»Ducky Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 Of course is wont happen in the near future...Or.. Ever
Himura Kenshin Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 ea its funny they take out suddam becuase he was evil and was/had abbility to nuke america so they invade him but he had no nuclear weapons or anything wow. but you see sharon IS victimizing palestine and what can america say oh its not our problem.
Dr.Worthless Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 ea its funny they take out suddam becuase he was evil and was/had abbility to nuke america so they invade him but he had no nuclear weapons or anything wow. but you see sharon IS victimizing palestine and what can america say oh its not our problem. Yeah I know, can you believe it? What business did america have removing Saddam. He was practically jesus encarnate.
MonteZuma Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 The wall is a simple and inneffective response to a complicated problem. Anyone who understands terrorism and the history of the region (especially the last 60 or 70 years) would understand that the wall is a bandaid solution that is destined to fail in the long term. Righteous indignation is the core emotion of terrorists. The wall simply increases the Palestinian's sense of righteous indignation. It will not pacify them. It will anger them even more. The last nations on Earth that I want to lead a war, or even a battle, against terrorism are Israel or the USA.
Aileron Posted July 25, 2004 Author Report Posted July 25, 2004 You don't even really want to fight terrorism! The wall does hold Israel back a lot, mostly for political reasons. You see, they didn't just make a wall, they made a boundary. In making it, they really made the message: "Okay, we get everything to the west of this wall, you get everything to the east." Look, its not the wall itself thats the real issue. The real issue is that we have an option that debatably could or could not bring peace here. However, before the construction dust settled, the UN already made a decision that they did not support it. What happened to the logical debate? What about the carefull planning, or the attempts to see what this action could spell for the future? The real issue is that the UN didn't debate this at all - they just obeyed their pre-concieved biases and made a decision before thinking it through. Otherwise, the vote would have been more compe!@#$%^&*ive and would have taken a longer time to decide.
MasterDrake Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 Dang people how do you know which side even started this fued because you seem to just wanna go anti america/israel and pick america's ally because its the nearest target. Let them have there wall its there country and they can do what they want, frankly I think it will help the situation with all the terrorism attacks on israel. Would you really want at least 1 terrorist attack going on in your country everyday 365 days a year then someone comes along with a solution to stop it and u say no we like getting attacked and killed. Please put yourself in israels postion, the little guy isn't always right.
Dav Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 let me answer your question regarding who started it. This is fifficault to answer becuase the initial incident that started this can be seen either way depending on your viewpoint. Jews were mnoving to palistine since before the WWII to escape persicution, at this time palistine (which is now isreil) was an arab state with a majority arab nation. As the jewish population of palistine increaced there was much tention between the palistinian people who felt their land was being taken away and the jews who thought that had a right to be there as it is written as the "promised land" in their holy text. As tention grew a solution came in splitting palistine into two seperate countries, one half given to palistine and the other to the jews and thus isreail was born. When this happend an attack by the arab population was made adainst the newly formed nation iof israil hoever due to their superior firepower the jews won this battle and also won the half of modern israil that bolonged to palistine. Years later israil invaided parts of egypt, jordan (the west bank) and Syria (Golan heights), this attack was not provoked but these territories were occupied anyway which is against international law. Eventually the part of egypt that was occupied was returned (except for the gaza strip) but today the west bank and the golan heights still remian occupied by isreil. In the past there have been many attempts to resolve this issue with peacful talks. The closest to solving the issue was in 1993 hosted by bill clinton in which the israili leader and the leader of the PLO (palistinian liberation organisation (nb: this is not the terrorist group)) in which (this figure may be wrong) 83% of the west bank, the largest proportion so far, was offerd to the palistinians for peace but this was turned gdown as none of jereuslam was offerd. From there it has all gone down hill, with the faliure to gain peace the hard line leader arial sharon was elected to power and the situation has been getting worse since. Its also worth mentioning that the palistinians have tried peasful resistance. This was knon as the "intifada" (sp) in which palistinans refused to obey cerfeus and restrictions placed upon them however this was met by violance. The terrorist group Hamas (responcible for most terrorist attacks in israil today) has put up alot of resistance and made countless attacks on isreil. The israli govrnment does over react to these, one teorist attck had lead to attach helicopters, troops and tanks deverstating refugee camps killing inncoent people and destroying the little these people have. Homes have been destroyed because the occupent is "suspected" of coordinating attacks. This retailaiton had increaced tention over the years and i believe causes more young people who are surrounded by this violence to join hamas. I hope that helps you see who started this, as has been said before the UN has a resolution agains israil demanding immidiate withdrawl from the west bank and gaza strip buy years later it has still been ignored. Now i will say why this wall is bad. As israil occupied the west bank and gaza with jewish settlements in these areas, the supply to food and water has been taken away from palistinian people as has the oppertunity to work to survive. Many palistinians need to enter israil to buy much needed commodities and food as well as work so they can buy these things. The wall will make it impossible to do so making the peoblem worse still.
Dr.Worthless Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 The last nations on Earth that I want to lead a war, or even a battle, against terrorism are Israel or the USA. Unfortunatly, it seems we're the only nation willing to spend major $$ and send massive number of troops to the cause. The UN isn't serious about stopping terrorism. If they were the "war against terror" would have started a LONG time ago, see'ing that europe has been dealing with terrorism far longer than North America (on a grand scale.)
Dav Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 bombing palistinans ard responding with violanden will not solve the problem. Peasefull talks lwading to israil listening to the UN will go a long way towards stopping it.
Himura Kenshin Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 Let them have there wall its there country and they can do what they want, frankly I think it will help the situation with all the terrorism attacks on israel. Would you really want at least 1 terrorist attack going on in your country everyday 365 days a year then someone comes along with a solution to stop it and u say no we like getting attacked and killed. Please put yourself in israels postion, the little guy isn't always right.No you dont get it do you? If we dont do something isreal will just kill the aplestiniens off. And no isreal is waay off right. Their taking land palestineien/arabs have had for thousands of years. They dont deserve land that they steal from people who dont have technology to protect them selfs. As dav said isreal constanly is taking away families becuase they suspect they were responsible pfft lol they just go out and bomb them. Sharon is the worste ever dictator isreal has had and is full of -*BAD WORD*-. Also this is EVERYONES problem just becuase it isnt in our country doesnt mean you can look away from it say theyll settle it out. NO becuase that is not true people should be helping donationt o people who have lost their families and homes. i donated 2000$ last month to feed 2 families.
Dr.Worthless Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 Donate 2000 to the pay worthless through college fund. Worthless is alot cooler than those palestinians anyway.
A Soldier Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 Donate 2000 to the pay worthless through college fund. Worthless is alot cooler than those palestinians anyway.how about this: a penny for your thoughts, a dollar to stfu (jk)
Dr.Worthless Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 Rofl, Paypal me 1.01 and i'll gladly disappear
Himura Kenshin Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 lol sorry but id rather see them live -*BAD WORD*- wipe. im muslim their muslim ill gldady pay more to help them
Himura Kenshin Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 -*BAD WORD*- no and dont consider your self muslim cuse i know your not
Himura Kenshin Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 Donate 2000 to the pay worthless through college fund. Worthless is alot cooler than those palestinians anyway.thats how i know.
Himura Kenshin Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 oh almost off them are though. re-*BAD WORD*- and you said crew all of them
Dr.Worthless Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 Huh? Here is where I would make fun of your english, but I'm waitin on my 2k.
A Soldier Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 technicly, everyone is a Muslim at birth, but you must recognise it and commit to Islam.
MonteZuma Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 You see, they didn't just make a wall, they made a boundary. In making it, they really made the message: "Okay, we get everything to the west of this wall, you get everything to the east." Look, its not the wall itself thats the real issue. The real issue is that we have an option that debatably could or could not bring peace here. However, before the construction dust settled, the UN already made a decision that they did not support it. What happened to the logical debate? What about the carefull planning, or the attempts to see what this action could spell for the future? The real issue is that the UN didn't debate this at all - they just obeyed their pre-concieved biases and made a decision before thinking it through. Otherwise, the vote would have been more compe!@#$%^&*ive and would have taken a longer time to decide.So if Canada, without negotiating anything, built a wall across the 40th parallel and said "right...we've built a wall. We'll take what's on our side of the wall and you take whats on your side of the wall"....Then the US should be cool with that? Heh. It is ridiculous to think that building a wall and annexing territory will pacify anyone. For the Palestinians, the wall itself is becoming one of 'the' issues. The wall will not bring peace. The UN realises this. The US and 5 other governments don't. 144 nations however do realise how ridiculous it is. Logical debate doesn't happen principally because the US is involved. The US is not very good at logical debate when it comes to Israel. The UN as a whole is a lot wiser than the US. You think that because almost the whole world disagrees with the US that the whole world must be wrong? Sheesh. Be a little bit more introspective.
MonteZuma Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 Let them have there wall its there country and they can do what they want, frankly I think it will help the situation with all the terrorism attacks on israel. Would you really want at least 1 terrorist attack going on in your country everyday 365 days a year then someone comes along with a solution to stop it and u say no we like getting attacked and killed. Please put yourself in israels postion, the little guy isn't always right."Palestine", including the West Bank, Gaza Strip and the occupied territories are not Israel's country. They were originally Arab territory (Egypt, Jordan, Syria). There were Arabs/Muslims living in "Israel" before it became a Jewish state. It is "their" country too. The wall is not a "solution". The benefit that I have is that I am not in Israel's position. I haven't been raised in a climate of fear and hatred as the Palestinians and Israelis have. I haven't taken sides based on emotion. I've taken sides based on facts and what I see as natural justice. The history behind this conflict is complicated but unambiguos. No-one is innocent in this. But I think that the nations that are contributing most to the perpetuation of the problem TODAY are the US and Israel.
Dav Posted July 26, 2004 Report Posted July 26, 2004 Logical debate doesn't happen principally because the US is involved. The US is not very good at logical debate when it comes to Israel. The UN as a whole is a lot wiser than the US. You think that because almost the whole world disagrees with the US that the whole world must be wrong? Sheesh. Be a little bit more introspective.i thought it was usually only the US to call the vito when action against israil was beinbg taken. Of course the way the UN works is if the US vitos then regardless of the other votes the resolution will not pass
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