Aileron Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 Recently, the UN general !@#$%^&*embly has voted 150 to 6 that Israel should tear down the wall they just constructed. I think the UN needs to wake up a little. Israel has already tried a handfull of things. We have tried peace plan after peace plan, and none of them made any effective progress. Now, the Israelis decided to build a big concrete wall. I don't like this idea more than anyone else, but I view it as the best alternative available - certainly better than invading Palestine. I think the problem with this wall is that people !@#$%^&*ociate it to the Berlin wall and then to the Cold War. The problem with that reasoning is that we WANT the situation between Israel and Palestine to be a cold war. A cold war is an improvement upon a hot war. The Berlin War did made bad things - but one good thing it did do was prevent an eventual border dispute between the Democracies and the Soviets. Some people also to to !@#$%^&*ociate, by thinking what would happen if they set up a wall between the upper and lower class sections of their city. They view this as putting the wall around the ghetto so that the rich snobs don't have to look at it. The only difference is that in this city, a few members of the ghetto come out and kill a dozen of the rich snobs every other day. Rich people have as much a right to life as poor people. Thus, we need to save the lives of the Israelis, whether or not they are richer than the Palestinians. Being classist is wrong, but is in not also wrong to condemn a bunch of civilians to dealth so that we can pat ourselves on the back and say "we are not classist"? I mean, I can see how this is going to create problems. Walls are bad for economies, freedoms, and have good way of making people on one side isolate themselves from the other. However, what you must remember is that it is a warzone down there, and there aren't a lot of options left. Putting up this wall is going to do a lot more to end this conflict than the innumeral peace talks that never historically worked. Well, Israel isn't going to listen to the UN for sure. If the UN meant anything, they would have destroyed Hamas long ago. If the UN is incapable of dealing with one terrorist organization, why should Israel make the effort to please them? I previously mentioned the US' needs for allies better suited to the War on Terror. Israel is in a similar situation. They could get European support if they tried, but why bother? Europe only has conventional armies, and Israel has more conventional forces than they need. They need allies who have more in the way of anti-terrorist forces. Maybe they would tear down their wall to gain an ally such as that. However, they really of no reason to vie for UN support.
Dr Brain Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 The UN will kill itself before long. The league of nations did the same thing because of WWII.
candygirl Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 Do you know the histor of the Israel and Palestine? And i am not talking about what you see on the news.
50% Packetloss Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 Don't pay attention to what the UN does. They are a feckless organization that has failed to uphold thier charter.
Himura Kenshin Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 -*BAD WORD*- thats bull. Isreal is just trying to steal out palestine from them. they keep saying they owned the land which was bull too. Now they are trying to keep palestinines out? There is a mosque in Isreal over thousands of years old it is one of the most important mosques we muslims have. I dont want to see anymore wars mostly becuase plestine doesnt have any decent weapons to fight with besides 40 year olds weaponery given to them. They say that the palestinien are doing horrible things to the isrealies by suiciding but you still have to see both sides to it. Why would the palestinien go out and suicide for no reason? The isrealies took away alot of plaestinien lives for no reason so what they were throwing rocks you dont have to go and kill everyone of them you could use beenbag guns like in america. Well im trying to say that this w!@#$%^&* will cuase more damage if anything and the palestiniens would rpobably wage war against isreal besfore they know what hit them and call it jihad becuase in my eyes i would see it as jihad trying to get our mosque back.
sunnyd Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 Buddy isreal and palestine gonna fight till the last one dies. They can never have peace. Its in its histroy go read! Himura Kenshin Im with ya
Bacchus Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 down with the wall!! Just give the palestinians a state ffs. End this war... I'm quite sure most irsaelite would agree to some sort of peace anyway...same for palestinians. Sharon is a pig. -*BAD WORD*-, UN still vote 150 to 6 for it and some are still arguing it's not "upholding their charts"...ahaha. I think the problem with this wall is that people !@#$%^&*ociate it to the Berlin wall and then to the Cold War. The real problem is that the most conservative branch of israelite power wants to expand israel on palestinians land because it's a divine right, it's about land and power. They want the palestinians to bow down. It's downright supression, hence the fighting. Do you think terrorism appears out of nothingness??? for the sheer fun of it? -*BAD WORD*- that, it's happening because a lot of people are repressed -*BAD WORD*- it...what the -*BAD WORD*- isn't clear about that?!
MasterDrake Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 No, they were fighting over holy lands, the palenstines said -*BAD WORD*- it and blew it up which I would of done myself. Isreal recently took alot of Palestine's land when they got tired of all the bull -*BAD WORD*- terrorism and they Palestine started crying saying they didn't do a thing to deserve it. Even before the news in this middle eastern region Isreal was having a great difficulty with terrorism, and they are actually the ones who have been training our military forces and a local law officals in how to deal with it. I really think that the wall is a good thing to keep out unwanted dangerous persons, There will surely be a gate in the wall allowing people to p!@#$%^&* across the border it will just be more secure so they can let the people they inspect to be safe into the country and the people that are not out its not any different then what the USA does with its borders I mean its not perfect but it cuts down alot on unwanted visitors. The UN's decesion is just a suggestion they have no power to order them to a thing. I believe the UN should focus on more important things that the middle east there alot more then just wars there going on, for instance the starving North Koreans most likely brought on by massive spending into a nuclear program I would blame it on. Anyways thats it for me at this moment.
Bacchus Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 No, they were fighting over holy lands,That's precisely what i was saying. the wall is a good thing to keep out unwanted dangerous persons FFS, What part do you NOT understand? the question you need to ask is wtf there's dangerous person for those inside the city walls in the first place? Why are USA so hated? why israel is being suicide bombed? Maybe, just maybe those people bombing themselves up are trying to make a point??
MasterDrake Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 1. If you noticed that your post was 3 minutes before mine please note that I was typing while you were typing you just got down first2. Please rephrase your second comment because I cannot understand what you are trying to say. TY O and this time try to do it without the profanity then people wont think your 14.
A Soldier Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 Just give the palestinians a state ffs. End this war...Yeah. The UN can't intervene directly. Why? They could... If it was a state vs state problem. But Palestine is a territory...
Bacchus Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 O and this time try to do it without the profanity then people wont think your 14. I like using profanities, most of us do. second comment: You need to ask yourself why some palestinians became dangerous for the security of israelis. Then maybe you'll understand that folks don't bomb themselves up for the sheer pleasure of it. clearer now? if this is still too complicated here's a hint: repression.
Himura Kenshin Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 exactly the only reason palestiniens are strapping bombs to them and killing them selfs in the rpoccess is becuase they most likely have had their WHOLE family die from isreal. Hundreds of palestinien kids 10 and under are orphans daily becuase of isreal bombing their homes. Doy ou think that most of the middle east is born hating isreal no! Its becuase isreal takes awayt heir family and friends. Now you see im not saying all isrealites are bad becuase i remember a while back alot of soldiers quit the isreal army becuase they finally figured it out. This wall will cuase way more damage you will see it will. Muslis will not tolerate not beeing able to go to one of the most holy sites for us that has been there for thousands of years becuase some power hungry dicator wants more land. Oh and by the way the only reason middle east totaly hates america is becuase america supplies isreal witht hier weapons and gives jack -*BAD WORD*- tot hem to protect thems elfs from isreal.
Yupa Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 Israel and Palestine are both full of re-*BAD WORD*-s. I don't give a -*BAD WORD*- what either of those two psychotically ignorant states do, as long as they don't play with nukes.
Bacchus Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 Israel and Palestine are both full of re-*BAD WORD*-s. I don't give a -*BAD WORD*- what either of those two psychotically ignorant states do, as long as they don't play with nukes. I don't know about palestine but i was under the impressions that USA and Israel were both full of re-*BAD WORD*-s and psychotically ignorant states...oh and they can play with nukes <_<
BG Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 Let's see. How useful is this wall anyway? Attacks continue on both sides of the wall, even IF in a slightly less violent way. Nearly every day an attack occurs, and the other retaliates, in the same day. If the wall was built to stop this, they need to make it a good 500 feet taller and 5-6 miles wider.
Yupa Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 I don't know about palestine but i was under the impressions that USA and Israel were both full of re-*BAD WORD*-s...and?and psychotically ignorant states..."state" as in an independently governed area, a countryoh and they can play with nukesthey have nuclear power, but if they used it the whole world would beat their !@#$%^&*es it's not the same thing
Slowking Man Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 UN's a joke.Agreed. Sudan on the Human Rights Commission? Ludicrous. Might want to read this speech; it really takes the U.N. to task on its rabid anti-Jewish bias. I wonder how they plan to stop Israel from building the wall? Invade? Oops, the U.S. and Britain won't do it. I'd just love to see the French try to invade Israel.
Himura Kenshin Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 rofl that article is bull the guy who made it is jewish.
Yupa Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 I wonder how they plan to stop Israel from building the wall? Invade? Oops, the U.S. and Britain won't do it. I'd just love to see the French try to invade Israel. ...Israel is PART OF the United Nations... :syrus: :frusciante: :steve:
Aileron Posted July 24, 2004 Author Report Posted July 24, 2004 I know there is a repression issue, and I thought I mentioned it, Bacchus. My point is that before that can be helped, the blood feud has to stop. A wall is a good way to do that. If the wall is up, Hamas has a ton of difficulty getting in Israel, and Israel would have a ton of difficulty rallying an advance. Yes, it would be nice to be able to sit down and decide who is right here. We have that luxery, but the people who count don't - they need to worry about the mutual daily attacks. In order for them to decide how to live next to each other, they need a little time to breath. The wall could possibly give them this. It may render both sides from being able to attack each other, especially if the Palestinians play things smart and fortify THEIR side of the wall with what military they have. I'd like to compare this to the situation between North and South Korea. This wall probably won't bring true peace, but it will probably bring atleast some kind of truce.
Himura Kenshin Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 Aileron this wall would onyl help isreal since they are able to do arial attacks and palestine has no abbility to stop them.
Dav Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 i know i am a little late with this reply but it will never happen so long as sharon is in power. The UN can demand what it wants in terms of israil but noone is going to enforce it and if they try through the UN it will be vitoed by the US as any propsal of action against israil has been and will be. The solution of this is simple, israil pulls out of the west bank and gaza and hands it over to the palistinian people as it had been asked to by the UN since it occupied those areas. Of course is wont happen in the near future so other solutions must be found.
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