Aileron Posted September 3, 2004 Report Posted September 3, 2004 I just thought about something regarding the protesters that surrounded the GOP convention in NY. As all of you know, the only thing standing in the way of the polic rounding them up and sending them to prison for 90 years is the first amendment, which grants all citizens the right to !@#$%^&*embly. What's odd is what they are protesting. They are protesting the GOP's right to !@#$%^&*emble. Maybe we should repeal the First Amendment and execute them for stupidity.
Bacchus Posted September 3, 2004 Report Posted September 3, 2004 Then you probably should pray for the first amendement to be back online when the judge will be looking at your file.
Vile Requiem Posted September 4, 2004 Report Posted September 4, 2004 Speaking of stupidity... Guliani said September 11th 16+ times in his speech The Republicans have expolited it on numerous occasions (like when Bush used 9/11 images in a campaign ad a few months back). New Yorkers logically don't want to see it expolited. WTF did you think was going to happen, NYers would throw roses at their feet?
MasterDrake Posted September 4, 2004 Report Posted September 4, 2004 protestors need to look there information up before they go protesting
50% Packetloss Posted September 4, 2004 Report Posted September 4, 2004 You people really need to get some vitamin P, -*BAD WORD*--nanny.
Hackysack Posted September 4, 2004 Report Posted September 4, 2004 The protests are completely stupid and pointless. The protests don't change anyones opinions on who they're going to vote for. All it does it get people arrested. I was listening to the news and I beleive it said over people were arrested throughout new york for protesting. See I dont have a problem with protesting if people do it safely and peacefully, but theses people are blocking streets and keep police busy BABYSITTING them. Dont you think that this election has potential for another terrorist attack? Wouldn't you think that this would be a prime time for terrorist to have another attack? So I say, lock all the -*BAD WORD*- protesers up in 1 big place where they can protest all they want. ^_^
Bacchus Posted September 4, 2004 Report Posted September 4, 2004 hey, ain't it a novel idea!!? wow i'm flabbergasted! Then you'll have a potential for a couple of 10th thousands more haters! good idea, then maybe we could have this revolution, no? Same thing for terrorists! just nuke the frikkin world while your at it and lock all protestors in one big arena. Now, THAT is social engeneering! EEHH *-*BAD WORD*-ing* AAWW! c'mon tiger, go get'em.
Vile Requiem Posted September 4, 2004 Report Posted September 4, 2004 Perhaps you guys can explain to me how to pen up half a million people in NYC. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/30/politics.../30protest.html For that many people, the number of arrests is amazingly low (.000016%).
Petrajs_Killer Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Some of those protesters were using sex to further their agenda. Did anyone see the group of chicks that were selling really short-shorts? If you can ignore the b.s. that's written on them, it's so hot....
Dr.Worthless Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Heh, the protesters were largely out of state and admitedly anarchist groups. The majority of them were peaceful yes, though there were alot of instances that they were not. As far as the 9/11 -*BAD WORD*- goes, IMO the president did a wonderful job rallying and leading the country during that time. Why should he NOT point that out. Should FDR not have pointed out his WWII performance, or how about Eisenhower. How about Teddy Rosevelt and the Spanish-American war.. etc etc etc. Under that thinking, Kerry sure as -*BAD WORD*- shouldn't be pointing out his Vietnam experience. Nearly 2 million people were killed during US involvement in that conflict...
Vile Requiem Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 FDR died before WWII ended, thus it's blatently obvious that it happened under his watch. Bush used 9/11 inapproperately twice: Once trying to make the clamor for a 9/11 Comission go away, and the second time to go to war with Iraq, which now no longer has any excuse seeing as all it's doing is being the #1 Al-Queda recruiting tool. Oh, and that OTHER country we invaded, we now only control Kabul, the Taliban is back in a big way. GREAT, AMAZING track record in the war on terror, I must say. Scoreboard: Wars Bush has lost: Afganistan (and Iraq isn't looking pretty, so let's call it 1.5) Wars the US has lost before Bush: 1 (Vietnam)
Dr.Worthless Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Oh, and that OTHER country we invaded, we now only control Kabul, the Taliban is back in a big way. GREAT, AMAZING track record in the war on terror, I must say. Scoreboard: Wars Bush has lost: Afganistan (and Iraq isn't looking pretty, so let's call it 1.5) Wars the US has lost before Bush: 1 (Vietnam) Wow, Vile.. trying to explain something to a liberal propoganda spounge really is impossible. In a country the size of afganistan.. all the Taliban has to do is disperse into the population, then come back at select times. WE ARE NOT FIGHTING A CONVENTIONAL WAR, WE ARE FIGHTING AN IDIOLOGY THAT IF WE DO NOT STOP IT WILL KILL AS MANY AMERICAN CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE. Wake up, seriously.
Bacchus Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 WE ARE NOT FIGHTING A CONVENTIONAL WAR, WE ARE FIGHTING AN IDIOLOGY THAT IF WE DO NOT STOP IT WILL KILL AS MANY AMERICAN CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE. ok, let's chew at that one step at a time: AND WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WANT TO KILL AMERICANS IN THE FIRST PLACE? IT'S NOT MAGIC YOU KNOW, TERRORISTS DON'T GROW IN CABBAGES! NO ONE WANTS A LIFE THAT WILL END WITH BOOM! YOU MUST ADMIT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE VERY DESPERATE TO HAVE 5 POUNDS OF C4 SCOTCH TAPED TO YOUR CHEST TO MAKE A POINT!! WHY THEN ARE THEY DOING IT? WHY DO THEY WANT TO DIE KILLING AMERICANS AND THEIR FRIENDS AND TO MAKE US AFRAID? WHY? DO YOU HAVE THE FAINSTEST IDEA?
Dr.Worthless Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 ok, let's chew at that one step at a time: AND WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WANT TO KILL AMERICANS IN THE FIRST PLACE? IT'S NOT MAGIC YOU KNOW, TERRORISTS DON'T GROW IN CABBAGES! NO ONE WANTS A LIFE THAT WILL END WITH BOOM! YOU MUST ADMIT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE VERY DESPERATE TO HAVE 5 POUNDS OF C4 SCOTCH TAPED TO YOUR CHEST TO MAKE A POINT!! WHY THEN ARE THEY DOING IT? WHY DO THEY WANT TO DIE KILLING AMERICANS AND THEIR FRIENDS AND TO MAKE US AFRAID? WHY? DO YOU HAVE THE FAINSTEST IDEA? Heh, im sure to a frenchy its because America is evil encarnate. My answer is, I don't know.
Bacchus Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Are you serious? Tell me you aren't... Wow, you're having all those ideas about why USa should have an army, about the fact that people wants you dead, you see protestors everywhere, you heard about anti-americanism...and you never asked yourself why?
Dr.Worthless Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Are you serious? Tell me you aren't... Wow, you're having all those ideas about why USa should have an army, about the fact that people wants you dead, you see protestors everywhere, you heard about anti-americanism...and you never asked yourself why?Sure i've got an opinion as to why, but I don't know their reasoning for it. My opinion.. All of the third world countries blame us for their situations. If they live in a poverty stricken area, it must be the US's fault. No food? US fault. Etc,etc,etc. When there's a really powerful en!@#$%^&*y out in the world, and X person's life is bad, its really convinient to attribute those problems on someone else. Its even easier for X leader to gain populatrity by blaming the powerful en!@#$%^&*y. Hitler and the Jews cause any lightbulbs to go off? Yeah.. Think of us as the Jews and all the US haters as Hitler. There's my opinion, why dont you tell us the real reason? IT'S NOT MAGIC YOU KNOW, TERRORISTS DON'T GROW IN CABBAGES! NO ONE WANTS A LIFE THAT WILL END WITH BOOM! YOU MUST ADMIT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE VERY DESPERATE TO HAVE 5 POUNDS OF C4 SCOTCH TAPED TO YOUR CHEST TO MAKE A POINT!! Terrorists are cabbages, in a sense. Terrorists are home grown, they aren't born with abnormal hatred. 2.) Islamic fundamentalists do.. if they die they get the virgin business.. etc. 3.) Yep you do have to be desperate, desperation doesn't = suicidewithbomb although. I'm really curious to hear how you feel its the US's fault on ANY subject. I'm sure you've got a whole list.
MonteZuma Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 ...AND WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WANT TO KILL AMERICANS IN THE FIRST PLACE?... Heh, im sure to a frenchy its because America is evil encarnate. My answer is, I don't know. If you look at your response to Bacchus you will find part of the answer.
Aileron Posted September 6, 2004 Author Report Posted September 6, 2004 The mistake Bacchus is making is simple. He is trying to map the middle eastern mind with the thought processes of westerns. THEY DON'T THINK LIKE US. You guys hate the United States because we are too conservative for your tastes. Al Queda hates us because we are too liberal for their tastes. You think our actions are right wing, but the actions of Al Queda are simply too far right for you to comprehend. You guys make the mistake of !@#$%^&*uming that terrorists are fellow liberals. They aren't - they are conservative fundimentalists. If Bin Laden subscribed to this topic, I would be about halfway between him and Bacchus. Simply put: Bacchus - However much you think you dissagree with my opinion, your disagrement between yourself and Al Queda is twice that. Monte - " " " " is three times that. In any case, the opinions of the liberal minded would be the opposite of what we need right now. Those actions would do a very good job of making Europe happy, but would make the Middle East even more pissed at us. You cannot please the right by moving left or by thinking in a leftist manner. You have to move right to please the right. Any plan that would bring peace to the US and Al Queda would have to be for the US to move right while Al Queda moves left. This plan would piss you guys off!! You already think the US is too far right, and this action would take us farther right. As for me, I'd like this plan at first. However, only after a short time, it would piss me off in such a way that I would AGREE WITH YOU TWO. There is a very good reason why we are approaching this situation with retaliation instead of a peace plan, and you guys should be thankfull for it. The US shifting far right to please Al Queda would have severe worldwide consequences. I guarentee, if the US made any move towards a truce or armistace in the War on Terror, Europe and Australia would rush in to pick up the slack. The exception ofcourse is the Palestinian terrorists. They are indeed left wing. However, that is Israel's concern at the moment, not ours. Besides, hatred is an emotion. By definition, emotions do not always have to be rational. Thus, it is faulty to assume that any hatred was gotten by logical means without proof. Look at the Nazi's treatment of the Jews. Did the jews do anything to deserve that level of hatred from the Nazis? Sometimes hatred is brought on by ones actions. Most of the time however, it is merely the result of selective mental conditioning.
Bacchus Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 THEY DON'T THINK LIKE US. ok. Sorry to say that, i don't mean offense but: YOU'RE SPEAKING OUT OF YOUR -*BAD WORD*-! I've travelled there. Simply put i stayed with 300 radical muslims/rebels for over a month. Alone with them, in the Sahel, north of Burkina Faso. I've met folks from Saudi, Lybia, Mali, Ivory Coast, name it. All muslims, some pretty heavily angered at what they see and feel coming from the americaS, which the USA represent. please note: USA represent. Generally speaking, those i've met, and some of them did train to become rebels...not terrorists, but rebels nonetheless (particularly in the Tuareg upraising and various coup) and they were very open-minded and willing to discuss things. BUT, Usually, north americans are treating them like sh... some under-species to be processed and nurtured into civilsation...USA-wise civilisation, which is destroying their way of life and cultural iden!@#$%^&*y. And that should ring a bell in every american heads, don't it sound somewhat familiar...protecting your way of life? USA is generally "hated" because it doesn't speak, it shows no tolerance to difference, it rams its economic powers down the throat of any country disagreing with it. Basically speaking, USA show no concern for smaller folks. It's aloofness incarnate for other culture and geo-political contexts...and very frustratingly so...IT'S ALWAYS THINKING IT'S -*BAD WORD*-ING RIGHT TO DO WHAT IT THINKS NEED DOING. **my english might suck. sry about that.** So, in other words...terrorists are using the only weapon with a bit of political levy (spl): terrorism. The bigger USA army and repression, the bigger the terrorists number. Which is very good for a military-oriented economy. ok, why are you the object of so much criticism? no offense meant: Usually people thinks americans are braggart, they show no respect for any ins!@#$%^&*ution or tradition other then their own. They are condescending, very misinformed, loaded with prejudice and always look like they've been invested with some divine mission which, quite frankly, people outside USA doesn't give 2 -*BAD WORD*- about. before whining to generalisation let me add that you'd be naive to think that I think all american are the same, they're not off course. I've met very well informed, talkative and sympathetic americans...but the actions of USA gov is what will be seen as an "american will", USA gov is representing it's people around the world and those people are pissed at what they see and feel. USA seems to think they should be grateful, they usually just want USA to get the -*BAD WORD*- out of their world and mind their frikkin business. But no...that can't be, USA needs the resosurces, USA needs conformity, so USA adopts a missionary stance: IN god WE trust! God Bless America! who cares really but some white house -*BAD WORD*-head with loads of support from right wing religious group, oiled and ready CEO and arms dealers? [/rant]
Aileron Posted September 6, 2004 Author Report Posted September 6, 2004 Bacchus, your criticism of the US only proves my point: We are too conservative for your tastes. Al Queda is not a group of Saudi Rebels or Lybian Social Fighters. Al Queda is group of fundimentalists who are everything you hate about American culture doubled. They wish to have the gap between rich and poor driven even larger, and to have their idiot mockery of the Muslim Religion mandatory for all who walk the face of the Earth. They claim to be defending their "culture". Infact, they are defending the system of oppression that gave individuals like Bin Laden their wealth. The groups you mentioned may be indeed defending their culture, but Al Queda is not. Welcome to the Middle East, a conflicting mess of small groups with different idealogies. You happened to visit a liberal sect. The US is at war with the highly fundamentalist sect down the street.
Bacchus Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 mmh, you accuse Bin Laden and Al Qaeda of defending a system of oppression that give individuals their wealth... I'm quite sure you know that Ben Laden was trained by your governement on the how's to defend such system. And from my point of view, and i know i share this with a lot of people, USA is as fundamentalistic as those groups right now; the means are different, the ways it shows is different, but at the end the consequences are basically the same. USA manichenianism (spl, i'm not sure this word actually exist in english) doesn't allow shades of gray and if this is true that USA is fighting a war with a small group of fundamentalist i must say that this "war" is screwing up the world right now. A world where, might i remind you, the middle men and women usually don't care and just want peace. From my point of view, a conservative or right winged stance is just like a suicide pact for the world: ressources will fall short because of overproduction and american-wise consumtion, nature will freaked out, war will erupt, people will die and for a long time to come a whole lot of people will be pointing toward the agressor which sadly is USA.
Dr.Worthless Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 And from my point of view, and i know i share this with a lot of people, USA is as fundamentalistic as those groups right now; the means are different, the ways it shows is different, but at the end the consequences are basically the same. Well then holy -*BAD WORD*- Bacchus, if you really believe that then march your -*BAD WORD*- down to the frenchy army office and inlist. Because if you relate the USA with a fundamentalist Islamic terrorist group, France really has some -*BAD WORD*- to worry about. Islamic fundamentalists have car bombs and suicide bombers.. the USA is the worlds on superpower.
Bacchus Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 wtf... you're so thick it hurts Dr. get that log outta that -*BAD WORD*- man, you'll feel so much better. oh, and while you're at it, re-read the post and try wondering "why?" again, ok? I'll repeat myself here...but any gov preaching peace and democracy and backing it's argument with a 451 billion US $ army ought to be pretty -*BAD WORD*-ed up if it think i'm gonna buy it. Me and a whole lotta people actually.
Guest Recombo Posted September 7, 2004 Report Posted September 7, 2004 The only country who 'could' have a $451 billion US army is the USA Is there any other possibility? Bacchus forgot to mention that the 'whole lotta people' he is referring to are mostly immigrants, foreigners, and/or kids.
Dr.Worthless Posted September 7, 2004 Report Posted September 7, 2004 I'll repeat myself here...but any gov preaching peace and democracy and backing it's argument with a 451 billion US $ army ought to be pretty -*BAD WORD*-ed up if it think i'm gonna buy it.Ok bachus.. but when france or any other country needs liberation from another country willing to hold a large standing army, please don't come looking to the US. Not like that would ever happen though, everyone int he world is peaceful so I can see your point, there really isn't need for a standing army.. If you can make the arguement that America hasn't done more for the world community, participation, ideology, and $$ wise, please do so. If not please get over your US hatred. oh, and while you're at it, re-read the post and try wondering "why?" again, ok? Ok, so you're opinion is that the islamic world (im sure the whole world, in your opinion) see us as an evil imperialistic empire. That's great. Bottom line is if our citizens are attacked and killed, we're going to go after whatever en!@#$%^&*y with zeal and retribution. Coming from such a weak country bachus I can understand why the concept is alittle foreign, but "peaceful negotiation" doesn't always work, and sometimes you've got to take a stand on things, right or wrong. "Evil Empire" or not, if an organization or country targets us, we will not be asking permission to defend ourselves, we never have and hopefully never will.
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