picano2.0 Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Yeah... I hate em... who else does?
Bounty Huntress Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Lame >.> 1) Lanc shouldn't be able to keep up with wb.. 2) Who asked for changes.. 3).. I can't think of 3 yet... 4) HS was perfect before...
HypnoticKirby Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Bah,Not good sets.The only thing that is probably good is spider rotation. yay rotation!
Bounty Huntress Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Okay, yeah.. I like the thrust on terrier.. but levi bombs are way overpowered.. it feels like it's near unlimited prox.. and.. spiders.. with.. single barrels???? That makes no sense seeing as how spider is supposed to be able to obliterate in closed areas..
Boldot Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 omg, wb is supposed to be nimble and quick, and the lev is way worse than the old jav was, and the lanc speeding past a wb? wtf? seriously, were you even thinking?
Shrop Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 I hate jav in any form, mostly cuase of rocketer bombers..-*BAD WORD*-s
Bounty Huntress Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 My suggestion: PUT BACK OLD SETTINGS. Then make an arena with THESE settings.. then have people go there, and let them say what they like or dislike about them..
Bounty Huntress Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Update: Warbird - I WANT MY CLOAK. Javelin - No comment as of yet. Spider - Single-barrel just doesn't fit it. Leviathan - Too strong.. too much bounce and too little energy cost.. too much prox as well. Terrier - Great. Thrust owns. Guns good. Weasel - Don't have one; haven't seen one used yet. Lanc - Too fast and too little energy. Flags - 30 seconds?!?!? WTF. No. EDIT: Antideath - Takes too long for you to see enemy again.. yet they can still shoot at you.
Lanvalk Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Yay! Terrier is GOOD! Since it's my flagship, I don't have any other comments ^_^
picano2.0 Posted September 23, 2004 Author Report Posted September 23, 2004 Thanks for the support lan >.>Â ---vive le resistance---(the special e appears as japanese characters for me...)[/size][/color]
Dav Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 the balance problem is alot worse, a shark has no chance and only levis seem to be effective agains levis. Old sets were alot better.
Animate Dreams Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 This zone is now Super Ships with cash. Does anything else need to be said? Stupid settings, but 10X stupider to pop them in without testing them first publicly, like the beta arena. Luckily, it doesn't bother me, since I so rarely play.
a n00b. Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 whoa what? what the -*BAD WORD*- am i missing here...
Dav Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 This zone is now Super Ships with cash. Does anything else need to be said? Stupid settings, but 10X stupider to pop them in without testing them first publicly, like the beta arena. Luckily, it doesn't bother me, since I so rarely play.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>i agree, i also dont like seeing the sets change whilst we are all playing, one min the lev had max l2gun then l1.
HypnoticKirby Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 whoa what? what the -*BAD WORD*- am i missing here...<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Â Your missing chaos.Lancs go faster than warbirdsLevis rule allSpider has m!@#$%^&* rotationetc
FunkmastaD Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Well isn't this filled with happy thoughts  Wb is fine with only l1 bombs and slightly more speed Jav is not the l3 + prox -*BAD WORD*- ship that it was, but it's still effective, contrary to what people say. Spid has a nice speed and rotation boost, but its bullet ROF has been slowed and it had become a single barreled ship. It could use the bullets that the Terr has, start with double barrel and multi adds the 3rd stream. Levi has downgraded bullets severly and increased bombs to the other extreme. The bombs have a seemingly endless bounce, a massive prox radius, and a very large shrap number. The bomb just needs a level downgrade to lvl2 max, and the bullets could become lvl2 also. The bouncing bomb option should be disabled so that they bounce at most 2 times but even that is a lot. Terr has become faster in speed and ROF which actually makes the high class ship wantable again, also an energy drop makes it killable again. Weasels are slow and with l1 gun and l2 bomb is still effective as a decent ship, it has a larger amount of energy. Lanc has gone insane with speed now, someone said "It's like a wb on crack" The capital ship needs a speed decrease, and a large energy increase. The ship does need to drop its weapon capability to lvl 1 max gun and bomb. This ship should be only used for ship transport really. The Shark's double barrelled gun makes using the basic beginner ship much easier. So the good improvements in my opinion are to the WB, spider, terr, weasel and sharks. The Jav, Levi and Lanc are in need of adjustmentsAlso the antideath is causing invisible respawned ships
Lanvalk Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Ok, after EXTENSIVE testing of every niche, nook, cranny, and corner of the ship settings with a copious grant from another mod (all new ships I bought were sold, and all remaining cash was de-granted by a different mod), I have decided to put new input on our shipsets. Note, all ships, except when noted, can only have XRadar, Stealth, and Antiwarp for Specials, they don't have Cloak. SHIP1: I like the new speed... can't really say anything else, I only use a 20bty warbird at any point in time, so there's no problem with my current one. Oh, and 1250 energy ^_^. As for the Specials, it can only have Xradar. SHIP2: Well, it's now the perfect bomb sniper... minus quite a few things. It's a little too fast. Also, the bomb RoF is too slow for it. It's like TW's warbird, except with a slower bomb that doesn't instantly kill. Add to that the weaker bombs, and it's kinda crap. I like the no-bounce in exchange for bombspeed, though. If you just tweaked the bomb RoF a bit, it'd be awesome. It lays mines faster than it shoots, for goodness' sake! SHIP3: If this owned before, it hits as hard, if not harder, now. As the only ship capable of having L3 bombs and L3 guns, some will find it a very multi-tasking ship. It only has single barrels now, but it gets less drain from guns, though recharge is slower. Energy is ok, too. It also can cloak. Ninja would be proud of this ship if he ever played again. I think it's the only ship that's equivalent to its predecessor. SHIP4: You'd get the same effect from many other zones. In the past, HS was one of the only zones where the lev wasn't the most physically powerful bomber. Now, it joins their ranks. Infinite bounce with huge prox and WAY MORE SHRAP THAN YOU'LL EVER NEED leads to crazy bomblining and bomb-spraying. The center is a minefield, except in Soviet HS, Mine runs into you! (that sucked...) It really needs a tone down... SHIP5: I LOVE YOU! My flagship is now an uber ship. You see, now the terrier has mobility. It has mobility, as well as a higher RoF than before, combined with high recharge makes it an awesome ship. It's pathetic bombs now stay at L1, but your ability to move makes them useful, still. Keep this change. SHIP6: Levi and Weasel were slightly weak before, and now the Levi was supped up. Was the Weasel? Not as much, but still much better. It has ridiculous movement, and EMP bombs do slightly much nicer damage. It can also cloak. Bomb has no recoil! It may seem insignificant, but it's mighty useful for it. It also has a WHOPPING 3k energy with a very nice recharge. Only downside: It used to be a mining ship. Now it can't mine for fish, due to high mine energy drain, slow mining RoF, and only 10 shrap. SHIP7: Capital Ship: A ship which is big and ferries other ships. HS Lancaster: Bounty Huntress> a warbird on steroidsIt's big, it's powerful, but it's FAST, FIRES FAST, and OWNS. In a bad way, though. If it weren't for the even more over-powered Levs, Lancs would be the ship of choice. The old Lanc is much more... balanced. SHIP8: Double barrels. 'Nuff said. OVERALL:Keep the following as the new changes:SHIP1, SHIP5, SHIP8Put this back to its old settings:SHIP7Doesn't matter, either setting works:SHIP3Needs slight tweaking:SHIP2Needs extreme work:SHIP4, SHIP6 I'd have more suggestions, but I'm going to sleep now. That, and I figure, if these are my last days, might as well try and give my opinion.
nikegurl637 Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Okay, I wasn't here to test them, but from people's descriptions, it sounds bad.Don't do a sudden change like that without beta-ing it first o.o;
chocko_cc Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Down with the new sets i say! Down with them!
nikegurl637 Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Alright, now that HS is back up and I actually saw the new sets...I think they suck. Sorry Brain. Lanc speed is ridiculous, Levi bounce is ridiculous anddd... generally I believe the old sets were better. Also: flag time is 30 seconds, better fix that quickly, or else a bunch of people will be getting easy cash. There were 2 balls, but I removed one. Obtaining a flag again boosts you up a level. Agh. Better fix those things soon o.O And if you really want to use these sets, we should have a reset for it to be fair. AND OMG! Holding down shift on my Lanc makes me go faster than using a rocket. Er... WHAT?!
chocko_cc Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Looks like Brain aint getting one good word for doing this (oh maybe from lan). At least he's got the guts to do this and i hope he has the guts to change it back :\
nikegurl637 Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Brain's tough, he can handle the criticism. =P
Dr Brain Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 Thanks Funk, Lan and Nike for the helpful replies. I should put a tweak in either this morning or this afternoon.
a n00b. Posted September 23, 2004 Report Posted September 23, 2004 wow... im lost... is the change still in effect? (btw bring back unkillable terr!)
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