KaBouTeR PLoP Posted September 5, 2003 Report Posted September 5, 2003 I really really really suggest that there would be a change in rulez for the forfeit wins... The current situation is that a forfeit win is worth 3 points...Way 2 much in my opinion. I Think it should be rewarded 2 points...yes 2 points and not 3 points. Here are my reasons... First, the squad that doesn't show up is just worthless and rightfully doesn't get any points, but the other squad also hasn't played or battled for the points...Therefore I think it should be rewarded less points than an actual win. Also...The current system rewards 3 points for a win or forfeit win1 point for a loss0 points for a forfeit loss...so 1 point less than a normal lossso woudn't it be logical to reward a forfeit win also with 1 point less...like 2 points. I also understand the reasons why it shoudn't be changed... The squad that does show up has notting to do with the squad that doesn't show up. They can't help it that the other squad isnt there...I know that and therefore are the 2 points. For the discipline to show up. And yes we are dealing with an international palet of players with different timezones. But the times for the sbl have been set and if u can't show well...-*BAD WORD*- happens. And like i said before no show is reallt worthless in my opinion and showing deserves respect and points but not as much as an actual win... Basicly I just feel that u should be fighting with yur squad 2 deserve the whole 3 points or just 1 for the battle. Not fighting at all is less worth in my eyes and therfore a forfeit win should get 2 points and not the current 3 points. There should be a visible difference between a actual win and a forfeit win...Keep this in mind when u see another forfeit win... And always play with honour...it's a league for christ sake.... Quote
talion Posted September 6, 2003 Report Posted September 6, 2003 If you get into the playoffs with 6 forfeit wins and 3 normal wins and some losses, you will probably lose to the first squad that has earned their points. I don't think this rule should change because, as you said already, the team that shows for the forfeit win doesn't have any control on the team that gives up the forfeit loss. And while you're right in saying that the win is "worth" less, the purpose of the Regular Season is to ensure only DEDICATED teams make the playoffs, AKA teams that show for their games. In professional sport even the best teams on paper don't make the playoffs, but they still show for all their games, and sometimes change who does make the playoffs (example that comes easiest to mind for me is the Rangers in the NHL). But in SS/CTM noone gets paid to do anything, unless you're in Worldpeace. So it falls to the league Coordinators and Directors to make the best rules that will ensure that teams that are willing to compete will make the playoffs. I hope that made sense to you, I'll post again if not :/ It's been one of those days. Quote
MikeTheNose Posted September 6, 2003 Report Posted September 6, 2003 Moving topic to the 17th League Forum. Quote
SeVeR Posted September 6, 2003 Report Posted September 6, 2003 Talions right. It shouldn't be possible to lose a league having won all your games just because more of the squads you were playing didn't bother to show up. Lol you could get squads fixing leagues by doing this on the final day of the season. Captain 1: hey could you make sure your squad doesn't show for the match against *top squad*Captain 2: why would i want to do that?Captain 1: Well we will win the league if you do and i'll make it worth your while.Captain 2: How?Captain 1: Well you can join my squad next season and i'll let you bring some of your better members too.Captain 2: Wow i've always wanted to join your elite squad. .. and so on. There would be of course other reasons for squads to throw games but you get the picture i hope. Quote
KaBouTeR PLoP Posted September 6, 2003 Author Report Posted September 6, 2003 Sure things can be fixed but thay can be already now 2...so that's no point 2 me. And for real when someone comes 2 one of the squads in the 17th...i don't think many players woud actually do that and fix the league. I mean 17th has a relativly small players selection for the sbl and for the players i know...Well they have some sense of honour and woudn't do that. But it coud happen... But my point is i get really irritated when i see pirates with 3 forfeit wins and the same squads that didnt show up then do now...And when u didn't play the matches u don't deserve to win the league cauz u didnt played...Sounds kinda old skool but i think the honour should count for more that the practical reasons. And really the squads that are in the sbl they know it and they don't make agreements...That's just not the league style...well at least i hope so in this zone... Quote
talion Posted September 6, 2003 Report Posted September 6, 2003 There will be a playoff after the regular season. As I said, the regular season is more for weeding out the unwilling squads than anything in Continuum leagues. And -pirates- have won games the hard way as well. If you're so worried about it, practice more, and thump whoever you play in the playoffs. Quote
KaBouTeR PLoP Posted September 6, 2003 Author Report Posted September 6, 2003 sure...well today probalbly our first forfeit win against no tolerance..since they only have 4 eligable players... Quote
SeVeR Posted September 7, 2003 Report Posted September 7, 2003 Also i think if two squads have the exact same points then the ones with more forfeit wins will be placed lower in the standings anyway. But like talion said a squad just needs to get into the playoffs from the regular season so its not that crucial. Quote
Omega Ody Posted September 7, 2003 Report Posted September 7, 2003 Heres an idea. May not like it, but I really don't care either way. Kab wants a foreit to be worth 2 points, not 3. Tal wants to keep it 3 points. If a team doesn't show up to play, then the match is considered forfeit. So what you do is, when the team doesnt show up, call for pub members to take their place. The two teams play, and if the League team wins, then they get the full 3 points. If the pub members win, then the League team doesnt get 0 points, they get 2 instead. No matter what, the League team gets points, but they still have to work for the full 3. Quote
SeVeR Posted September 7, 2003 Report Posted September 7, 2003 Its a good idea but i don't think it'll catch on because a squad that don't have alot of skill and don't show could be replaced by 4 pros who might easily beat them and cause them to lose a point. I can see alot of complaints if the rule was implemented. Also you'd have to find 4 people who aren't in a squad and they could still be pros posing as innocent noobs. Quote
Omega Ody Posted September 7, 2003 Report Posted September 7, 2003 Well I also agree with kab that a forfeit shouldnt be worth full points. So my idea is good in my eyes. so.... Quote
kidnorad Posted September 8, 2003 Report Posted September 8, 2003 Hi, This is stupid, you can't give a squad 2 points for the fact they "didnt" battle.The forfeiting squad gets zero points, logical. But you can't give the squad wich showed a points less for the fact that the opposing team forfeited. For example: Last saturday 17 GMT Elemental vs No Tolerance. Elemental has a showup of 9 players, No tolerance isnt to be seen anywhere.Dont you guys want to play?!... but no tolerance isnt around. So you guys get a point less for.. what? For showing up with 9 anxious players? -kid Quote
Omega Ody Posted September 8, 2003 Report Posted September 8, 2003 No, we get a point less for not having to fight. Well man I showed up at the bank and wanted money, but they wouldnt give it too me...in fact they called the cops...but anyway, moral of the story: You shouldn't get what you didn't work for. Im part of elemental, and I still think that 2 points for a forfeit is fair. So we have 9 anxious players, that will help us out when we need them, later in playoffs. Quote
SeVeR Posted September 8, 2003 Report Posted September 8, 2003 Lol i can tell you now the rule will never get implemented. Certainly not in this season. Quote
Omega Ody Posted September 8, 2003 Report Posted September 8, 2003 Yes, I know it wont. But the idea is sound, and thats all that matters. Quote
talion Posted September 9, 2003 Report Posted September 9, 2003 The idea is sound I'm sure in your head, but either it's being presented wrong or I'm misunderstanding it then because you can't fault the squad that shows in a forfeit win for ANYTHING. And the regular season is just that, a training ground for the playoffs. As Sever said, I don't see this rule getting implemented any time soon. Quote
KaBouTeR PLoP Posted September 10, 2003 Author Report Posted September 10, 2003 Well...it's a shame but really do u hounistly think that u should get the same amount of points for just showing up or when u battle for it..even if it's a ez game... Quote
SeVeR Posted September 10, 2003 Report Posted September 10, 2003 YESbecause its not their fault! Quote
KaBouTeR PLoP Posted September 11, 2003 Author Report Posted September 11, 2003 I understand that but u didnt fight for the points...Forget the fact that it not their fault Plain and simple...u are saying u should get the same points for doing absolutly nothing rather than fight for it... Thats just wrong... Quote
SeVeR Posted September 11, 2003 Report Posted September 11, 2003 Yes it is wrong. But its not as wrong as getting less points when the squad you're meant to be playing can't be arsed to show up. This is so obvious that i'm not gonna repeat my owns words and the words of others for the purpose of reinforcing my point of view in this post. End of discussion. Quote
KaBouTeR PLoP Posted September 12, 2003 Author Report Posted September 12, 2003 blargh... Last Word Quote
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