A sad day for 17th

[DaKillaRoach]

Wow thats low Vile... quoting Willy Wonka

 

Just let 17th die, or even better re-name it. Be -*BAD WORD*-ed if its anything but 17th now. In truth the only thing it seems to be now is Rumble.

 

Reload speaks true words that many who have played in this zone for more than 3 months will generally agree on.

 

17th Parallel is now BORING. Maybe its because we have played here a long time, maybe because we can kill most the current players in pub without trying, or maybe its because there is no challenge from where there should always be.

 

Trench wars, DSB, Chaos, all zones which even after years of playing STILL have old timers playing because there is still a challenge for them in pub, event and league.

 

We don't have a good public anymore, therefore we don't have a good league and therefore we are suffering in a huge way.

 

Staff needs to fix it and fix it fast but like we know, that won't happen unless you include random spontaneous downloads for various crap.

 

But saying that players have ranted on for months (maybe years now?) about wanting things changed. Trial settings turned to full time settings, the map hasn't changed for even longer and inner settings like damage, bounty and greens have been tweaked back and fore so much.

 

Staff didn't listen then, staff won't listen now. It really is that simple. They have a plan on some sort of humongous (sp?) proportion thats been brewing for years... so far Vile's settings have been the only thing and they havn't spent more than a day in pub and feed back seemed to be ignored and those plans then pushed to the side.

 

Whiel all this happens i'll sit back and eat popcorn wondering who will take the next step to killing the already dieing form of 17th Parallel ^_^

[AndurilFlameoftheWest]

Okay, time for my reply. Get real. If you expect to spend the rest of your lives on this game worrying about appeal to the vets, newbies, what have you, thats sad. If you are that perturbed with it, then leave. I agree with rifleman. But also Im bored with it now too, but i think the bounty record and tournaments are good ideas, and i think theres been a fairly good reaction to that. And DO NOT knock the levi with portal. and ive seen the old school levi, and frankly it sucked and its only way of survival would be to turret, which is nigh impossible to do these days. I in jan. of last year, and i played for a few months, and i was new so i kinda sucked fairly bad...starting in weasel didnt help either. So i stopped for a few months. But i came back, and ive been playing since december, and playing the levi since early march. I think the pub is overall good, the map that has been used is good, and i think if they end up using the map the past few fridays, people could learn to warm up, but the map that has been used is still a WHOLE lot better than the one used today for freaky friday. I think there should be more compe!@#$%^&*ions in pub to increase either the intensity of the ball game or the playing expieriance itsself. So i will end this post full of typos and opinions. But seriously. I dont plan to be playing this 5 years from now. Hopefully ill have a hot girl that looks like sheryl crow, and ill have made something of myself. Of course, i may still play games occasionally, i cant knock the habit that easy. So, in short. Shutup and play. Have a nice day

[Delic]

So much ignorance :C

[Rifleman]

Okay, time for my reply. Get real. If you expect to spend the rest of your lives on this game worrying about appeal to the vets, newbies, what have you, thats sad. If you are that perturbed with it, then leave. I agree with rifleman.  But also Im bored with it now too, but i think the bounty record and tournaments are good ideas, and i think theres been a fairly good reaction to that.  And DO NOT knock the levi with portal. and ive seen the old school levi, and frankly it sucked and its only way of survival would be to turret, which is nigh impossible to do these days. I in jan. of last year, and i played for a few months, and i was new so i kinda sucked fairly bad...starting in weasel didnt help either.  So i stopped for a few months.  But i came back, and ive been playing since december, and playing the levi since early march.  I think the pub is overall good, the map that has been used is good, and i think if they end up using the map the past few fridays, people could learn to warm up, but the map that has been used is still a WHOLE lot better than the one used today for freaky friday.  I think there should be more compe!@#$%^&*ions in pub to increase either the intensity of the ball game or the playing expieriance itsself. So i will end this post full of typos and opinions. But seriously. I dont plan to be playing this 5 years from now. Hopefully ill have a hot girl that looks like sheryl crow, and ill have made something of myself. Of course, i may still play games occasionally, i cant knock the habit that easy. So, in short. Shutup and play.  Have a nice day

I could go on battling Delic and Reload`s arguments for centuries. Literally.

 

Instead of wasting time on that ( yes I know you won`t change your minds no matter what I say or how true it is ), I`ll just agree 100% with above.

Same goes for why I never reply to settings "discussions".

 

 

-Rifle

[Delic]

Rifleman.. you really haven't even argued with my points about the gameplay, you've just said that we should quit if we don't like it how it is, you can't argue my points about the ships.

 

Anduril, you think the old levi sucks just because it requires more skill and therefore is harder to use.

I always thought the old levi was more powerful.

Faster bombs, more energy, faster bulltet rate (but requires more aim).

 

Just face it, it's harder to get good at it than the newbie levi you're used to and that's why you don't like it.

 

Warbird: Troop carrier.

Javelin: Fighter craft.

Spider: Ambush craft.

Leviathan: Long range heavy bomber.

Terrier: All-purpose support craft.

Weasel: New fighter, different from the Javelin in several ways, but equal power-wise.

Lancaster: Close range bomber.

Shark: Cloakable fighter/bomber.

 

Just like real units, these ships were specialized at fighting in their own way.

This way, the team with most variety of ships is more likely to win a battle.

All these ships' weaknesses and strengths depend on where they're located, (again, just like in a real war), they all have their own "missions", which is what would make pub much more exciting.

 

Yes, this means oldsettings minus the weasel (setts in ?go control) + a new turf flagging map.

I've been working on a map as many of you know, it's in ?go Control.

The bases still need some improvements, but that's basically it.

I know that a lot of people wouldn't agree with this, all of those who've played pub just to score a ball.

But I truly believe 17th would be a lot more fun for more people and know for a fact that this would attract players from other zones if we turned it back to how it was made to be played, but in a improved way.

 

You can't argue that

[AndurilFlameoftheWest]

oh i can play it, but in a matter of actually moving and getting away, its not that good. By that i mean, ALOT easier to vulch, and bullets are faster than i am used too, and frankly i dont go play it that much, and this levi gives a chance to actually particpate in some open battle, and not excluded to just primarily bases and turreting. Dont talk about a ship you dont even play. I think you need to do better in your own ship before you go around calling a ship newb.

[Delic]

Hi, I can bet I've played "your ship" more than you have, so please don't go there.

 

The levi was supposed to be heavy artillery, its weakness was its slowness, and its strengt was its powerful bombs, IT MADE SENSEEE.

 

Since when do you see heavy artillery getting away from fighter units, it wasn't SUPPOSED TOOOO BE ABLEEEE tooo doOoo thaat..

[AndurilFlameoftheWest]

Okay. I'm tryin to remember last time you played levi......oh wait....i cant. In fact, i dont think you have even played pub in a long time, and as im looking now your rec is 4-1. Also, just because youve played it more doesnt mean your good at it

[Delic]

which is irrelevant even it was true

[AndurilFlameoftheWest]

okay...well im done. i said my peace earlier.

[reload]

You don't get these extra players by changing settings. It's more likely to lose players that way. You never talk about the settings. You never ask players what they want. No' date=' you just change it without thinking, quite often without much success. Remember, 17th has to compete with zones like Trench Wars and Death Star Battle, both good zones with A LOT of European players (the ones usually playing at noon EST).[/quote']

 

Hi, I don't bother to check out the other thread on this forum that would prove me wrong

 

http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=4778

 

What I see there is 11-2 YES.

 

And let's look at the change which spawned this thread:

 

http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=5452

 

What I see there is 7-2 YES.

 

YOU LOSE! YOU WIN NOTHING! GOOD DAY SIR!

OMG! OMG! YOU GOT ME THERE! OUCH! LOW BLOW!

 

Haha Vile' date=' seriously. 11-2/7-2. That's 13 votes/9 votes. OMG! THAT MUST BE ABOUT HALF OF THE ZONE PLAYERS WE HAVE!

 

This zone has a big problem with it's forum. About what, 50-100 players? post on this 17th Parallel forum. Look at 17th's player database. It's WAY MORE. 13/9 votes is NOTHING compared to the player database of 17th. I lose? Whatever you say Vile, but keep in mind that this zone doesn't exist of 13 players. It's more like 1-5% of the total zone population. I'll quote a few things, hold on.

 

 

Reload - Attempting to please 100% of the playerbase is impossible.

If you are not pleased with the settings - I`m sorry, but we have to think of the majority.

 

you cant make everyone happy' date=' Upperstaff has always gone with the majority of the players.. and i see rifle just said that....[/quote']

 

Now, looking back at Vile's post..I'll quote it again

 

http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=4778

 

What I see there is 11-2 YES.

 

And let's look at the change which spawned this thread:

 

http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=5452

 

What I see there is 7-2 YES.

 

Yes' date=' the 3 of you are absolutely right. You do what the Majority of the zone, namely 13 and 9 players, want. Good job! Keep up the good work!

 

Okay' date=' time for my reply. Get real. If you expect to spend the rest of your lives on this game worrying about appeal to the vets, newbies, what have you, thats sad. If you are that perturbed with it, then leave. I agree with rifleman.  [b']But also Im bored with it now too[/b]

 

And you think that by totally ignoring these things, the zone will suddenly become exciting again?

 

And DO NOT knock the levi with portal. and ive seen the old school levi' date=' and frankly it sucked and its only way of survival would be to turret, which is nigh impossible to do these days.[/quote']

 

That is because the Levi has only had a few changes. Most of the ships have undergone a big makeover, ships like the Terrier and the Weasel. Back in the old days, you used to see a lot of Turrets. But simply because of all the changes, it's not very easy to turret anymore. This is yet another problem of the 'do first, think later' protocol that 17th has been using for a long time now. This is a problem that you get when you change 1 thing completely, while you change something else only slight. Unbalanced Settings are usually the outcome of such changes. So don't say that something sucks while you haven't even played properly with it.

[talion]

Lol.

 

Always the same people saying "bring back the old sets."

 

Always a few more people come forward and say "Take it or leave it," when people say "bring back the old sets."

 

This discussion gets older faster every time a thread like this is made. 17th is a good zone when it has the 20v20 pub games but it's ending up like Chaos pub with 2x the speccers than players, which is sad, because Chaos is good too with lots of people.

 

No amount of settings/maps changes will make me want to play 17th more than 5 minutes if it's 6v6, and I don't believe any amount of settings changes will change the proportions of people who are speccing in the zone.

 

Then again I've said all this and more before and been told that my posts are irrelevant and that I don't know what I'm talking about. That's ok. Have fun sitting in spec talking about why pub sucks though.

 

Edit: Turreting in 17th isn't as hard as you all seem to think, try not overfiring as if every ship was a jav, that's a good place to start.

[Delic]

Thanks for the tip, Talion

[reload]

Lol.

 

Always the same people saying "bring back the old sets."

 

Always a few more people come forward and say "Take it or leave it," when people say "bring back the old sets."

 

This discussion gets older faster every time a thread like this is made.

The reason why threads like this are still made, is because the staff doesn't do anything about it.

[ntfx]

LOL

 

That's all I want to spend on this useless topic.

[AndurilFlameoftheWest]

QUOTE (Anduril)

Okay, time for my reply. Get real. If you expect to spend the rest of your lives on this game worrying about appeal to the vets, newbies, what have you, thats sad. If you are that perturbed with it, then leave. I agree with rifleman. But also Im bored with it now too

 

 

 

And you think that by totally ignoring these things, the zone will suddenly become exciting again?

 

Well see if you will look in the later portion of my long -*BAD WORD*- post, i suggested some ideas, which when used before in pub went over well. The "kill the rabbit" and the bounty record have been well recieved so far. And boredom is going to happen in anything, i mean somethings it takes longer to get bored at, ie Zelda 64, Mario Kart 64, -*BAD WORD*- good games, i played them for 2 to 3 years before i was fed up completely wiht them, and i still love mario kart. Boredom is just as inevitable as anything else, but that doesnt mean the Staff is not doing anything about it. Bounty record is giving people another goal other than just balling, cuz if you just play the game to ball back and forth, that does get really boring. So if they did more pub compe!@#$%^&*ions, id say that that would raise the excitement level more, and the current compe!@#$%^&*ion has seem to have done that. So just play. Cuz like i said, its sad when you dwell on how to run a game. End of topic.

[Vile Requiem]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/vilerequiem/screenshot7.jpg

During RRL

 

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/vilerequiem/screenshot8.jpg

9:06 PM EST

 

 

 

And with that, this topic is decreed pointless to continue.

[NBVegita]

Wait!

 

Wasn't dueling league mine!?

 

THIEF! THIEF! THIEF!

[Delic]

So if they did more pub compe!@#$%^&*ions' date=' id say that that would raise the excitement level more, and the current compe!@#$%^&*ion has seem to have done that. So just play. Cuz like i said, its sad when you dwell on how to run a game. End of topic.[/quote']

 

I think pub is one big mess' date=' and has been one big mess for too long.

 

Why I think this is because, you got all these different elements, all these different types of games (king of the hill / bounty hunt, soccer, north base that nobody uses).

You have warp greens, full charge greens, shield greens and bricks that people can use to brickwarp people too easily.

All those things gives pub a very unbalanced gameplay.[/quote']

 

And those screenshots are really irrelevant Vileypooh Specially since DSB server or routers started lagging bad, that's why their pop went down

Why don't you discuss the gameplay with us! <3

[AndurilFlameoftheWest]

QUOTE (Delic)

I think pub is one big mess, and has been one big mess for too long.

 

Why I think this is because, you got all these different elements, all these different types of games (king of the hill / bounty hunt, soccer, north base that nobody uses).

You have warp greens, full charge greens, shield greens and bricks that people can use to brickwarp people too easily.

All those things gives pub a very unbalanced gameplay.

 

I think its hilarious how this post keeps going, and it seems to keep going by the same person. Oh yes, pub is chaotic , wow, a real bruhaha. Ive noticed the population stay up past 50 the past few days, close to 60, which in the prior weeks before bounty record, when i got on there were only 20 to 30. lately there have been more 15 on 15 battles. So apparently this is a popular mess they have going here. Apparently you just want to ball, and balling = boring for long periods. Yeh you hafta watch our for them brickwarpers, -*BAD WORD*- man. unbalancing the gameplay and all. They should make it illegal to brick warp. !ban to kentbrockman and any other shark. As for the greens, they are few and far between. With north base, a smidge more emphasis has been put on it, with the top 20 pts used for the tourney in a few weeks. Granted its not used much, but hey its purty. be kinda boring just to have a egg shaped arena.

 

And the players names that i see on his screenshots, are the majority, with the exception of one or two(Prayer@God) and (666axer666) , players that usually play on the 17th. I havent seen any uprise in new players, but the ones who usually play and usta play are playing more frequently, with maybe one or two new. So if dsbs population is 1 or 2 i can see your point. Any more -*BAD WORD*-ing on this topic and you shall be deemed the village idiot.

[Delic]

Eh, read the text Vile typed under the screenshot.

 

There were about 30 people in RRL and lots of DSB players.. I didn't say everyone in DSB came here when they couldn't play there, but I know for a fact that it affected our pop a lot.

 

And again, I'm not talking about population, I'm talking about the gameplay.

As I said, people will always be here no matter what you do.

[X`terrania]

Zeke 4 prez...gg$

Reload, I hope you never leave 17th parallel.

Zeke, hurry up and get your -*BAD WORD*- in gear, we need you.

[DaKillaRoach]

Delic has been here longer; therefore his word is greater than yours Anduril - you NAME THIEF!

[Arianax]

This is working on the premise that some people are more important than others. obviously theres always been a Staff>players relationship. and someone mentioned that it even says it in the staff guide. but all players have an equal say when it comes to this, or at least should, since thingy said staff have to go with the majority, the silent majority as is the case, if so many people disliked it, you'd think they would mention it. but i wont take sides

 

serith is back? or did i just make up him going.

[Tempest]

On the contrary, the protocol states:

 

Don't ever act smug or superior toward other players. You shouldn't have to prove something to yourself by proving to others that you are better than them. If you feel the need to do things like that, then you shouldn't be on staff. Instead, you should go above the situation and realize that you are better for doing that. Never flaunt, never ruin your professionalism.

And that:

 

Only a hypocrite Mod would cheat or break the rules in a game because they thought they were "above everyone else."