Reinstating the Draft

[Krash *17*]

This is why its so important to vote.

 

 

 

Mandatory draft/military service for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting

June 15, 2005, is something that everyone should know about. This literally

affects everyone since we all have or know children that will have to serve

if this bill passes.

 

There is pending legislation in the house and senate (companion bills: S89

and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin

as early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election. The

administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the

public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed

immediately. Visit this site http://thomas.loc.gov/ , enter in "HR 163" and

click search to bring up the bill. It is less than two pages long.

 

If this bill passes, it will include all men and all women from ages 18 - 26

in a draft for military action. In addition, college will no longer be an

option for avoiding the draft; and an agreement signed with Canada will no

longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the draft to stay within it's

borders. This bill also includes the extension of military service for all

those that are currently active. If you go to the selective service web site

and read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see that the reason for this is to

increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a critical

piece of legislation, this will effect our undergraduates, our children and

our grandchildren

 

The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system

budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15,

2005. Selective service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the

system, which has lain dormant for

decades, is ready for activation. Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004

html to view the Selective Service System annual performance plan, fiscal

year 2004.

 

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft

board position s and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is

an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members

of congress are suggesting that if

Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and

permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S. may have no

choice but to draft.

Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the

aunts and uncles, grandparents, god-parents. And let your children know -

- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

 

Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how you

feel about this legislation.

www.house.gov

www.senate.gov

 

Please share this message with all of family, friends and neighbors. This is

very important*

 

 

 

Raul Martinez Jr.

 

Coordinator, Minority Recruitment and Retention

 

1000-SAS Division

 

P.O. Box 40010

 

(517) 483-9803

[Vile Requiem]

The relevant do-*BAD WORD*-ent #1:

 

http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

 

 

Relevant Do-*BAD WORD*-ent @ Analysis (aka #2):

 

This is a SPECIAL MILITARY DRAFT alert. In May' date=' the Seattle Post Intelligencer published an article about a do-*BAD WORD*-ent they received through the Freedom of Information Act. It was revealed that the SSS is currently “designing procedures” for the implementation of a “Skills Draft” and had held a top-level meeting on it with Deputy Undersecretaries at the Defense Department. This draft would change the essential mission of the Selective Service and require “virtually every young American,” male and female ages 18–34, to register for the Skills Draft and list all the occupations they are proficient in to fill labor shortages throughout nearly the entire government. If enacted, the Skills Draft proposed in this FOI- recovered do-*BAD WORD*-ent would change America as we know it.

 

The Pentagon is suffering from immediate labor shortages. Recently, the inactive Ready Reserve had to be called up for the first time since the Gulf War to fill 5,600 job shortages in the Armed Forces. DoD said in the recent IRR callup “20% of the call-ups are truck drivers, 12% are supply specialists who can use a computer to track supplies, 10% are Humvee mechanics, 7% are administrative specialists and 6% are combat engineers” (USA Today, August 8, 2004).

 

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13 issue that Karl Rove had polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002 to see if they would support the President if he requests reinstatement. The Republicans said they would vote for the draft. They would likely support the new legislation needed to create the Skills Draft. While Bush and the Republicans are of course keeping the return of the draft and the new skills draft as quiet as possible, many anti-draft organizations have recently begun warning of a “Coming New Draft. ”

 

The Issue Paper do-*BAD WORD*-ent was revealed through the Freedom of Information Act by Seattle Post Intelligencer reporter Eric Rosenberg, who wrote a partial explanation of it that was printed May 1, 2004.

 

Rosenberg’s article was edited, however, and some key points about this do-*BAD WORD*-ent were omitted in the published article. What follows is a full explanation of the do-*BAD WORD*-ent.

 

This do-*BAD WORD*-ent is real, having been acknowledged by the DoD and the SSS when they said no action is being taken on it at the present time. However, given the current manpower shortages for certain skills and nurses, if Bush gets back in, expect all the options outlined in the Issue Paper to be implemented by the end of December of this year, and at the least a non-combat skills and medical draft to start next year, if not the male combat draft, ages 18 –25.

 

Despite Rumsfeld saying the draft is not needed, this is the same neo-con administration that has repeatedly lied to and misled the American people. Draft-age youth and their families are left looking at a “long, hard slog” in Iraq (Rumsfeld secret memo), the neo-con plans to invade still more nations, and then having to take Rumsfeld and Cheney’s word not to worry about the draft, that they “are not considering it at this time.”

 

Although official word is that this secret list of options is not being implemented—the Issue Paper options have NOT been rejected and the 6-page proposal is rather sitting in the Pentagon, waiting. In addition, the SSS itself has said that it is “designing procedures” (Seattle PI, May 1, 2004) to implement the skills draft, meaning designing the compliance cards and the data fields needed to keep track of “virtually every young American” and their skills. Acting Director of the SSS Brodsky has also said the Skills Draft is the “top priority” of the Selective Service for 2004.

 

From the FOI do-*BAD WORD*-ent, we now know that on February 11, 2003, Charles Abell, the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness, and William Carr, Deputy Undersecretary for Military Personnel Policy, met with Lewis Brodsky, the Acting Director of the Selective Service and some other officials. This is the highest-level meeting you could have about the Selective Service, outside of Rumsfeld and his inner circle. They were there to discuss the urgent “issue paper” now revealed, which starts: “With known shortages of military personnel with certain critical skills, and with the need for the nation to be capable of responding to domestic emergencies as a part of Homeland Security Planning, changes should be made in the Selective Service System’s registration program and primary mission.”

 

Although it would require changes in current draft law, the far-reaching proposal shows how far the Republicans are going to plan and prepare for a huge expansion of the draft. The Issue Paper options include:

 

    * Change the very mission of the SSS to become a massive conscription service in the War on Terror for the entire government.

    * Conscript men and women in a critical skills non-combat draft up to age 34 with no deferments of any kind, except “essential community service” (like the Medical Draft).

    * Allow a non-combat draft for shortages in critical skills, without calling a combat draft.

    * Fill labor shortages of all kinds throughout not only DoD but the whole government, especially high-paying professionals like computer networking specialist or linguist.

    * Create a massive database of “virtually every young American” ages 18 to 34. This database would be used to draft in war and to recruit in peacetime. State and even local governments would be given access to the names for recruitment and help in emergencies.

    * Create a single-point, all-inclusive database, in which every young person would be forced to send in a “self-declaration” of all of their critical skills, chosen from a long list of occupations like the Armed Forces Specialty Code. The self-declaration is similar to IRS compliance and the filling out and signing of your tax forms. All young people would be required to keep the government updated if they acquired a new skill. SSS Compliance forms will be available at every Post Office. The usual penalties of imprisonment and/or a $250,000 fine would apply to all non-registrants.

    * A draft or recruitment could be for any one of the skills you self- declare on the compliance form, not your current or primary skill. This greatly increases your chance of being drafted if you are 18–34.

    * Bring the Medical Draft (HCPDS) up to speed and fully test it through readiness exercises.

    * Reduce induction time from being able to deliver all inductees in 193 days down to just 90 days for skills inductees.

 

This secret paper urges the mission be changed “promptly,” meaning they really need it, it would draft for the Pentagon as well as the enormous Homeland Security branches as well as other government agencies, even state and local!

 

For obvious political reasons, the decision was made by Bush, Cheney and Rove to sit on this 6-page proposal until after the election in November. Yet the SSS was told to go ahead and begin “designing procedures” for the Skills Draft in 2004 and make it their “top priority.” It can be expected that if Bush gets back in, and the DoD and SSS are still asking for the Skills Draft, the “Next Steps” part of the do-*BAD WORD*-ent will be put into action and the most expansive option to change the SSS mission will be rapidly legislated.

 

In the secret planning meeting do-*BAD WORD*-ent, the next steps strongly recommended by SSS Acting Director Brodsky were:

 

1. “Promptly” redefine the SSS Mission to draft men and women up to age 34 for skills, and deliver them within 90 days or sooner to the Department of Defense. Program a massive database to be ready to enter millions of names of those registering their critical skills.

 

2. Expand mission to deliver personnel in skills draft to the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies, including FEMA, NSC, Border Patrol, INS, Customs, Corporation for National Service, Public Health Service and other federal, state and local government agencies.

 

3. Form interagency task force to provide Administration with recommendation on this skills draft for the entire DHS and the rest of the government.

 

4. Obtain White House Statement of Administration Policy on the future of the SSS.

 

5. Be prepared to market the skills draft, raising the non-combat age to 34 and the drafting of women to the Armed Services and Appropriations Committee.

 

This proposed expansion of the draft, forcing all people under 35 to register with the SSS, man or woman, is primarily proposed, according to the do-*BAD WORD*-ent, because the cost of providing contract professionals, like computer network specialists, would be “prohibitive.” In this way, the proposed Skills Draft would help preserve Bush’s massive tax cuts for the wealthy by lowering the massive budget deficits.

 

That’s the new Skills Draft and the secret do-*BAD WORD*-ent behind it. But what about the Combat Draft?

 

Selective Service has been registering young men for over twenty years and at any moment the President can go to Congress and ask them to reauthorize conscription for the male combat draft for ages 18–25. It doesn’t take much to imagine a re-elected Bush going to Congress and saying “We cannot cut and run from Iraq or the War on Terror. I need you to reauthorize conscription.”

 

And they would not have to p!@#$%^&* a whole new draft law to do it. All that is needed is a “trigger resolution,” which could be passed in the dead of night—and bingo! No debate, no regular bill, just a short resolution passed quickly and the draft for men 18 to 25 is back.

 

That is why the Democratic draft resolution being offered by Rangel and Hollings is totally irrelevant. These are known protest bills and actually propose drafting women for the combat draft, just to make sure they will never see the light of day. Rangel and Hollings offered them to raise the issue and confront Bush. Hollings even said he wouldn’t vote for his own bill!

 

They are not needed—and the press and the Republicans will bring them up as red herrings to distract everyone from what is really going on: the Republicans, and the SSS are quietly, behind the scenes, oiling up the draft machinery—getting ready to reinstate for the Spring of 2005. Taken singly, each of the clues indicating the return and expansion of the draft might seem insignificant but when you add them all up with what the Selective Service is doing to gear up the combat draft, a clear pattern emerges, leading to the inescapable conclusion that a Bush re-election will see not only a Skills Draft, but a return of the Combat Draft as well.

 

What is the proof? The government’s own do-*BAD WORD*-ent, the SSS Performance Plan for Fiscal Year 2004.

 

The Selective Service System, or the SSS, has for decades operated at a low level of readiness. Readiness Exercises are conducted on a multi-year cycle but historically these have been little more than getting draft board volunteers together and going over the procedures of what would happen under reinstatement and training new members every summer. And the draft boards themselves have become [img']http://www.ssforum.net/public/style_emoticons/default/mega_shok.gif[/img]% vacant over the decades.

 

In the current 5-year cycle of exercises, however, the SSS is clearly ramping up the draft machinery to an unprecedented level.

 

“Strategic Objective 1.2: Ensure a mobilization infrastructure of 56 State Headquarters, 442 Area Offices and 1,980 Local Boards are operational within 75 days of an authorized return to conscription.”

 

Tie that to this objective:

 

An annual report providing the results of the implementation of these performance measures will be submitted by March 31, 2005.

 

75 days from March 31, 2005 is about June 15, 2005. According to the 2004 plan, the draft boards will be “operational” then, meaning that they will be set up in 1,980 local offices around the country. If Bush asks for reinstatement on April 1, Congress could p!@#$%^&* it that night and the first batch of more than one million 20 year-olds would face the national lottery as soon as that date, June 15, 2005.

 

Here is how the $28 million is being spent according to the official do-*BAD WORD*-ent. Although the Senate rejected the funding request to bump up the SSS budget to $28 million, the SSS says in one paragraph of the Performance Plan that budgets will be “adjusted” to cover the additional cost for 2004:

 

Strategic Goal 1: Increase the effectiveness and efficiency of the Manpower Delivery Systems (Projected allocation for FY 2004: $7,942,000)

 

Strategic Goal 2: Improve overall Registration Compliance and Service to the Public (Projected allocation FY 2004: $8,769,000)

 

Strategic Goal 3: Enhance external and internal customer service (Projected allocation for FY 2004: $10 ,624,000)

 

Strategic Goal 4: Enhance the system which guarantees that each conscientious objector is properly classified, placed, and monitored. (Projected allocation for FY 2004: $955,000)

 

In analyzing each of the 2004 goals in detail it is obvious that there are hidden “activation bombs-*BAD WORD*-s” in this so-called Performance Plan. Goal number 1 in particular brings the combat induction process up to 95% operational readiness, going so far as to actually hold a mock lottery drawing this year and to issue sample orders to report for the famous medical exam. The do-*BAD WORD*-ent does not reveal the day in 2004 the mock lottery is to be held.

 

In addition, the Medical Draft, or Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS in the do-*BAD WORD*-ent), is for the first time brought up to full readiness by next year. This draft would take men and women up to age 44 if they are doctors, nurses or one of 60-some medical specialties. No medical deferments allowed. Previous readiness exercises merely went over what would happen with HCPDS and updated the guide. The 2004 plan actually develops a readiness exercise for the Medical Draft that would be conducted next year. Plus HCPDS must be ready to conscript by June, being part of the system.

 

Goal number four is particularly ominous:

 

Strategic Objective 4.1: Ensure a mobilization infrastructure of 48 Alternative Service Offices and 48 Civilian Review Boards are operational within 96 days after notification of a return to induction.

 

Strategic Objective 4.2: Develop a Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) for the Alternative Service Employer Network to specifically identify organizations and !@#$%^&*ociations who can, by law, participate in the Alternative Service Program. This network will provide jobs for ASWs at the local level. Prior to activation, SSS will develop a draft MOU for use when obtaining agreements with qualified employers at the local and national level.

 

For 31 years, the Conscientious Objector system, called the Alternative Service, has lain dormant. The 2004 plan also calls for this to be brought up to speed and to be ready to decide cases and place COs in the Alternative Service by July 6, 2005 (96 days after March 31, 2005). The SSS is even going so far as to draw up the SOPs, the Standard Operating Procedures which identify local employers eligible to receive cheap AS workers and to also draw up the actual MOU, the Memorandum of Understanding the employer must sign to get their CO workers and allow their mandatory attendance to be monitored. This is the last obstacle to be hurdled before the draft could actually be ready for quick activation under the law.

 

In sharp contrast to all this preparation for a Spring 2005 draft by Bush, Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry has proposed a military plan that rejects any draft, by adding 20,000 active duty combat soldiers and 20,000 active “reconstruction specialists.” At a Wisconsin high school, Kerry pledged in June, 2004, that the draft would be “absolutely unnecessary.” When asked in April by 130 college editors in a conference call as to whether he would support a draft, John Kerry said unequivocally: “No. No draft” and he has criticized the use of the Guard and Reserve and now the Individual Ready Reserve as a “back-door draft.”

 

Kerry plans to spend an additional $7 billion to strengthen the Volunteer Army in what is essentially a “No-Draft Plan,” Moreover, Kerry is strongly opposed to the neo-con plan revealed in Wes Clark’s book, in which Clark was told by a senior Pentagon official that invasions of Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Sudan and Somalia are still to come over the next three years.

[MasterDrake]

1. Thats BS we have so many people trying to join they are turning people away.

2. You can stilll dodge it wil college, mental probles, physical problems like back problems and asthma.

3. Only draft there has been talk of is in Iraq

[AndurilFlameoftheWest]

I for one am opposed to it, for several reasons, the main one being i dont have a will to go fight in a war, yet the draft is against the ideals of freedom and choice, people volunteer so they can fight, thats the whole idea, but if you force someone into doing something that isnt what they want to do its not good for the moral of the war or whatever, wise man Confucious said, " Whereever you go go with all your heart" If that -*BAD WORD*- of a president is so blind to see that he has millions upon millions who protest, yet puts them into a situation that dangers their lives, itd just be another example of how blind sighted he is to everything. He seems to be blind to the fact of 1000 soldiers losing their life yet its important to stay the course, what course is there in iraq, everyday new generations are being inspired to be antiamerican, its a never ending process you cant terminate it. He's screwed us over in the war in Iraq. Instead of liberating more and more are trying to botch it up, more and more are joining the Ossama Jihad. No weapons, no real unification, its the government is a puppet show, and it furthers Ossama bin ladens claim that We as "infidels" are controlling more and more of the middle east, He is all but forgotten, but still the most popular figure over there, a million times more popular than George Bush is. This idea of liberating has good intentions maybe but if to them, a few well placed words and we have growing enemies each day So unless we get a new president, who knows where the -*BAD WORD*- bush will put us at next, If he thins out the troops and spreads them apart he shouldnt, but hes such a moron that he probably will reinstate the draft. But i tell ya, i really dont think theres a chance of it surviving for a few reasons,

1. He already said he wasn't going too

2. If he does do it, there would be so much chaos in America and people would lynch him because then it would truly echo the vietnam war.

3. His daughters would have to serve....yep thats right, no preferential treatment this time George, and other politicians.

4. The whole administration has denied it, now if you go back on that word that was given to the whole public, and screw thousands and thousands of people, he would be impeached. The draft is an outdated idea now and it would only rehash old sentiments of the past, and you cant recreate the WW 2 days, Warfare is completely different, and more dangerous.

5. John Kerry. If he is elected which i hope to God he is, the draft will be a non issue and will encourage volunteerism by giving more rewards to those who join, and frankly the foreign community is probably sick and tired of ol George, and will be invigorated with a new leader, and be more inclined to join and help, he would also involve the UN, and would not push world help away.

 

In closing, this is all about the votes. This is a post that wont reach very many, i would like for it to meet a ton of voters just to change their mind. I mean i would like to be alive and intact and able to get married and live the life that i want to live. The man we want is still walking free. He killed 3000 innocent lives on our own soil. How our president, even consider going to war with another nation, when they had nothing to do with 9/11? How is it that afghanistan is the "forgotten war" when it was supposed to be the War of revenge for all of those lives. Ossama declared War on us. He wrote out a declaration of jihad to Americans. Saddam just happened to be a tyrant scapegoat who george's daddy couldnt snuff out. So you choose, if you can challenge 1000 lives lost to a war which has changed themes, be my guest. Vote Kerry. Nuff said.

[»Rowen]

The only pro of military service drafted is the people who oppose it non-violently will be more effected because they were trained for violence. Learned that in class; woot.

 

Another thing; Edwards told a West Virginian Grandmother (State I am from) if they are elected there will be no draft.

 

Rather than go on a long tangent... To put things in short, I am ready for sit ins and ideals from vietnam protests to come back and will help where I can.

[Guest Recombo]

Drafting people who don't want to be there is bad. However, many countries around the world have an active draft. I'm sure that there will be plenty of stipulations for those who care not to join.

[Dr.Worthless]

AndurilFlameoftheWest Wowza, its been a long long time since ive read a fine piece of liberal political propaganda such as that, congratulations. Some of your points were valid, but they were stiffled by the bashing and unsubstancialized claims that plague the left this election.

[Guest Recombo]

Another thing; Edwards told a West Virginian Grandmother (State I am from) if they are elected there will be no draft.

 

Edwards is a trial lawyer. And Kerry told the whole world (that's grandmothers x 50 million) that he supported war in Iraq. Two weeks later he changed his story because it looked bad on his campaign trail.

[BeWaRe]

Air Power!

[Aileron]

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MORONS!!!!

 

 

This is the proposal:

 

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

 

The bill includes stuff about improving the efficiencies of the draft...but the real purpose of the bill is to allow the Selective Service to draft women. Its the classical "should women be drafted" proposal!

 

And this bill wasn't "tucked under the elections" as you said...it started on January 7, 2003

 

Since you are going to ask for it, here is the link:

HR 163

[Greased_Lightning]

"Error in at line 242 in query.c"

 

Wow that explains it all

 

Seriously though, I don't think the draft is a good thing because you're going to get a lot of !@#$%^&*ty troops who don't want to be there. But since I'm planning to join after college the topic is moot for me. If a draft were started before I graduated, I'd join right away to avoid being drafted into the Army, Navy or (shudders) Air Force.... GO MARINES!!!

[BeWaRe]

Bullet catcher.

[Aileron]

hmm...my link doesn't seem to work...just do what Krash said.

 

Don't worry - there won't be a draft, the US army doesn't function that way. We simply don't have the manpower (draft or not) to have a cannon fodder style military. The US military compensates for this by producing quality troops and giving them quality equipment. The Army wouldn't even be helping themselves by forcing weak morons to join.

 

Espcially not in the current political climate, where every American casualty makes the front page. A large army of idiots suffers more casualties than a small army of 1337ness.

 

 

But yeah, this bill is about drafting women. They also make the point about drafting skilled persons...only because that is the only practical reason why you might want to draft women.

[MasterDrake]

"Error in at line 242 in query.c"

 

Wow that explains it all 

 

Seriously though, I don't think the draft is a good thing because you're going to get a lot of !@#$%^&*ty troops who don't want to be there.  But since I'm planning to join after college the topic is moot for me.  If a draft were started before I graduated, I'd join right away to avoid being drafted into the Army, Navy or (shudders) Air Force.... GO MARINES!!!

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Marines suck !@#$%^&* Navy owns them

[»Ducky]

The Army wouldn't even be helping themselves by forcing weak morons to join.

Aye, NOT dying seems to be quite the moronic way to live life.

[Forkloo]

1. Thats BS we have so many people trying to join they are turning people away.

2. You can stilll dodge it wil college, mental probles, physical problems like back problems and asthma.

3. Only draft there has been talk of is in Iraq

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I'm guessing he isn't big on politics.

 

 

Bush is trying to do it that way he can start imperialism back up.

 

Look back 100 years to the turn of the century, it's EXACTLY like it was then. Bush is putting monopolists into the government, well not really bush, Cheney really. The draft would just be the first thing bush would do to drive this country into the hole.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets child labor laws turned back over.

 

"Ma, Pa, i gotsa go back to work in the mine *cough cough* I think i've got the black lung"

[Aileron]

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you people are crazy!

 

Some congressman suggests women be drafted, you mentally turn that proposal into people trying to reinstate the draft, and now you are thinking Bush wants to take away child labor laws?

 

Buy some medication. I can't argue inside your wierd little view of the world.

 

I can't vote for Kerry though....he will without a doubt bring back prohibition and make slavery legal again.

[MasterDrake]

Of course aileron !!! And bush gives me pay raises

[Dr.Worthless]

A simple case of the liberals trying to stir up trumped up information.

 

I remember when the war first started and this e-mail was circulated around. It eventually died away because everyone realized how utterly stupid it was. Now that the election is close the liberals have dug it up again and started circulating it.

 

There won't be a draft, come back to earth.

[Dr.Worthless]

Draft bill defeated

 

Don't worry you liberal media -*BAD WORD*-s, the dreaded bill that was going to re-instate a draft was defeated about an hour ago. Ironically, the Bill was drafted by a Democrat..

 

All of you can rest easy.. Hitler isn't going to draft you to go kill children.

 

[talion]

I recall some time ago a D introducing a bill to reinstate the draft as a way of stirring up public response to the war as a "this is where we're headed under Bush" kinda thing.

 

Is this perhaps the same bill, or did I huff too much paint todya?

[»Ducky]

Draft bill defeated

 

Don't worry you liberal media -*BAD WORD*-s, the dreaded bill that was going to re-instate a draft was defeated about an hour ago. Ironically, the Bill was drafted by a Democrat..

 

All of you can rest easy.. Hitler isn't going to draft you to go kill children.

 

GG, we win. Now lets pretend the national debt doesn't exist and get on with our lives.

[Aileron]

Hey, keep in mind that the domestic debates haven't happened yet. When they do, I'm sure the deficit will be discussed.

 

 

This whole thing is an example of politics at its worst. The possibility of a draft is a fabricated issue. The military doesn't want or need draftees, the quality/personelle ratio is higher without the draft. In many ways, our military is more effective leaving people at home than drafting them.

 

This bill was made and carried by Democrats. As I pointed out earlier, the origional purpose of it was to put women in the draft. They changed it into a proposal of draft, and blamed Bush for it.

 

There is a serious problem with the Democrats in congress. They aren't serving our country, but spending their time writing anti-Bush books and making these kind of proposals.

[Vile Requiem]

ROFL

 

Nobody in the Congress is a moron, and who in their right mind would expect a Draft Bill to be ratified NOW? It's political suicide to vote for it.

 

aka they brought the bill up so the issue gets media coverage (Which is something a LOT of senators/congressmen do), and it obviously worked

 

The PDF I link to originally however is the Selective Service, and they ARE in a position to do something.

 

Bush can NOT continue his policy of preemptive war without a draft. We're stretched thin as it is. Or do you think them recalling 60 year olds to go to Iraq doesn't mean something?

 

(Oh, and because my Kreskin like powers sense the word "Clinton" coming up in the next 2 posts: Cheney cut more of the military budget as Sec. of Defense then Clinton ever did as President. Facts Suck. Ironically, this is the site Mr. Cheney was refering to yesterday to prove his case, except he used .com instead of .org :\ )

[Yupa]

Nobody in the Congress is a moron

...you are !@#$%^&*ing ignorant