How I think pub should be! w0o

[Delic]

Making a new thread since the other one went off-topic.

 

I think pub is one big mess, and has been one big mess for too long.

 

Why I think this is because, you got all these different elements, all these different types of games (king of the hill / bounty hunt, soccer, north base that nobody uses).

You have warp greens, full charge greens, shield greens and bricks that people can use to brickwarp people too easily.

All those things gives pub a very unbalanced gameplay.

This is why 17th hasn't attracted as many (if any) players from other zones in a long time.

 

I believe 17th lost its originality a long time ago.

 

"Fast paced team turf style. Keep your own territory while at the same time fighting to take over your adversary's."

 

North VS South, with ships that have their own special ways of fighting.

Turf flagging only since flags mark the territory.

No bountyrecord bot, no king of the hill, no soccer, no warp greens, no full charge greens, no shields greens.

Just a bot that starts a 15 minute long fair, honest and much less lame match and shows the stats (kills deaths etc) of the match when the time is up (the team with most points wins).

 

Warbird: Troop carrier.

Javelin: Fighter craft.

Spider: Ambush craft.

Leviathan: Long range heavy bomber.

Terrier: All-purpose support craft.

Weasel: New fighter, different from the Javelin in several ways, but equal power-wise.

Lancaster: Close range bomber.

Shark: Cloakable fighter/bomber.

 

Just like real units, these ships were specialized at fighting in their own way.

This way, the team with most variety of ships is more likely to win a battle.

All these ships' weaknesses and strengths depend on where they're located, (again, just like in a real war), they all have their own "missions", which is what would make pub much more exciting.

 

Yes, this means oldsettings minus the weasel (setts in ?go control) + a new turf flagging map.

I've been working on a map as many of you know, it's in ?go Control.

The bases still need some improvements, but that's basically it.

I know that a lot of people wouldn't agree with this, all of those who've played pub just to score a ball.

But I truly believe 17th would be a lot more fun for more people and know for a fact that this would attract players from other zones if we turned it back to how it was made to be played, but in a improved way.

[DaKillaRoach]

As far as i'm concerned, do whatever, this zone is past me caring now because of how long everything has been said and bugger all was done that was actually good.

 

All I will say is, make the bases east and west, I don't like playing on north and south bases, I feel almost at a disadvantage and prefer flying and shooting down rather than up.

 

If its east and west it will make no difference in terms of game play but no one can complain about the strange feeling of it all

[Delic]

The bases are supposed to be different in Control (haven't made a new one yet, just different entrances to flag rooms).

Since the map is all new to everyone, you won't get that funny feeling

[Arianax]

lol, this is getting a bit stereotyped.

 

everyones thinking it, im just saying it.

 

OLD SETTS !!!

 

 

only kidding.

[Vile Requiem]

Pub should be a place in which the following people reside:

 

Heidi Klum for the guys

Fabio for the ladies

 

And they want to have sex with you constantly.

 

That'd drive pop up

[pACMANx]

I have to agree with Delic. There always seems to be 10 different people playing 10 different games (when we are lucky enough to HAVE 10 people). The north is never used by anyone - points are for buying bounce and super (both of which should go bye-bye), and shield greens have become so common that:

 

pacmanx> Shields?

everyone> yeah

 

has become way too common. I think the old ships + a new map would be a change for the possitive. For the longest time it irked me that the jav was so overpowered compared to a terrier 1v1. The real problem is that team play isn't encouraged enough, due mostly to the nature of the game. This shouldn't BE 1v1, it should be team v team, where each ship has its part. It's gotten to the point where "teaming" has become a COMPLAINT. Teaming is the whole IDEA!

 

>>>>>>>>IT'S A TEAM GAME<<<<<<<<<

 

Duel in ?go duel.

 

I'm behind Delic

 

pACMANx

[Arianax]

Your with Delic? -*BAD WORD*- man, I'm with Vile!

 

:swift:

[Vile Requiem]

Remember kids, there's no shields in pub.

 

Get these silly delusions away from your brains where they might do harm

[ntfx]

I only vote for a new map.

 

Changing ship settings all the time will -*BAD WORD*- over your population since everyone gets tired of getting used to a certain ship again..

 

I think they are fine as they are, maybe some little tweaking here and there but overall they're fine as they are right now.

 

That's just my 2 cents

[X`terrania]

Take those 2 cents back, you have to pay rent this month!

[X`terrania]

Actually, north is used quite alot.

You just have to be on to notice it, everyone once in awhile there will be at least 8+ trying to get the flags in north, I bet if you '' INCREASE THE FLAGS REWARDS PEOPLE WILL BE FIGHTING OVER EACH OTHER TRYING TO GET THEM NORTH ''.

[thelordoftheland]

north is a must for anyone that wants most points.

of course, few people actually care about points.

and those who actually want north, would rather switch teams instead of fighting for it.

 

solution: get people to care about points. not scoring or winning soccer. but points. also will stop the reckless spending of points on tuesdays. takumi using his 40m points in bounce and constant super is only funny for 5min.

[Guest Takumi.Fujiwara...]

I don't take that as an offense... If people think that theres too much points being ac-*BAD WORD*-ulated on my behalf it was only because of the Freaky Friday map... The other freq was half asleep i guess... Thats the only reason why i had 40+ mil points that Tues... (BTW, i only had 20 mil at that hour) ugh... 17th is dying... slowly... Like it has cancer... But I see some good "cures" posted here...

[Delic]

Changing ship settings all the time will -*BAD WORD*- over your population since everyone gets tired of getting used to a certain ship again..

 

In the end it would be for the better of the zone because of everything that the old shipsetts bring to the gameplay.

Sure it would take a few weeks for the newer players to get really good at them' date=' but after that it would be all good.

 

I think they are fine as they are' date=' maybe some little tweaking here and there but overall they're fine as they are right now.[/quote']

 

Tweaking them here and there wouldn't really matter much because they are the results of "tweaking here and there", you can tweak them as much as you want and they would still be messed up, so it wouldn't make much difference

But they're not fine, they're much more boring now.

They're the result of Nurples' and (mainly) Zeke's attempts to "balance" the ships by crippling them and making them all more like all-round ships suited for any situation.

In other words, they crippled the ships' unique abilities and made them more alike eachother, unlike the oldshipsett where every ship had its own ways of fighting.

[pACMANx]

Exactly. The ships should have a more clear role. Occasionally someone does go up north and get all the flags for points. But it's really not fun to do it- it's a chore. The flags could be integrated into the main board, or the bases, for more consistant (and fun) use

 

 

 

-=pax=-

[ddaL]

i didnt even read that, but delic been talking about this crap for so long, that i know what he going to say, so do what he says, becouse he has very similar likes with me

[kentbrockman]

am i the only one who has been playing for 1.5 years or more who thinks that the current pubmap is great?

[GhettoSmurf]

i like the current map too, but new...old sets would be nice. and i'm sure this has already been said and stuff, but i'm to lazy to read all the posts that are all the same as they've always been, i'm !@#$%^&*uming...

[pernille]

I moved some posts that was off topic to the off topic thread

 

 

pernille

[Arianax]

yay, thx pern, its become MY topic. form a queue.

[DaKillaRoach]

I've seen Delics map and I like it... it has a few flaws, mainly the large tube through the bases but little flaws can be fixed.

 

I've seen balling on the current map for at over 2 years and everytime I play it seems Teamwork is decreasing. Tonight was proof of that...

 

I have been playing 17th for the past week because of Vile's tournament and it has appalled me to see the complete lack of teamwork. Everyone has their own agenda, their own personal want and thinking they have supposed skills. Its quite sad and even worse to watch.

 

I have just played in a 8 vs 8 of which myself and Don1 who barely did any work scored 6 goals but lost 6-8 - why? Because it always seems one team wants to ball and the other team doesn't. Only 4 people were working on the opposite though and everyone else was fighting.

 

Of course those that DID join in pissed me off because of their lack of thought or action. Attaching to cloakers, staying on people, kaming in pointless situations etc. 'for the team'. -*BAD WORD*-, 17th pub has degraded its self into a huge newb fest that frankly its shameful to be apart of. I can see why alot of people don't enjoy it - its lack of compe!@#$%^&*ion and teamwork is horrible.

 

This new map and pub idea by Delic has potential, it heightens teamwork for terms of flagging and killing, admittedly no ball game although I feel a small ball game might be useful so it doesn't just seem like endless killing but whatever to that comment, but overall Maka has an idea that I think could work. Put it up some friday, think about it and prehaps go back to the roots of 17th a bit.

[FIX]

nice dkr, u made sense to me for 1nce, i agree.

[DaKillaRoach]

Thank you ^_^

[Zetirix]

Woo, Don's back, someone tell him I said "hey."

 

- Z

[X`terrania]

Zeke, i'll pm ya his msn incase you get back.

He is pretty active on continuum now too.

 

-X`terr