Why does everyone on the zone hate new folk?

[A_Mare_Who_Kicks]

Yeah, I know, people berate 'newbs' everywhere but this was over the top. Of every zone I have been in, Hyperspace is the least friendly to new players.

 

It isn't the design, layout or the way the game actually works -- those things are done very well, but the game and the veteran players are both heavily stacked against new players.

 

I've had the misfortune of experiencing a number of lame behaviors. Today, for instance, a veteran player got !@#$%^&*igned to the public frequency I was on. I managed to get four flags at least partway in a base. No one managed to find it and fortunately no one was spec spying on me (good thing about sucking as a player, I guess) plus I dropped them in the #7 base which doesn't seem typically used for anything besides balling. Anyway, not long after I had dropped the flags, one of the players on my own frequency suddenly switched frequencies, rushed in and snagged the flags before I realized what had happened.

 

This is no better than an intentional TK and irked me enough that I called him out as a lamer on channel. Immediately, a veteran group of players set out to harr!@#$%^&* me. I was flamed and even cursed at by players and none of the staff online at the time did anything to stop it. I put a number of individuals on ignore because they wouldn't stop cursing. D1st0rt claimed to be a mod, though I didn't see his name on the list and egged on the people cursing and fLaming. As a result, at least one new person who came on several minutes after I'd put the harr!@#$%^&*ers on ?ignore left. There were several new people who came on last night who left because veteran players were repeatedly negging with their maxed-out ships.

 

I found this frustrating as well. I put in some good shots, took out a few Lancasters and got lucky a couple times, so I decided to try and ride it out, hoping I could get good enough to participate in the flagging so I could get the money to buy and max out a ship.

 

Anyhow, that's not what happened. I've seen all manner of lame behavior toward new guys in just the couple of days I've been on, not the least of which is cursing a player like me out and online moderators refusing to do anything to stop it.

 

You guys have a good game system that could keep and attract new players, but you seriously need to change players' -- and at least one staffers' -- mentalities in how they treat new players, and the game is a bit unbalanced toward new players. If you're happy with 10-20 max people, that's fine, but the game could rival Trench Wars, I'm sure, if you make it less hostile to new players.

 

-- A Mare Who Kicks

 

[1stStrike]

HS's staff has kinda been like that for a while. I think brain has fired and hired a new staff a couple times now. I think he just needs to pick people from a different zone or something, because everyone that plays in HS is biased.

[Power_P]

Amen

[FunkmastaD]

I am nice to newer people

Although I can't be online 24/7

[Dr Brain]

I do know how hard we are on newbies game wise. I've put off doing anything about it until the new modules, because the current modules can't handle the strain of any major changes.

 

I hope to make HS newbie friendly, but until I've updated some stuff, it's not practical.

 

As for the vets, there isn't really a whole lot I can do about that. Usually the staff are helpful, but like you said, there weren't any online.

[Shrop]

Well it seems to me that the New Players are hostile to the vets here in words..so lets say me and a another person is Cloakin one specific 1bountyer...then all of the New Players pitch in and say Hey you !@#$%^&*head quit Cloakin you noob jesus..then the New Player blows up and cusses up a storm then says stuff about my mother then says she has a -*BAD WORD*- then says other dumb stuff that is a failed atempt to get me mad..but it gets me annoyed. so i just cloak all of them..........well i try to help them out i gave out 700k today. but most of them dont stay so thats a waste of my time and money

[Power_P]

Shrop youre like so out of the subject like...god shut up

 

Brain , it is hard on the newbs and I understand you have module problems and whatnot. Truth is HS has never really been all that newb friendly and personnaly I think you guys are drifting further and further away from the goal here.

 

But like you said, things need to be done first and then we'll see what we'll see, for now its not friendly at all.

[picano2.0]

Bah.... I'm on most of the day and well.... compared to what I've seen in other zones.... newbs are treated pretty well... (well better considering how much more help is needed in this style of zone). Anyway.... weather or not we keep all new players I do care... unless of course the new players have some sort of problem that would end up bringing the zone down...

 

Examples of last type of noob being...

Madne$$ - Constant profanity, racism, and well... being an -*BAD WORD*- just to get the mods angry.

 

Others.. - Given a decent ammount of starter money (10k), helped out with ship setup, taught what flagging is.... etc.... just to turn around and complain about being killed and not being able to fully upgrade a ship their FIRST day....

 

Others 2 - Arguing against the current setup, complaining about sets, complaining about losing to a vet.... all this the first few days before finally leaving.

 

Anyway, enough complaining. People do help... a LOT more than should be expected / needed. Carrying on arguing about something or complaining of unfairness does nothing... Sorry I can't say I have read the first post or anything yet but... I tend to forget what I'm thinking if I don't right it down.

 

EDIT: After reading the post...

 

Yeah, I know, people berate 'newbs' everywhere but this was over the top.  Of every zone I have been in, Hyperspace is the least friendly to new players.

Really? When I first got into continuum... I was harr!@#$%^&*ed in DBZ, TW, and EG till no end (well... got a few friends in dbz, EG was -*BAD WORD*-, then tw I found my calling in lasertag) This zone only seems a bit worse off as more factors are judged into harr!@#$%^&*ment (ship diffs, money diffs, knowledge diffs)

 

It isn't the design, layout or the way the game actually works -- those things are done very well, but the game and the veteran players are both heavily stacked against new players.

 

Quite true... but thats hard to fix... usually when on (when aren't I..) I fight for the new players freqs.... untill they get their way into a vet freq then I show no mercy....

 

 

I've had the misfortune of experiencing a number of lame behaviors.  Today, for instance, a veteran player got !@#$%^&*igned to the public frequency I was on.  I managed to get four flags at least partway in a base.  No one managed to find it and fortunately no one was spec spying on me (good thing about sucking as a player, I guess) plus I dropped them in the #7 base which doesn't seem typically used for anything besides balling.  Anyway, not long after I had dropped the flags, one of the players on my own frequency suddenly switched frequencies, rushed in and snagged the flags before I realized what had happened.

Dunno... could have happenned but... lamers are seen in many flagging zones that have more than 2 distinct freqs

 

This is no better than an intentional TK and irked me enough that I called him out as a lamer on channel.  Immediately, a veteran group of players set out to harr!@#$%^&* me.

According to my logs... you kinda brought it on yourself....

 

I was flamed and even cursed at by players and none of the staff online at the time did anything to stop it.

I wasn't online... so I have to agree there, could have been better handled.

 

D1st0rt claimed to be a mod, though I didn't see his name on the list and egged on the people cursing and fLaming.  As a result, at least one new person who came on several minutes after I'd put the harr!@#$%^&*ers on ?ignore left.  There were several new people who came on last night who left because veteran players were repeatedly negging with their maxed-out ships.

You egged on a mod... that was dumb and would get you no respect what so ever.... ?listmod is there for a reason.. and no doubt you could have asked where the staff list was and someone would have answered

 

I found this frustrating as well.  I put in some good shots, took out a few Lancasters and got lucky a couple times, so I decided to try and ride it out, hoping I could get good enough to participate in the flagging so I could get the money to buy and max out a ship.

Not meant to max a ship in 1 day.... tho its possible that wasn't the reason for the zone being as it is...

 

Anyhow, that's not what happened.  I've seen all manner of lame behavior toward new guys in just the couple of days I've been on, not the least of which is cursing a player like me out and online moderators refusing to do anything to stop it.

As I said before... you insulted a mod and egged on the players. Same situation I woulda left you alone as staying on your side would have pissed off more people....

[Shrop]

Well in this zone you start from nothing when you are new, Which is So much differnt from anyother zone wich makes this zone hard for noobs. and i guess some people get out of control with there ships and slauder everthing insight.

But the reccers are the ones that ruin the noobs time here at HS. like you see people here with a rec of 100 wins...wich i bet i can say and is right that most of those ships are weak things. but i dont no what to say about it or try to make it better..cuase i know that everybody is trying there best to keep this zone from being -*BAD WORD*-, but what can we do

[1stStrike]

..so lets say me and a another person is Cloakin one specific 1bountyer...then all of the New Players pitch in and say Hey you !@#$%^&*head quit Cloakin you noob jesus..

Cloaking is part of the game. If it wasn't meant to be used, then it wouldn't be in the game. People in subspace just have too much to whine about.

[Shrop]

ah yes, good point proven, but yet its unbarable hearing it (the whiners)

[A_Mare_Who_Kicks]

Bah.... I'm on most of the day and well.... compared to what I've seen in other zones.... newbs are treated pretty well... (well better considering how much more help is needed in this style of zone).  Anyway.... weather or not we keep all new players I do care... unless of course the new players have some sort of problem that would end up bringing the zone down...

 

Examples of last type of noob being...

Madne$$ - Constant profanity, racism, and well... being an -*BAD WORD*- just to get the mods angry.

 

Others.. - Given a decent ammount of starter money (10k), helped out with ship setup, taught what flagging is.... etc.... just to turn around and complain about being killed and not being able to fully upgrade a ship their FIRST day....

 

Others 2 - Arguing against the current setup, complaining about sets, complaining about losing to a vet.... all this the first few days before finally leaving.

 

Anyway, enough complaining.  People do help... a LOT more than should be expected / needed.  Carrying on arguing about something or complaining of unfairness does nothing...  Sorry I can't say I have read the first post or anything yet but... I tend to forget what I'm thinking if I don't right it down.

 

EDIT: After reading the post...

 

Yeah, I know, people berate 'newbs' everywhere but this was over the top.  Of every zone I have been in, Hyperspace is the least friendly to new players.

Really? When I first got into continuum... I was harr!@#$%^&*ed in DBZ, TW, and EG till no end (well... got a few friends in dbz, EG was -*BAD WORD*-, then tw I found my calling in lasertag) This zone only seems a bit worse off as more factors are judged into harr!@#$%^&*ment (ship diffs, money diffs, knowledge diffs)

 

It isn't the design, layout or the way the game actually works -- those things are done very well, but the game and the veteran players are both heavily stacked against new players.

Quite true... but thats hard to fix... usually when on (when aren't I..) I fight for the new players freqs.... untill they get their way into a vet freq then I show no mercy....

 

 

I've had the misfortune of experiencing a number of lame behaviors.  Today, for instance, a veteran player got !@#$%^&*igned to the public frequency I was on.  I managed to get four flags at least partway in a base.  No one managed to find it and fortunately no one was spec spying on me (good thing about sucking as a player, I guess) plus I dropped them in the #7 base which doesn't seem typically used for anything besides balling.  Anyway, not long after I had dropped the flags, one of the players on my own frequency suddenly switched frequencies, rushed in and snagged the flags before I realized what had happened.

Dunno... could have happenned but... lamers are seen in many flagging zones that have more than 2 distinct freqs

 

This is no better than an intentional TK and irked me enough that I called him out as a lamer on channel.  Immediately, a veteran group of players set out to harr!@#$%^&* me.

According to my logs... you kinda brought it on yourself....

 

I was flamed and even cursed at by players and none of the staff online at the time did anything to stop it.

I wasn't online... so I have to agree there, could have been better handled.

 

D1st0rt claimed to be a mod, though I didn't see his name on the list and egged on the people cursing and fLaming.  As a result, at least one new person who came on several minutes after I'd put the harr!@#$%^&*ers on ?ignore left.  There were several new people who came on last night who left because veteran players were repeatedly negging with their maxed-out ships.

You egged on a mod... that was dumb and would get you no respect what so ever.... ?listmod is there for a reason.. and no doubt you could have asked where the staff list was and someone would have answered

 

I found this frustrating as well.  I put in some good shots, took out a few Lancasters and got lucky a couple times, so I decided to try and ride it out, hoping I could get good enough to participate in the flagging so I could get the money to buy and max out a ship.

Not meant to max a ship in 1 day.... tho its possible that wasn't the reason for the zone being as it is...

 

Anyhow, that's not what happened.  I've seen all manner of lame behavior toward new guys in just the couple of days I've been on, not the least of which is cursing a player like me out and online moderators refusing to do anything to stop it.

As I said before... you insulted a mod and egged on the players. Same situation I woulda left you alone as staying on your side would have pissed off more people....

Actually, you were online but apparantly you were idling as I private messaged you.

 

And I did nothing to provoke the mod, but he joined in the cursing and did nothing to stop the cursing done against me. When that happened, I took a jibe and put him on ignore. He chased off at least one new guy completely.

 

Whatever you heard about my carrying on the argument is b.s., as I ignored the profaners including your mod after several minutes, but they continued screaming to the wind I guess and that drove off a new guy. I was not participating at all, as I had put them on ignore several minutes before that new guy even signed on.

 

I'm a new player. I don't complain about getting killed, though it kinda sucks there isn't really anything that can be done to balance out a million dollar maxed out veteran's ship versus the starter ships. Negging isn't much fun.

 

Trench Wars doesn't have the problems because the most veteran player there will get their butt whooped by newbies fairly easily. Spec spying is outright illegal there (as it is in most zones) and the mods don't take kindly to folks who lame there. That's where I used to hang out a lot .... that and a DS9 zone that I guess vanished a long time ago. :/

 

I came to Hyperspace because it reminded me a bit of the DS9 zone in how it customizes its ships to give a definite feel of the small, agile fighters (sharks, warbirds, javs, etc.) up through the mother of all ships, the Lancaster which has lots of energy to absorb fire but isn't very maneuverable and players like me that are good at hit and run tactics can learn to deal with.

 

I learn quickly from dying in dogfights against seasoned players, but lameness kills the experience. Its very unsporting and it kills the fun for new guys like me. Laming in general needs to go, especially laming against new guys as it doesn't make it very fun for new guys. Imagine if you were in Trench Wars in a Weasel (cloaker) and someone was spec spying on you, taking away your only defense.

 

You don't even get such defenses in Hyper, only the vets with a million bucks can afford to max out even a single ship. The lamers and moderators who won't enforce the rules to protect new guys really need to go if you want more new guys to not just visit but to stay in the zone.

 

-- A Mare Who Kicks

[picano2.0]

Hmm... doesn't take a millinoaire to earn a maxed ship.

 

Official total of a max ship (all weapons that cant be lost all at max level)

 

$438,500

 

Then there is my jav with...

L3Guns, L1Bombs, 3 Repels, 1 Portals, 5 Recharge, 5 Energy, Xradar, Antiwarp, Bouncing Bullets, Antideath

 

$143,000

 

Ok. That is a pretty fine ship, can't eliminate lancs too easily... but with aim (or if you suck prox for an aditional $5k every 20 deaths... you can kill off a good bunch of the populous (disbarring terriers which can outrun you with ease)

 

Anyway...

 

Average kill in a shark can range from $75 - $400

max kills to max = 5,846

min kills to max(approx) = 1,096

 

Average goal = $150 - $1500

max goals to max= 2,923

min goals to max= 292

 

Figures are a bit... yeah... doesn't look good but as you upgrade (especially to my ships level) flagging will become easier.

 

That and from what I understand of doc... balling will be limited to pub freqs later on, this will help out quite a bit for newer players... so... yeah somewhat hard now but its being worked on.

[Shrop]

Im speachless...and confused

[picano2.0]

Same here shrop... same here... I have no idea why I went through all that calculator work.

[Shrop]

You proved one -*BAD WORD*- of a good point

[chocko_cc]

Okay i skipped most of it, because i'm kinda sick at the moment.

 

Anyways, my opinion, it really helps to know people and get friendly with them, they will share money with you and help you ball and you will eventually get on the good private freqs if you're good/needed =D. I still cant believe that people actually ASK me to get on their freq! =D

[»D1st0rt]

One thing: mare, I was telling EVERYONE to STFY, not just you. Telling me that I should stop "cursing" saying stfy is just absurd.

 

Ok, I lied, here's some more

Before you get a maxed ship, you should get accustomed to no more than a 30bty. Once you can be effective with one of those, you can be even better at a maxed ship. Also, mad lagg == 2 energy + 1 recharge

[A_Mare_Who_Kicks]

One thing: mare, I was telling EVERYONE to STFY, not just you. Telling me that I should stop "cursing" saying stfy is just absurd.

 

Ok, I lied, here's some more

Before you get a maxed ship, you should get accustomed to no more than a 30bty. Once you can be effective with one of those, you can be even better at a maxed ship. Also, mad lagg == 2 energy + 1 recharge

No, it was one-sided and you guys continued for quite awhile after I stopped saying anything and you wound up chasing a new guy off. You are miserable for a moderator, and I received several private messages from folks warning me that you are. You screamed your curses at me long after I stopped saying anything. You harr!@#$%^&* new players and there was no miscomprehension -- you didn't say 'drop it' or 'shut up' or 'let it go,' you used cursing -- not to mention the fact I stopped saying anything and you did nothing to stop the one-sided cursing harr!@#$%^&*ment.

 

You are childish, immature, and you harr!@#$%^&* new players. You don't belong as a moderator and I know I can never count on you for help, advice, or dealing with harr!@#$%^&*ers -- you join the harr!@#$%^&*ers in bullying new players. Fortunately, later on, I found some decent, professional and mature moderators like Nike.

[Bomook]

It's not the D1 I know to har!@#$%^&* new players. I think there was a lot of misunderstanding going on. D1... childish, immature? Nike... professional?... lol

 

Alright, but seriously, it's kinda a part of HS's culture to use STFY, and it's not offensive, nor does it mean anything bad. D1 probably meant it as a joke, so it shouldn't be considered har!@#$%^&*ment.

[Shrop]

Exactly, and i think the only words that the mods should be lookin out for is racist ones like when Maddne$$ is in the arena. or just lame combacks that consist of (example)Oh yeah your mom has a -*BAD WORD*-..

[FunkmastaD]

Well this actually is starting to make some real legitimate sense...kinda

Alrighty then...most people posting in here have really going points about HS so I'm going to add my 2 cents

 

First off most of our staff is kind to people unless you intentionally piss them off...basicly stating please try to abide by the rules of the zone and you will be treated fairly and with kindness.

 

People can be lame its true, but it shouldn't really deter you from succeeding in obtaining a high quality ship to use. It only take 450K to fully max a ship as picano has stated and it really only takes 50-100k to get a really decent ship to earn that money in. Also there are other ways to earn money, for now killing in a very low bounty ship will earn higher amounts that killing in a fully maxed ship, also only purchase 1 ship before branching out to make others, it will only slow your progress to attempt to make 4 ships at a time.

 

If you have a problem with a moderator then you bring it up with them, or another staff member online, or you do what you did and post about it. I'm very shocked and happy that someone actually did the mature thing about their problems

 

Oh and I think Ii helped you out a little while ago with a tiny grant..just to remind you

[1stStrike]

You're all wrong. I win. Now move along. No point in beating this over and over again. I think everyone gets the point.

[Darkflare]

Everyone, seriously stfy

[A_Mare_Who_Kicks]

Well this actually is starting to make some real legitimate sense...kinda

Alrighty then...most people posting in here have really going points about HS so I'm going to add my 2 cents

 

First off most of our staff is kind to people unless you intentionally piss them off...basicly stating please try to abide by the rules of the zone and you will be treated fairly and with kindness.

 

People can be lame its true, but it shouldn't really deter you from succeeding in obtaining a high quality ship to use. It only take 450K to fully max a ship as picano has stated and it really only takes 50-100k to get a really decent ship to earn that money in.  Also there are other ways to earn money, for now killing in a very low bounty ship will earn higher amounts that killing in a fully maxed ship, also only purchase 1 ship before branching out to make others, it will only slow your progress to attempt to make 4 ships at a time.

 

If you have a problem with a moderator then you bring it up with them, or another staff member online, or you do what you did and post about it.  I'm very shocked and happy that someone actually did the mature thing about their problems

 

Oh and I think Ii helped you out a little while ago with a tiny grant..just to remind you

D1 attacked me with zero provocation, I did nothing against him and it was definitely not meant light-hearted when he cursed at me AND joined those flaming me with other cursing for no reason. He did cause one person who just signed on to leave, saying they were disgusted with whatever they were discussing (not hard to imagine they were still cursing and flaming me).

 

CURSING -is- against the rules and if a moderator is going to break the rules against a new player, the moderator needs to go.

 

Further, Mess and Bak- have been illegally stalking me all day today. From the moment I logged on, Bak- stalked me no matter what zone I would go to. When I managed to get in to help defend my team's flags, he chased me in to kill me but still left the flags -- he is solely there to keep me from playing.

 

Mess later joined in and both Mess and Bak- began a long round of ballkilling (expressly illegal) against me intentionally, chasing me to any safe zone and in zone 5 safe zone, locking me in with antiwarp.