Education

[Guest Recombo]

With so many options available to parents with regard to education, I'm noticing that people are moving away from public education into other forms. Personally my brothers spent parts of their education in private schools, charter schools, and home schooling but they haven't been able to maintain minimum levels of math and history. The public schools seem to have been the best choice.

 

Comments?

[»Ducky]

I can't personally answer your poll question as it is too vague for my standards...

What time span are we supposed to be measuring the improvement. 4 years? 8?

 

I have always been a full supporter of Unschooling. I favor art and personal choice over blunt knowledge. Many of those unschooled have vast amounts of general logic compared to the ordinary graduates I have seen of late.

 

I don't believe public schools cover enough of life essentials, as it does hypothetical nonsense in order to let you understand how 2+2=4. (Random figure) I would !@#$%^&*sume 3/4 of elementary children at the moment have ill feelings towards homosexuality and racism. (As witnessed earlier in the week when I saw 4 boys playing "beat the muslim") These are subjects very few schools cover and which need to.

 

Knock off all the garbage about religion being intertwined with state so that we may fight these problems head on.

[Guest Recombo]

Sorry to have not met your 'standards'.

 

Can you say....ego.

[Dr.Worthless]

I have always been a full supporter of Unschooling. I favor art and personal choice over blunt knowledge. Many of those unschooled have vast amounts of general logic compared to the ordinary graduates I have seen of late.

 

I don't believe public schools cover enough of life essentials, as it does hypothetical nonsense in order to let you understand how 2+2=4. (Random figure) I would !@#$%^&*sume 3/4 of elementary children at the moment have ill feelings towards homosexuality and racism. (As witnessed earlier in the week when I saw 4 boys playing "beat the muslim") These are subjects very few schools cover and which need to.

 

Knock off all the garbage about religion being intertwined with state so that we may fight these problems head on.

 

Multiple responses

 

1.) In todays global market, having "life skills" isnt going to cut it. You have to be solid in math and science to be able to compete in a global scale.

 

2.) So you blame schools for teaching these boys "beat the muslim"? I would blame parents/media..

 

3.) So we go from blaming school to blaming religion in schools? Heh..

[»Ducky]

Sorry to have not met your 'standards'.

 

Can you say....ego.

Um, k

I guess.

 

Multiple responses

 

1.) In todays global market, having "life skills" isnt going to cut it. You have to be solid in math and science to be able to compete in a global scale.

No, Networking will still hold the #1 position. You don't learn to network in school, you learn to bend knee when someone walks by.

 

2.) So you blame schools for teaching these boys "beat the muslim"? I would blame parents/media..

So you would rather have them learning the same material 3 years in a row rather than talking about the essential things in life on a large scale? Why can't you take 45 minutes out of your day and answer questions about racism or sexuality. These things are "forbidden" in many places. And then you wonder why the amount of bigots and social zombies increases.

 

3.) So we go from blaming school to blaming religion in schools? Heh..

Yea, I appologize that I don't participate in the bigger threads where you post mainly.

I can understand your inability to comprehend the real problems in life.

Children are suspended from school activities because they choose not to pledge to the flag "under god".

I can see how that has no religious influence.

MY BAD

[Guest Recombo]

Ducky, i've been warned by the flamers, not to flame. Let's keep it positive k?

 

As for the 'under God' thing, it's really only a matter of a very few people who want to live in denial that belief in God as well as freedom was the foundation for this country. I don't think the founders had 'unparalleled empowerment' on that list.

[»Ducky]

Ducky, i've been warned by the flamers, not to flame. Let's keep it positive k?

Totally understood, I see how I desearved to be attacked for my "egoism."

Stfu

 

As for the 'under God' thing, it's really only a matter of a very few people who want to live in denial that belief in God as well as freedom was the foundation for this country. I don't think the founders had 'unparalleled empowerment' on that list.

 

Religious Freedom, which is half-!@#$%^&*ed anyways. I cannot go through one day without hearing something about Christianity or god.

The "Founding Fathers" had alot of bad ideals. (Slavery, Ding Ding)

They were pathetic rebels who didn't know what they were doing. Only through trial and error did they finally get somewhere. 200 years later.

 

It's time to scratch the words from the pledge and get Christian idealism away from public settings.

It won't hurt removing it, only hurts when it stays. So why is it there.

"It's only a few who disagree with it."

So let's continue to shove things into their throat. That helps.

[Guest Recombo]

lol, now that opinion is just screwed. One day you'll look back at this and say 'wtf was i thinking?'. That is, if you pursue a higher education.

[white_0men]

lol, now that opinion is just screwed.  One day you'll look back at this and say 'wtf was i thinking?'.  That is, if you pursue a higher education. 

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It usually helps if you give a reason that you think his opinion is screwed.

[Guest Recombo]

He says 'the founding fathers were pathetic rebels'. Yet he sits there and enjoys freely saying it, in a land where he is free to do so, on his uberMhz computer.

 

I suppose most of that came from good ol' communist ideals.

 

What he said is in no way politically objective, nor contains even the remotest about of respect for the folks who gave him what he has today. Ducky, you have done nothing here but attempted to rip on anything and everything to do with US. It's apparent you have some underlying beef with someone, or something, but your apathy and resentment doesn't solve it. I challenge you to say something with political objectiveness without condeming the very people who provide your way of life.

 

Thankfully enough, most posters here won't have a snowball's chance in -*BAD WORD*- to influence someone of untied political sense. So - continue with your anger and hate because in the end, we're just reading nothing more than short fictional ideals.

[Dr.Worthless]

Religious Freedom, which is half-!@#$%^&*ed anyways. I cannot go through one day without hearing something about Christianity or god.

The "Founding Fathers" had alot of bad ideals. (Slavery, Ding Ding)

They were pathetic rebels who didn't know what they were doing. Only through trial and error did they finally get somewhere. 200 years later.

 

It's time to scratch the words from the pledge and get Christian idealism away from public settings.

It won't hurt removing it, only hurts when it stays. So why is it there.

"It's only a few who disagree with it."

So let's continue to shove things into their throat. That helps.

Heh wow, the founding fathers lived for 200 years.. man I want whatever they are smoking.

 

 

Real "Freedom" is the ability to CHOOSE what you want to do. You have the CHOICE to SAY or NOT TO SAY "UNDER GOD" in the pledge.

 

If you think the ideals of this country are so terrible, ducky, get the -*BAD WORD*- OUT, there's nothing restricting you from leaving.

 

No, Networking will still hold the #1 position. You don't learn to network in school, you learn to bend knee when someone walks by.

 

"Sorry, I don't know what the term capital means, or what 2+2 is, but i'll be your friend!!!"

 

 

So you would rather have them learning the same material 3 years in a row rather than talking about the essential things in life on a large scale? Why can't you take 45 minutes out of your day and answer questions about racism or sexuality. These things are "forbidden" in many places. And then you wonder why the amount of bigots and social zombies increases.

 

Yeah, I do, because people like yourself don't want to take responsibilty. It isn't the schools place to teach anything about racism, sexuality, or anything else social related, its the PARENTS job to. When the PARENTS raise -*BAD WORD*-ed up kids, the correct thing to do would be to take blame, instead they dump it off on someone else. Its not the schools fault that the kids are -*BAD WORD*-ed up, its the PARENTS fault.

[Guest Recombo]

<Joe School Boy> "Sorry, I don't know what the term capital means, or what 2+2 is, but i'll be your friend!!!"

 

Networking with friends for a job, a promotion, and whatnot is very important. Solid education is equally important. You need both to make a real success of yourself.

 

Although, some managers I know have MBA's, and network well, but they are still slackers and don't work hard.

[»Ducky]

He says 'the founding fathers were pathetic rebels'. Yet he sits there and enjoys freely saying it, in a land where he is free to do so, on his uberMhz computer.

I don't remember choosing my country of birth. I'll be sure to get it right next time around. Obviously I don't have the means to leave, or I would have long ago for England.

Christian followers and slave owners at the same time.

The country was meant well, but as long as we do something right.. We can do something wrong. Right?

PATHETIC

 

What he said is in no way politically objective, nor contains even the remotest about of respect for the folks who gave him what he has today. Ducky, you have done nothing here but attempted to rip on anything and everything to do with US. It's apparent you have some underlying beef with someone, or something, but your apathy and resentment doesn't solve it. I challenge you to say something with political objectiveness without condeming the very people who provide your way of life.

Yes, I have the problem because I discourage your views and disrupt the stability in the bubble of stupidity surrounding you. *Looks around for your contribution to the topic*

I gave my views on education like you asked.

 

Thankfully enough, most posters here won't have a snowball's chance in -*BAD WORD*- to influence someone of untied political sense. So - continue with your anger and hate because in the end, we're just reading nothing more than short fictional ideals

Changing the pledge or removing it entirely are fictional ideals?

Teaching kids about things they need to have in the real world is fictional?

Teaching that homosexuality is not a crime, but they are equal people who desearve equal rights is somehow impossible?

Just what are you attempting to imply.

 

Heh wow, the founding fathers lived for 200 years.. man I want whatever they are smoking.

 

 

Real "Freedom" is the ability to CHOOSE what you want to do. You have the CHOICE to SAY or NOT TO SAY "UNDER GOD" in the pledge.

 

If you think the ideals of this country are so terrible, ducky, get the -*BAD WORD*- OUT, there's nothing restricting you from leaving.

Where have ya been mate? Kids are getting in trouble left and right for not saying the "pledge of obedience" correctly or entirely.

Yes, there is a choice. But when you make it, you are outcasted. I would rather have no choice at all. At least then, you know your boundaries.

I am leaving as soon as possible, no worries Moral obligation to family comes first though... Or do conservatives just toss that aside.

 

"Sorry, I don't know what the term capital means, or what 2+2 is, but i'll be your friend!!!"

"I'll just chill here, finishing up this report; and when a customer stops by, I'll tell him to -*BAD WORD*- off."

Yeah, I do, because people like yourself don't want to take responsibilty. It isn't the schools place to teach anything about racism, sexuality, or anything else social related, its the PARENTS job to. When the PARENTS raise -*BAD WORD*-ed up kids, the correct thing to do would be to take blame, instead they dump it off on someone else. Its not the schools fault that the kids are -*BAD WORD*-ed up, its the PARENTS fault.

Normally I would agree, but sticking with my original arguement; the criteria that is taught throughout basic public schooling is repeated. Instead of repe!@#$%^&*ion, why not take the biggest social scene and make something of it.

The few courses available to highschool students include basic debate, psychology and philosophy. Those will teach you certain things you need to know in life.

Why include some and exclude others.

[Aileron]

What Ducky, you think eveyone who isn't a communist like yourself is stupid? Boy, with that sheer underestimation of your opponants, its a wonder you are still alive today.

 

 

Ugh, quit whining about slavery. It was wrong, but a lot less sadistic from the European fuedal system. We went to the other side of the world to a starving country for our slaves, they went accrossed the street and made slaves out of their neighbors, many of whom they actually knew.

 

 

Your origional point about "under God" in the pledge is stupid. Its two words. They aren't going to force kids to beat Muslim students. Its not forcing your religion upon someone. The idea of seperation between church and state was created in context of the Spanish Inquisition and various national wars over religion. This simply doesn't compare. Anyone who can't stand two words of monodeitic text has no business being in any country not completly tied to his/her home religion. Removing enough religion so that no one would have to face two words of religion would be to remove religion completely. Knowing you, you probably have no problem with that. Maybe someday you will see how important religion is in society, but untill then just recognize the fact that you are either communist or highly socialist and you have to right to consider it "a bubble of stupidity" when a moderate dissagrees with you.

 

 

Now, back to the actuall ISSUE here. I say the problem with schools is that they have become a right of passage. Its no longer a means to teach students, its something kids have to do in the process of growing up. Its the mindest of schooling that has to be changed. The "No Child Left Behind" plan chips away at this problem, when schools need to compete with each other, it makes the situation like businesses providing products. The problem is it takes several years before we know if it works or not.

 

The US college system is pretty good, though getting expensive. There is only one problem here and its easy to solve - we need more schools. Higher supply lowers demand lowers price.

[»Ducky]

What Ducky, you think eveyone who isn't a communist like yourself is stupid? Boy, with that sheer underestimation of your opponants, its a wonder you are still alive today.

Realism. If It's a silly opinion or thought, I will call it. Because I choose to type out "idiot" instead of just thinking it, it makes me bad?

 

Ugh, quit whining about slavery. It was wrong, but a lot less sadistic from the European fuedal system. We went to the other side of the world to a starving country for our slaves, they went accrossed the street and made slaves out of their neighbors, many of whom they actually knew.

I should bring that up whenever any discussion is raised. "Well you know what's worse.."

But we weren't talking about that, so it doesn't matter.

Don't justify wrong doings by citing similar worse happenings.

 

Your origional point about "under God" in the pledge is stupid. Its two words. They aren't going to force kids to beat Muslim students. Its not forcing your religion upon someone. The idea of seperation between church and state was created in context of the Spanish Inquisition and various national wars over religion. This simply doesn't compare. Anyone who can't stand two words of monodeitic text has no business being in any country not completly tied to his/her home religion. Removing enough religion so that no one would have to face two words of religion would be to remove religion completely. Knowing you, you probably have no problem with that. Maybe someday you will see how important religion is in society, but untill then just recognize the fact that you are either communist or highly socialist and you have to right to consider it "a bubble of stupidity" when a moderate dissagrees with you.

Two words, agreed. So why are they required? In a country with religious freedom, why in -*BAD WORD*- must children say it or risk consequence.

Religion is important to those who need it. I am all about faith.

But they will discover it on personal time. If schools refuse to teach subjects of religion, then it should be taken completely off the venue.

Are these thoughts so outrageous?

 

Now, back to the actuall ISSUE here. I say the problem with schools is that they have become a right of passage. Its no longer a means to teach students, its something kids have to do in the process of growing up. Its the mindest of schooling that has to be changed. The "No Child Left Behind" plan chips away at this problem, when schools need to compete with each other, it makes the situation like businesses providing products. The problem is it takes several years before we know if it works or not.

Agreed

[MasterDrake]

I don't believe the pledge of alliegence has any specified god in there, (looks real hard) o wait I guess its safe to assume it means any god you believe in. I really don't remember thinking and saying and under the christian god. So quit your -*BAD WORD*-ing it can mean anyones god just because there name isn't down doesn't mean it can't be pointed toward that god.

[»Ducky]

Not every religion believes in a god. So..uhh..

What are you talking about. Take out christian and my arguement still holds.

[Greased_Lightning]

Entering late, gotta make up for lost time... I went to public school and got a good education. Granted, there does need to be more focus on current social problems on the school level (i.e. discrimination of any kind) but the parents still have to be involved. Anyone who believes that the school impacts kids' social outlook more than their parents is deluded.

 

That -*BAD WORD*- (insert 'N' word here) Bob doesn't know his head from his -*BAD WORD*-.

Joey you are a stupid ('N' word)!!

 

Parents gotta be good examples first and then the school has to reinforce the positives. I agree that there is too much regurgitation of useless facts in public schools, but skills for entering the workforce should be emphasized more in vocational schools (hence the name). In my high school we could take classes of job training or skills just not a big variety (welding, auto mechanics, marketing, computer science stuff) but that's probably cuz im a small town guy.

 

Last thing I'm gonna comment on is the Pledge of Allegiance thing. I don't know, I may be wrong but couldn't the kids just NOT say 'under God' when they say the pledge? I don't think the class will notice if 1 or 2 kids don't say it. Foreign exchange students, or course, certainly should not say the Pledge (unless they really wanted to I guess) and should not have any pressure to do so and I find it hard to believe that they would be ostracized for it (anyways, they'd be gone in like a year ). I think that they should at least stand for the Pledge out of respect...I mean everybody stands for everyone's national anthems at the Olympics don't they? (don't really know, I don't watch the Olympics cuz I don't have TV). My feeling is that if you are a citizen of this country and take advantage of the freedoms, you SHOULD have the proper degree of respect for it. If you don't, its not like anyone is putting a gun to their heads now is it? I know there is that argument that if they DON'T stand for it they will be ostracized by classmates, but what else is a kid going to feel when he/she sees someone disrespecting their country? I wouldn't like it and I doubt that many other people regardless of their nationality would either.

 

Anyways, as usual, I'm not here to force my OPINION on anyone and I'm not going to go saying "So-and-so is a F-ing idiot why dont you go and "F" yourself!" Anyone who wants to say that to me go ahead I promise my mental editing will change it to say "Hey man I dont agree but thats alright".

 

The End

[»Ducky]

*shrug* Looks valid to me, and at least the ideas are supported well instead of just saying "Because it's supposed to be like that."

 

My main issue deals with that of children who have to say those 2 little words in order to escape consequence.. If they don't (And it has been my experience to watch episodes of such.), they are kept standing until it is said properly. Whether it is a teacher mistranslation or a general problem, it should not be done.

 

One solution is to talk to teachers about it. But as my past experiences included a wide variety of such happenings with various educational icons, the problem seems deeply rooted. Just as those against my solution here, they don't believe it to be of importance.

 

Another solution is to rid the words all together. Kids are no longer pressured into saying it.

 

I am having a difficult time understanding why one solution is better than another.

Just two different ways of getting a correct result. Apparently one is communistic and what not though. Meh

[Dr.Worthless]

My main issue deals with that of children who have to say those 2 little words in order to escape consequence.. If they don't (And it has been my experience to watch episodes of such.), they are kept standing until it is said properly. Whether it is a teacher mistranslation or a general problem, it should not be done.

 

I'm not aware that this is the case. If it is I agree that no child should be required to say "under god" if they choose not to. Though I do believe children should be required to pledge allegance to the United States.

[»Ducky]

Maybe my words are too hastily typed, but thats the opinion I am trying to get across.

These things happen, although none always make a world breaking story.. They happen everyday.

It has something to do with older generations. I simply asked everyone on my Buddy list whether or not they would force a child to say it correctly. My younger peers were against it, and many of the people I talk to above 30 are for it.

Surely some exceptions were made in certain cases (foreign exchange and what not.)

 

But I concluded that school should evolve with time, and thoughts of that time.

Some might feel that it is for educational purposes alone, so children can deal with it.

If school were more comfortable, they would want to be there, and wanting to be there allows more knowledge to be attained.

[Yupa]

I think they've improved, but they still suck total !@#$%^&*.

 

I don't care if it's public or private, they all bite.