfield, Jamal Khudhairi, Gilbert Burnham (online 29 October, 2004). Their findings: Findings The risk of death was estimated to be 2·5-fold (95% CI 1·6–4·2) higher after the invasion when compared with the preinvasion period. Two-thirds of all violent deaths were reported in one cluster in the city of Falluja. If we exclude the Falluja data, the risk of death is 1·5-fold (1·1–2·3) higher after the invasion. We estimate that 98 000 more deaths than expected (8000–194 000) happened after the invasion outside of Falluja and far more if the outlier Falluja cluster is included. The major causes of death before the invasion were myocardial infarction, cerebrovascular accidents, and other chronic disorders whereas after the invasion violence was the primary cause of death. Violent deaths were widespread, reported in 15 of 33 clusters, and were mainly attributed to coalition forces. Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children. The risk of death from violence in the period after the invasion was 58 times higher (95% CI 8·1–419) than in the period before the war. Where does all this Iraqi anti-Americanism come from I wonder? Oh how you have erred.
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