Working middle class

[Guest Recombo]

After I read some of the crap that Vile Requiem posted including his links, I had to step in and put some rationale on this bickering between Kerry and Bush.

 

Most kids, let's consider them under 30, would most likely vote for Kerry because of their lack of understanding how things work in the USA. It's not that they have no clue, but most of the democrats I've heard on talk radio and other 'reasonable' sources do little more than point fingers at the way things are - they rarely have valid solutions to the problems.

 

However, having read Kerry's tax reform 'promise' I am sure that I've never read a more unrational and ill-constructed thoughtless trash.

 

His reform promises to relieve the middle class of more than 10% of their current burden, lower the corporate tax by 5% and somehow get all the US firms to stop using overseas labor. While most large firms already sell products at razor thin profits, Kerry is going to 'request' that these firms stop using overseas labor? HAHA. Get real. Those firms will reposition their headquarters in overseas locations where it is more cost effective. Lowering the middle class tax burden? I suppose we just won't pay the US Armed forces. Oh wait - doesn't he want to INCREASE military support operations? On what grounds - with enlistments that dropped since Clinton's era, there is no chance of Increasing support. Or maybe he will do away with the military - flip/flop. He's really trying to appease people as you can see fellas.

 

Kerry's plans are so full of holes. This is why the man is inconsistent with his promises.

 

The truth of the matter here is this people, you cannot simply cut out taxes, reduce the military, and hope that people will fill in the cracks. Lefties don't work hard - they don't work at all (probably one of the reasons that most of the crack-pot liberals here don't have jobs - they don't try hard.) As for you foreigners having thoughts about this, spare us - your whining is little more than that - whining. No one cares about your stupid countries, go home, be silent, and enjoy your country which must be flawless since you have so much time to -*BAD WORD*- about ours.

 

Oh - btw, if you think that the Al-qaeda is simply a 'rebel-alliance' go back to your life in Disney World. Or wait, maybe since the USA is the source of all terrorist actions, why did Russia have all those Al-qaeda actions over the past two weeks? Think before you accuse Americans you fools.

[»Ducky]

*Chuckle*

You got lost in a rant barely suited for 2nd grade history.

Was there to be a valid point anywhere among all that jibberish?

[Guest Recombo]

You inspire me ducky. Feel free to continue the self-righteous slander my friend.

[»Ducky]

Happens to be very well suited towards your distasteful views that lack merit.

[Guest Recombo]

Distasteful. Hmmm, well, agreed I'm not one to vote for Kerry....so if that was what you meant, fair enough.

 

Lacking merit? lol, I suppose you want my support of a nominee who apparently doesn't know up from down. I just watched Kerry claiming that President Bush has no agenda other than oil and that he has never in four year had an alternative energy plan. Since his first State of the Union address, Bush has sought to find alternative means to the gas guzzlers we have. This is backed by the number of both import and domestic hybrid automobiles running today - a fundamental idea that Bush pushed and won.

 

Then Kerry says he wants to 'save' your social security. He's clearly trying to appease the uninformed. Kerry's plans are full of holes. If he's going to try to save social security, he will have to raise the social security tax the employed pay because on the flip side, this nominee is telling you he will cut middle class taxes 10%! The numbers just don't work. That man is simply trying to get your vote by making you afraid of change, and telling you tall tales of an agenda which will crumble faster than the speed at which Monica Lewinsky left the back door of the oval office.

 

Your ball.

[Vile Requiem]

It takes more then 3 years to R&D a new car concept as radical as engines.

 

Sorry, but if this point goes to anyone it goes to Clinton.

 

Plus, NOBODY knows WTF Bush's administration did on energy. Cheney had secret meetings (an "Energy Task Force") that the records are still "classified" despite attempts to view them. Get your facts straight man.

[»Ducky]

My main concerns are over your post in general. So be it that some plans are flawed, I am just having a hard time recalling all the wonderful **NEW** fullproof plans that Bush is pushing onto the table that you neglected to mention. Both candidates are given too much credit for nothing.

 

You created a topic with the intent to rant about a candidate 'generally', without even 10 points of interest. Reply to another topic already started with your opinion instead of making cookie cutter posts. The reasoning behind my first reply was simple enough.

What is the point of you talking if all you wanted to do was make someone look bad.

 

To further increase the public lack of care, you flamed foreign posters for little shown reason. It has always been my understanding that an outside perspective is needed in any arguement.

 

This is not a trash talk board where you are encouraged to tell people off before they make themselves known. I felt it necessary to speak up about your rudeness in the manner I had.

 

Oh well, no real harm done. On the other hand, you provided no new point of conversation either. If anything can be said on the topic, it would be this.

"Soldiers out of Iraq will lead to decreased spending. Noting that decreased spending will make Kerry look good and like he actually did something. Killing the deficeit won't happen in the next 20 years, so that isn't a problem of his. Bush gets to have all the fun, Kerry gets to pretend like he is sweeping it up, and everyone is happy for the next 8 or so years until they realized nothing was changed."

Reality

[Guest Recombo]

Are you clear on Bush reform policies, or should we review? Aren't you confusing valid arguments with your potential apathetic stance?

 

Why have you condemned my thread. There is no reason not to start a thread and name it whatever I feel appropriate. Surely someone with over 4000+ posts has little ground to tell others what to do here.

 

With regards to this thread - my point was to shed some rationale against the numerous propoganda sites that Vile Requiem calls 'truth'. There are many kids here who can easily be persuaded to think one way or another and may have trouble determining what the truth really is.

[Vile Requiem]

I know for a fact most of the sites Dr. Worthless uses have a RNC insignia somewhere on them...thus they're obviously slanted.

 

Where were we again?

 

Oh yes, my "propoganda".

 

Let's review:

 

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082204Y.shtml

Written by a Vietnam Veteran who was there with Kerry. I don't know how that qualifies as propoganda, but whatever.

 

http://www.greenbaynewschron.com/page.html?article=126763

F the rest of this article, I sourced the following:

 

To say that Bush, himself, never said anything bad about McCain is to overlook that he did not admit that his campaign supporters wrongly suggested that McCain had fathered an illegitimate child. To say this was fair or morally acceptable because pollsters only asked a hypothetical question is to live a lie.

 

to attempt to prove my point in an earlier thread.

 

 

 

Let's see, THIS is blatent campaign finance fraud:

http://mightyspork.blogspot.com/2004/08/fl...-swiftboat.html

 

And OMG, A PROPOGANDA SITE! OH NO!

http://216.239.57.104/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-...gle+Searchbr%20

Oh wait, that's Bush's very own website. Propoganda against Kerry sure. Won't deny that one.

 

 

Last time I checked, CBS News isn't propoganda:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/20/...ain601336.shtml

 

 

Details about the RNC, Not Propoganda:

http://www.nydailynews.com/08-20-2004/news...5p-192424c.html

 

 

Campaign Positions and thus Anti-Propoganda:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/tax_reform.pdf

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/middle_class.html

 

 

OMG, A REPORTER REPORTING WHAT OCCURED:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/30/politics...5089f2b&ei=5070

 

 

mmm...waffles:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file...&type=printable

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.htm...143&sid=5096629

 

 

Reading is propoganda:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/9584265.htm

 

And Look, Propogandistic Links ABOUT the propoganda:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...udis-bush_x.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s072403.html

Including of all things, a SENATE CONVERSATION LOG! HOLY -*BAD WORD*-!

 

 

But Like I said, this is where Dr. Got his vote record, which isn't wrong, but is obviously biased as -*BAD WORD*-:

http://www.kerryquotes.com/index.html

http://www.kerryquotes.com/votingrecord.htm

 

 

 

Now, considering as you're just been handed your own -*BAD WORD*-, I suggest you use it to sit on your hands and stop slandering those you disagree with.

[Vile Requiem]

And look, here's more propoganda straight from the Military:

 

#1000 is officially dead. http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualt...rt=20040910.txt

[»Ducky]

Are you clear on Bush reform policies, or should we review? Aren't you confusing valid arguments with your potential apathetic stance?

Yeup.. Pretty up to date on his stances also. *looks again* Just as silly as Kerry's. Imagine that.

 

Why have you condemned my thread. There is no reason not to start a thread and name it whatever I feel appropriate. Surely someone with over 4000+ posts has little ground to tell others what to do here.

Understood how seniority gives me no right. Wait... no, I don't.

 

With regards to this thread - my point was to shed some rationale against the numerous propoganda sites that Vile Requiem calls 'truth'. There are many kids here who can easily be persuaded to think one way or another and may have trouble determining what the truth really is.

People who have a hard time distinguishing between fiction and reality don't need to vote. Too much emphasis on "being heard" when 1/2 the population should have little right to voice opinion. We don't need a teacher attempting to show us mistakes from his point of view. We don't need someone turning a discussion board into a flame session on his first post. Nor do we need stereotypes of any sorts that you threw down on the table on your first post. You expect to be listened to, conversed with in a fair manner and even acknowledged for your views, but you ruined any chance of credibility by acting stupid and telling everyone off.

[Guest Recombo]

Just because my posts don't suit your needs, doesn't mean they aren't credible, viable posts. Apathy ruins a political discussion ducky. You'll be here forever trying to tell me what i can and cannot write, while steaming about. Spare yourself. You don't agree, that's fine. Feel free to interject with political opposition - that's what these boards are for.

 

Yes, people are definitely reading.

[»Ducky]

Apathy is just another side to discussion you have yet to accept.

 

The only to actively reply was that of someone you named which you chose to currently dismiss and instead focus attention on me.

Most others have only looked at the thread to read the now silly banters back and forth between us both.

 

I made my political statement and chose to elaborate on key points of your post psychologically.

You chose to tell us that apples are better suited than oranges, because oranges have rough skins and are acidic. But you have yet to say why the apple is superior.

"Oh, you don't know why?" isn't a persuasive arguement.

I called your post silly because of it. Live and let die.

[Dr.Worthless]

While I agree that the website I got those voting records from is slanted, its hard as -*BAD WORD*- to slant a voting record Vile. Infact, You cant. There was a bill and Kerry voted Yea or Nae, its all in the records and pretty much impossible to slant without flat out lieing.

 

I just want to point out that while some of those links are credible, others are laughable.

 

Let's see, THIS is blatent campaign finance fraud:

http://mightyspork.blogspot.com/2004/08/fl...-swiftboat.html

 

You want to call a blog un-biased and un-slanted?

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082204Y.shtml

Written by a Vietnam Veteran who was there with Kerry. I don't know how that qualifies as propoganda, but whatever.

 

HuH? truthout.org? Its in the same boat as moveon.org.

 

All of the newspapers listed were likely folks that write with a left slant. Not that its a bad thing, but its impossible to write an article without an opinionated slant in it, especially during election year.

[Vile Requiem]

The truthout article is a Chicago Tribune article. I linked to TO because CT is registration required, and that notta coo

 

The blog has the picture that has the little thing called Evidence on it

[Aileron]

Hey truthout.org was made for a purpose. The purpose was to get Kerry to outcry against it, so Bush can slam back about moveon.org. Seriously, a third of Kerry's funding comes from moveon.org. If Kerry were to try to take organizations like truthout.org out of the election, he would absolutely screw his chances for the election.

 

So, expect to see a lot more truthout.orgs.

 

 

 

Simply put Kerry does not support WORKING class Americans, he supports welfare class Americans.

[MasterDrake]

and MD hates those -*BAD WORD*-ing welfare using sleeps with motherss

[»Ducky]

The majority of those welfare using mother -*BAD WORD*-ers need it.

[MasterDrake]

not in the state of minnesota I was speaking of the abusers ducky

[Aileron]

What I don't get is the logic then that we need illegal immigrants to do the jobs "no American wants to do." Look, send the immigrants back to whereever they came from until the come in by LEGAL means, and give whatever job they were doing to those who are on welfare.

[»Ducky]

In the case of general applicants of welfare, they can't work in the first place

[Yupa]

Bush and Kerry both suck, now stfu

[Aileron]

Those who are unable to work are not considered welfare abusers.

[»Ducky]

But you didn't state welfare abusers