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[Dr.Worthless]

Holy mother of jesus, I am going to make so many people sound rediculous with this post that I'm *almost* ashamed to post it. (GET READY FOR A NOVEL)

 

Ok, I'm posting replies/links as I read posts.

 

- suspected of having rigged the 2000's elections

Suspected can be replaced with "-*BAD WORD*- rumor that liberals like to start". Seriously dude, you believe they rigged a vote? That was 4 years ago, move on. All the African Americans that were denied their vote were ex-felons that DID NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND RE-REGISTER AFTER BEING RELEASED FROM PRISON. They were on a list of convicted felons, thus their voting right revoked. Even if something fishy was going on (which we will truely never know, IT WAS 4 YEARS AGO) I sure as -*BAD WORD*- dont want a convicted felon voting for who's going to run my country.

 

- lied about the reasons of going to war against Iraq

 

G!@#$%^&*ed Kurds There's your proof that he had "WMD's". Piles of kurdish corpses is kinda a hard thing to ignore. Yes, people claim that his capability to produce wmd's was diminished after the first gulf war. Guess what folks, WE NEVER WENT INTO BAGHDAD. Nothing kept him from stashing away weapons, and/or moving them when he knew american invasion was eminent. Remember all the grief Hans got, Saddam not allowing him into palaces until HE was ready for him to go there. Yeah, Ok.

 

 

 

--> war in Iraq costs the american people 3.9 billion a month

Yep, War costs money. If you're concerned about the cost, please write whatever government officials you have in Canada and urge them to pledge support to the United States.

 

 

 

- biggest deficit seen during the great depression

 

I love how liberals throw this around like it is serious ammunition. I'm also appaled that you bought this. Having been old enough to listen to some of the stories that my grandfather had to tell about the Great Depression (He was born in 1922) his family had no money for food, and they lived off what his father could hunt. Sorry, don't compare whats going on now to what went on during the great depression, it's an insult to my dead grandfather, and an insult to all the citizens of the United States that made it through that time and kept the nation intact.

 

- against gay marriages

Wow, it just so happens this is an issue your poster boy Kerry has flip flopped on, lets look shall we? Kerry Gay Marriage Flip Flop Some interesting points in that article.

 

n 1996, a less compromising Kerry gave an imp!@#$%^&*ioned 10-minute speech on the Senate floor against an effort in Congress to define marriage only as a union between a man and a woman:

 

Thats right, in 96 he was against the idea. Now out of convinence he's changed his mind. (Wow, that seems to be a re-occuring thing.)

 

Time to move on to the next supportless post.

 

 

 

 

-let see, all of the people who worked for these companies got their jobs outsourced:

 

ROFL, and You claim that Bush is to blaim for the outsourcing. Outsourcing occurs because developing countries are close to 20 years behind the United States in terms of pay scale. So they can pay workers there pennies on the dollar. A computer engineer in India works for 20-30k a year. Here in the US they work for 100-120k a year. So you're trying to sell me on the fact that Bush is at fault for PEOPLE IN INDIA WORKING FOR LESS MONEY??. Yeah ok, rofl. If ANYONE is at fault (which no one is, this is called "how capitalism works") It would be the economy the clinton administration fostered, that is a fake one based on .com business that had no real $$. Yep, when all that went bust we called that the "Tech bubble burst". I just noticed Polix blamed it on Bush, none the less shame on you both.

 

 

 

You think the soilders in iraq have it bad now? I am in the military and since bush has been in office we been getting better funding, pay raises, better resources and equipment. Kerry wants to downsize the military and cut our funding, he was a navy liutenant only thing he would of saw which I believe he is a navy pilot was some air and ground and the bombs he dropped.

Oh my god you have no clue what our military will look like if Kerry gets the election. Here's a list of just SOME of his voting record pertaining to the military.

 

In 1991 Kerry voted to cut defense spending by 2 percent. Only 21 other senators voted with Kerry, and the defense cut was defeated.

 

In 1991, Kerry voted to cut over $3 billion from defense and shift the funds to social programs. Only 27 senators joined Kerry in voting for the defense cut.

 

In 1992, Kerry voted to cut $6 billion from defense. Republicans and Democrats alike successfully blocked this attempt to cut defense spending.

 

In 1993, Kerry voted against increased defense spending for a military pay raise.

 

Full Kerry Military Voting Record

 

Livewire is next on the list.

 

Did you not notice that there is more terrorism today than there was 5 years ago? That there is a universal increase in every region of the world? We're winning you say?

 

OF COURSE THERE ARE MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS. Holy -*BAD WORD*- out of all the propoganda I hear from the left, this is the most appauling. What do you expect terrorist to do about a nation that flat out says "we're coming for you". Do you expect them to say "oh gosh golly darn, the USA is after us I guess we just better give up". WAKE UP PEOPLE. These terrorist hate everything about us, they are out to kill our nation, our ideologies, us, our dogs, EVERYTHING ABOUT US. They will not go silently and wait for their demise, rest !@#$%^&*ured they will be fighting us tooth and nail.

 

 

We don't need another Clinton? Not another economic expansion!

Not another economy based on outragious wages and fake security! No seriously, it was just bad luck that all those .coms went under and everyone has lost their jobs. Its just a fluke that all those folks that got hired at 100k+ salaries during the 90's are losing their jobs to qualified indians/chinese that will work for 1/3 of that. Oh wait sorry I forgot, thats bush's fault.

 

 

 

Clinton lied about having sex. Bush came into office having decided to attack Iraq and conveniently arranged for a reason to do so.

 

Hey, I wish I could just slander people. LiveWire came on this board to malisiously ruin President Bush's name by claiming to know his intentions for the presidency. LiveWire registered on these forums having decided to hack into the server hosting it, and carry out malicious attacks on its users. (He really doesn't have this intention (that I know of) I'm just making a point).

 

Your other posts are well articulated and mostly on base, so i'll give you credit for those. Please supress the propoganda machine from rearing its ugly head.

 

 

 

NOW FOR MY OPINIONS, YES!!!!!!!!!

 

I'd vote for Kerry if not for these reasons.

 

1.) Long history of anti-military voting. In the situatoin we have right now, the last thing we need is an anti-war activist in his actions and his voting history running the country.

 

2.) The dude wore flip-flops in the 60's and he's still flip-flopping 40 years later. Seriously, this dude flips and flops more than fishes out of water.

 

3.) He talks the talk, but when it gets down to it he will be just as catering to big business as our current president has. He has a -*BAD WORD*- special interest group for a wife, for christ sakes.

 

I'm voting for Bush for these reasons.

 

1.) WMD's or no WMD's, the world is a safer place without Saddam. Anyone opposed to that statement supports rape, pillage, suppression, genocide, etc.

 

2.) What we're seeing right now on the economic front is a natural equilibrium. The 90's was defined by extravagant wages to fit the extravagant dreams that all the IT companies were built on. When everyone found out that the foundation of these companies were just that, dreams, the whole -*BAD WORD*- thing fell through. People are going to have to get used to working for a salary under 100k. Those salaries were rarely seen before the IT explosion.

 

3.) Neither candidate will stop outsourcing. Outsourcing is the result of a globalized economy, and the nature of capitalism.

 

4.) The US is in a recovery.

 

Reasons I'm tempted to never vote again, and move to Australia.

 

1.) Both parties are in the pockets of big business. As someone mentioned before, the real power is held in congress. Big business has congress in their pockets, as a result big business writes the rule book. A sociology professor I had made an excellent analogy. Lets play a game of monopoly. Corporations start out with $5000, boardwalk, parkplace, all the green and yellow properties, and the rulebook. Average Joe Blow starts out with 500 bucks. Poverty man starts out with 50 bucks. Who do you think is gonna win the game of monopoly?

 

2.) I've never seen such a huge push for power in my whole life. It seems like EVERY -*BAD WORD*- STATION I TURN TO HAS SOME LIBERAL PROPOGANDA MACHINE PREACHING TO THE massES ON HOW BUSH IS TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING. Seriously, I'm getting sick of it. Sad thing is 95% of the citizens of the United states would eat a dried up cat turd if you told them it was a milky way bar, and like it.

 

There's the end of my novel, hoped you enjoyed the read.

[Aileron]

My only point of contestation is the last one. The American people is quickly beginning to not listen to the media, because they see how ridiculous it is. I remember that Swarzenegger had a ton of media attack on him, and every attack they made actually boosted his polls.

[Ancient Power]

Dr.Worth less:

 

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ROFL, and You claim that Bush is to blaim for the outsourcing. Outsourcing occurs because developing countries are close to 20 years behind the United States in terms of pay scale. So they can pay workers there pennies on the dollar. A computer engineer in India works for 20-30k a year. Here in the US they work for 100-120k a year. So you're trying to sell me on the fact that Bush is at fault for PEOPLE IN INDIA WORKING FOR LESS MONEY??. Yeah ok, rofl. If ANYONE is at fault (which no one is, this is called "how capitalism works") It would be the economy the clinton administration fostered, that is a fake one based on .com business that had no real $$. Yep, when all that went bust we called that the "Tech bubble burst". I just noticed Polix blamed it on Bush, none the less shame on you both."

 

I never said Bush was to be BLAMED for outsourcing ITSELF. I'm saying he hasnt done -*BAD WORD*- to control it. Btw, dont put up BS examples like all those so called jobs created. If this outsourcing CRAP keeps up, only 2 situations can occur:

 

-A huge gap between the poor and the rich

-98% unemployment rate with the other 2% being rich as -*BAD WORD*- white-collered jobs, government officials and infrastructure. Which will end up not working at all because the unemployed will have no money to BUY the stuff that the rich produce

 

That will happen sooner or later if outsourcing keeps up

[Ancient Power]

I'd vote for Kerry if not for these reasons.

 

1.) Long history of anti-military voting. In the situatoin we have right now, the last thing we need is an anti-war activist in his actions and his voting history running the country.

An anti-war activist is EXACTLY what we need to change our focus to the situation at home.

 

2.) The dude wore flip-flops in the 60's and he's still flip-flopping 40 years later. Seriously, this dude flips and flops more than fishes out of water.

 

If you really think Kerry flip-flops, your probably one of those % of the americans who can't understand half of the words he uses.

 

3.) He talks the talk, but when it gets down to it he will be just as catering to big business as our current president has. He has a -*BAD WORD*- special interest group for a wife, for christ sakes.

your point being?

 

I'm voting for Bush for these reasons.

 

1.) WMD's or no WMD's, the world is a safer place without Saddam. Anyone opposed to that statement supports rape, pillage, suppression, genocide, etc.

 

sure it may be SOMEWHAT safe, but it would be ALOT MORE safer to the americans directly if the money had been used to target countries and groups that posed real and imminent threats. I.E. NK and all those terrorist groups. In fact, going to Iraq just stirred up more terrorism. We should've just focused on Afghan and left the rest of the world alone.

 

2.) What we're seeing right now on the economic front is a natural equilibrium. The 90's was defined by extravagant wages to fit the extravagant dreams that all the IT companies were built on. When everyone found out that the foundation of these companies were just that, dreams, the whole -*BAD WORD*- thing fell through. People are going to have to get used to working for a salary under 100k. Those salaries were rarely seen before the IT explosion.

equilibrium my -*BAD WORD*-, equilibrium is when there's a balance between the rich and the poor. As of right now, and you know it, the gap between the rich and the poor have increased dramatically during the Bush years. Quit obsessing over the IT crap, people need to focus more on the now.

 

3.) Neither candidate will stop outsourcing. Outsourcing is the result of a globalized economy, and the nature of capitalism.

 

True, but oursourcing can be limited

 

4.) The US is in a recovery.

from what?

 

Reasons I'm tempted to never vote again, and move to Australia.

Corporations start out with $5000, boardwalk, parkplace, all the green and yellow properties, and the rulebook. Average Joe Blow starts out with 500 bucks. Poverty man starts out with 50 bucks. Who do you think is gonna win the game of monopoly?

 

Didnt you praise capitalism a few minutes ago?

 

2.) I've never seen such a huge push for power in my whole life. It seems like EVERY -*BAD WORD*- STATION I TURN TO HAS SOME LIBERAL PROPOGANDA MACHINE PREACHING TO THE massES ON HOW BUSH IS TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING. Seriously, I'm getting sick of it. Sad thing is 95% of the citizens of the United states would eat a dried up cat turd if you told them it was a milky way bar, and like it.

 

kinda obvious conservatives would view the media as liberal.

[Santino]

I really feel that a vote for Kerry will do us no real good. . .not that I will vote for Bush.

I believe we went into Iraq because we thought we could. Why? to make money. . (not on Oil for the overall US . . . but for a select fews pockets).

We went in to make money for the large groups that pay money directly into our candiates coffers.

We went in so we could give all the best contracts to US companies. . companies that no doubt put money in Bush and Kerrys pockets.

We went in not for a single american, because as an American we lost. . we went in to make money for the rich.

We killed 10,000 citizens (UK estimate) and 700+American soliders so that comapnies like halbourten could make more money.

WMD was the excuse. . they wanted to go to war, and there was money to be made but they needed an excuse.

I do not believe, for an instant, that going into Iraq has made any iraqi or american safer.

oh, and Kerry voted yes to. . .so to me he is in on it just like Bush.

Based on this. . I really have some doubts about democrarcy today.

(not that places like France are any better. . .they didn't want us to go in because they were already making money there).

[A Soldier]

Suspected can be replaced with "-*BAD WORD*- rumor that liberals like to start". Seriously dude' date=' you believe they rigged a vote? That was 4 years ago, move on. All the African Americans that were denied their vote were ex-felons that DID NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND RE-REGISTER AFTER BEING RELEASED FROM PRISON. They were on a list of convicted felons, thus their voting right revoked. Even if something fishy was going on (which we will truely never know, IT WAS 4 YEARS AGO) I sure as -*BAD WORD*- dont want a convicted felon voting for who's going to run my country.[/quote']

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/elections/results.htm

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=122&row=1

http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta.html <- animation

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/112101a.html

 

Thoses are few links I managed to find. They are countless websites about the subject, I suggest you read thoses and tell me what you think after.

 

"That was 4 years ago, move on." Oh come on... it's acceptable for you to say that because it was 4 years ago that he stole the elections, we should'nt mind? What if he tries to rig it again?

 

G!@#$%^&*ed Kurds There's your proof that he had "WMD's". Piles of kurdish corpses is kinda a hard thing to ignore. Yes' date=' people claim that his capability to produce wmd's was diminished after the first gulf war. Guess what folks, WE NEVER WENT INTO BAGHDAD. Nothing kept him from stashing away weapons, and/or moving them when he knew american invasion was eminent. Remember all the grief Hans got, Saddam not allowing him into palaces until HE was ready for him to go there. Yeah, Ok.[/quote']

There is no evident proof Saddam gazed the Kurds... perhaps he did, but others suspect Iran did so. If Iran really g!@#$%^&*ed the Kurds in 1988, then you are the victim of your own propaganda.

http://100777.com/doc/648

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/2003/02/000294.html

What if Saddam did gas the Kurds though? Do you know Henry Kissinger? He asked the Kurds to help the US overthrow Saddam, only to betray them later in 1975.

Covert action should not be confused with missionary work

Wow, congratulations. Now if Saddam g!@#$%^&*ed them, shouldn't they feel at least a little responsible because of this betrayal? And didn't he get power with the help of the CIA?

Oct. 7, 1959 -- On Baath assassination team that ambushes Iraqi strongman Gen. Abdel-Karim K!@#$%^&*em in Baghdad, wounding him. Saddam, wounded in leg, flees to Syria then Egypt.

 

[This was not the only attempt to !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*inate K!@#$%^&*em. In April 1960, the CIA approved using a poisoned handkerchief to kill K!@#$%^&*em. The "handkerchief was duly dispatched to K!@#$%^&*em, but whether or not it ever reached him, it certainly did not kill him." (Thomas Powers, The Man Who Kept the Secrets: Richard Helms and the CIA, New York: Knopf, 1979, p. 130.)]

 

Feb. 8, 1963 -- Returns from Egypt after Baath takes part in coup that overthrows and kills K!@#$%^&*em. Baath ousted by military in November.

 

[The coup was backed by the CIA.

 

"As its instrument the C.I.A. had chosen the authoritarian and anti-Communist Baath Party, in 1963 still a relatively small political faction influential in the Iraqi Army. According to the former Baathist leader Hani Fkaiki, among party members colluding with the C.I.A. in 1962 and 1963 was Saddam Hussein....

 

"According to Western scholars, as well as Iraqi refugees and a British human rights organization, the 1963 coup was accompanied by a bloodbath. Using lists of suspected Communists and other leftists provided by the C.I.A., the Baathists systematically murdered untold numbers of Iraq's educated elite -- killings in which Saddam Hussein himself is said to have participated. No one knows the exact toll, but accounts agree that the victims included hundreds of doctors, teachers, technicians, lawyers and other professionals as well as military and political figures." (Roger Morris, "A Tyrant 40 Years in the Making," New York Times, March 14, 2003, p. A29.)]

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cf...=15&ItemID=4685

 

Scott Ritter, former UN inspector, believes Iraq was not a threat to the United States. Weapons of M!@#$%^&* Destructions were an excuse to invade Iraq, because they have none! And hey, if they ever find any... were you there when the US sold WMDs to Iraq in the '80s?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0305-01.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/08/ritter.iraq/

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp

 

And Jeesus -*BAD WORD*-ing Christ, can you tell me what the -*BAD WORD*- is that?

http://www.ccmep.org/usbombingwatch/2002.html

 

Yep' date=' War costs money. If you're concerned about the cost, please write whatever government officials you have in Canada and urge them to pledge support to the United States.[/quote']

Rest !@#$%^&*ured that I will. I am sure the canadian government will be pleased to fund a war that is about petro-politics. I'll keep you in touch Who's going to pay for your war btw? Them? <-- link.

 

QUOTE (Soldier) 

- biggest deficit seen during the great depression

 

 

 

I love how liberals throw this around like it is serious ammunition. I'm also appaled that you bought this. Having been old enough to listen to some of the stories that my grandfather had to tell about the Great Depression (He was born in 1922) his family had no money for food' date=' and they lived off what his father could hunt. Sorry, don't compare whats going on now to what went on during the great depression, it's an insult to my dead grandfather, and an insult to all the citizens of the United States that made it through that time and kept the nation intact.[/quote']

Well, the bigger deficit is, the less money there is for the people. And your deficit is quite big right now.

 

QUOTE (Soldier)

- against gay marriages

 

 

 

Wow' date=' it just so happens this is an issue your poster boy Kerry has flip flopped on, lets look shall we? Kerry Gay Marriage Flip Flop Some interesting points in that article.

 

n 1996, a less compromising Kerry gave an imp!@#$%^&*ioned 10-minute speech on the Senate floor against an effort in Congress to define marriage only as a union between a man and a woman:

 

Thats right, in 96 he was against the idea. Now out of convinence he's changed his mind. (Wow, that seems to be a re-occuring thing.)[/quote']

Yep. I'm not surprised of the contradiction. But what if he decides to do something for them though? Bush clearly won't.

[Tascar]

I never have patience to read all your long posts A Solider. Try to summarize and maybe we would read it.

 

Santino - Did you know what stakes Al Gore has in oil? Do you understand the democratic oil rich stakes? Blame Haliburton all you want but it's not that company alone - hundreds of oil industries 'could' make money from an peaceful Iraq....which was the ultimate solution despite how difficult it would be to get there.

 

...and go to Australia, or France, or Africa.....and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[A Soldier]

I never have patience to read all your long posts A Solider.  Try to summarize and maybe we would read it.

lmao. Earlier, I was tempted to add at the end of the other post: Tascar, if you have read this, please don't accuse me of anti-americanism again.

 

I don't care if you don't have the patience to read it.

[Tascar]

Ok kewl - I don't care...it's probably your typical anti-American garbage as usual. HAHA

[Dr.Worthless]

Same Style as before, replying to them as I read them

 

I never said Bush was to be BLAMED for outsourcing ITSELF. I'm saying he hasnt done -*BAD WORD*- to control it. Btw, dont put up BS examples like all those so called jobs created. If this outsourcing CRAP keeps up, only 2 situations can occur:

 

-A huge gap between the poor and the rich

-98% unemployment rate with the other 2% being rich as -*BAD WORD*- white-collered jobs, government officials and infrastructure. Which will end up not working at all because the unemployed will have no money to BUY the stuff that the rich produce

 

That will happen sooner or later if outsourcing keeps up

A requirement for participating in discussion is reading what people say, Ancient. If you'll reread my statement, I noted that Polix was actually at fault for placing blame on bush. The rest of the statement is credible, how do you propose we change things? Direct intervention from congress isn't going to happen, big business runs their pocket books. Without Congress, the President is powerless.

 

 

 

An anti-war activist is EXACTLY what we need to change our focus to the situation at home.

 

We're all en!@#$%^&*les to our opinions. However wrong they may be

 

 

 

If you really think Kerry flip-flops, your probably one of those % of the americans who can't understand half of the words he uses.

Please, if you cant comment without insulting its not worth commenting. Don't make me list all the issues Kerry has flip-flopped about, It would take over 2-3 pages to list, and tests have shown that you cant keep a monkeys interest for more than a few paragraphs. (One insult deserves another, and yes that was horridly hypocritical)

 

sure it may be SOMEWHAT safe, but it would be ALOT MORE safer to the americans directly if the money had been used to target countries and groups that posed real and imminent threats. I.E. NK and all those terrorist groups. In fact, going to Iraq just stirred up more terrorism. We should've just focused on Afghan and left the rest of the world alone.

 

Safer is safer is safer. One interesting point I would like to raise in the above statement, if Saddam truely had no ties to terrorism, why would terrorism increase when we removed him from power? Why would terrorists give a flying -*BAD WORD*- about us attacking Saddam if they had no ties with him. You would figure they would be happy we're attacking poor dangerless Saddam, and not focusing on them.

 

equilibrium my -*BAD WORD*-, equilibrium is when there's a balance between the rich and the poor. As of right now, and you know it, the gap between the rich and the poor have increased dramatically during the Bush years. Quit obsessing over the IT crap, people need to focus more on the now.

The past dictates the present. You have much to learn young jedi.

 

Didnt you praise capitalism a few minutes ago?

 

Explaining that outsourcing is the result of the nature of capitalism, and praising it are 2 different things.

 

Thoses are few links I managed to find. They are countless websites about the subject, I suggest you read thoses and tell me what you think after.

 

"That was 4 years ago, move on." Oh come on... it's acceptable for you to say that because it was 4 years ago that he stole the elections, we should'nt mind? What if he tries to rig it again?

I won't be reading any of the links, because the bottom line is you, nor anyone else, has any solid evidence that Bush rigged any election. Saying that he did (without solid evidence to back the claim up) is called slander.

 

Wow, congratulations. Now if Saddam g!@#$%^&*ed them, shouldn't they feel at least a little responsible because of this betrayal? And didn't he get power with the help of the CIA?

 

I can agree with the fact that our past dealings with Saddam, were very shady. What I do not agree with is "responsibility for their death because of betrayal." Sorry, If Saddam g!@#$%^&*ed them, Saddam is the only one who's responsible. What the -*BAD WORD*- ever happened to accusing the people who actually commited the crime? This reminds me of the "It wasnt the terrorists fault that they flew planes into the world trade center, it was the Americans fault for being so evil.. our evilness forced them to do it." Rofl, give me a break.

 

Scott Ritter, former UN inspector, believes Iraq was not a threat to the United States. Weapons of M!@#$%^&* Destructions were an excuse to invade Iraq, because they have none! And hey, if they ever find any... were you there when the US sold WMDs to Iraq in the '80s?

I was still -*BAD WORD*-ting my pants when America had dealings with Iraq, so sorry I don't remember. "Believing" Iraq wasn't a threat does not equal that they were not. I believing makes things true, then by god I better start believing in my dreams of becoming a billionaire and a pornstar.

 

 

 

And Jeesus -*BAD WORD*-ing Christ, can you tell me what the -*BAD WORD*- is that?

http://www.ccmep.org/usbombingwatch/2002.html

 

I won't touch that, it'll throw this thread way way way off topic. Let me just say though, that in faireness if you post how mean and evil America/Britain is. Please also include articles/pictures of the m!@#$%^&* graves and other attrocities performed by Saddam. No, I'm not legitimizing whats in the link, I'm just trying to keep things fair.

 

Well, the bigger deficit is, the less money there is for the people. And your deficit is quite big right now.

Sorry, the correct answer would be "You're right Worthless, the current times, while rough, don't hold a candle to what Americans experienced during the Great Depression. I shouldn't have even compaired the two." You lose. You're welcome to play again though =)

 

Yep. I'm not surprised of the contradiction. But what if he decides to do something for them though? Bush clearly won't.

 

True enough.

[Santino]

A Soldier, you are not american dude. It doesn't matter what you think and you care alot more about this than I do and Im american. Why don't you chill out on this topic and go trash talk some people.

 

 

My Personal Opinion I hate them both, they are nothing compard too JFK.

I think someone should close this topic also because its 100% -*BAD WORD*-

and it will go on for days and days. 60% ppl who play SS aren't even american so why bother trying too post a poll for people who can't vote in america.

[A Soldier]

I won't be reading any of the links, because the bottom line is you, nor anyone else, has any solid evidence that Bush rigged any election. Saying that he did (without solid evidence to back the claim up) is called slander.

If instead of saying this you have read what was on the links, I think you would agree with me on the fact he did not win the elections "legally". The most solid evidence would be the government itself admiting he did cheat, but you know as much as I do that nobody would ever do such a thing. But then, there is this quote coming from Otto Von Bismark that says: "Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied." Again, I invite you to read the links I've posted.

 

I can agree with the fact that our past dealings with Saddam, were very shady. What I do not agree with is "responsibility for their death because of betrayal." Sorry, If Saddam g!@#$%^&*ed them, Saddam is the only one who's responsible. What the -*BAD WORD*- ever happened to accusing the people who actually commited the crime? This reminds me of the "It wasnt the terrorists fault that they flew planes into the world trade center, it was the Americans fault for being so evil.. our evilness forced them to do it." Rofl, give me a break.

ok. Let's say there is you, me and Mister X. You hate Mister X like -*BAD WORD*-. I give you the gun to kill Mister X. You kill him. Am I or am I not part of the crime?

 

 

QUOTE (soldier) 

Scott Ritter, former UN inspector, believes Iraq was not a threat to the United States. Weapons of M!@#$%^&* Destructions were an excuse to invade Iraq, because they have none! And hey, if they ever find any... were you there when the US sold WMDs to Iraq in the '80s?

 

 

 

I was still -*BAD WORD*-ting my pants when America had dealings with Iraq, so sorry I don't remember. "Believing" Iraq wasn't a threat does not equal that they were not. I believing makes things true, then by god I better start believing in my dreams of becoming a billionaire and a pornstar.

Then what threat is it to the American people if you are so sure about it?

Air Force Brigadier General William Looney, the head of the Central Command's Airborne Expeditionary Force, spoke about the Iraqi people in a recent interview in Defense Week magazine: "If they turn on the radars we're going to blow up their -*BAD WORD*- SAMs (surface-to-air missiles). They know we own their country. We own their airspace... We dictate the way they live and talk. And that's what's great about America right now. It's a good thing, especially when there's a lot of oil out there we need."."

... :/

 

QUOTE (soldier)

And Jeesus -*BAD WORD*-ing Christ, can you tell me what the -*BAD WORD*- is that?

http://www.ccmep.org/usbombingwatch/2002.html

 

 

 

I won't touch that, it'll throw this thread way way way off topic. Let me just say though, that in faireness if you post how mean and evil America/Britain is. Please also include articles/pictures of the m!@#$%^&* graves and other attrocities performed by Saddam. No, I'm not legitimizing whats in the link, I'm just trying to keep things fair.

I know Saddam was an evil person. I know he executed some of his people because they disagreed with his point of view. I mean, who doesn't know now? What I wonder though is around how many individuals he killed.

 

What are your opinions on the bombings by the way? We're they right to do so?

 

 

 

QUOTE (Soldier) 

Well, the bigger deficit is, the less money there is for the people. And your deficit is quite big right now.

 

 

 

Sorry, the correct answer would be "You're right Worthless, the current times, while rough, don't hold a candle to what Americans experienced during the Great Depression. I shouldn't have even compaired the two." You lose. You're welcome to play again though =)

Fine. Your point

Still, who is going to pay for that deficit?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Santino. Tell me where you see an insult and I will apologize. Why do you tell me to chill out? Plus, are you telling me that if I was American, then I would have had more right to post my opinion on the Novembers' elections than now? Little edit there: I also told earlier that foreign policies interested me :] Gives you a clue why I post here.

[Bacchus]

because it's interesting nonetheless?

 

Also because a lot of people disagree with how Bush admin. is doing things and are eager to see someone else rule USA because they feel it would make the world a safer place.

 

 

but as someone pointed out, i'll just chill this one out because i ould be disrupting this topic.

 

peace.

[Dav]

I voted  for bush of course, but I am saying -*BAD WORD*- let kerry lead our country.. prolly turn over too a dictatorship and we'll have another world war breakout..  germany and france even hopes kerry gets in power... cuz there all dumb!@#$%^&*es..

^LOL... Kerry will turn the USA into a dictatorship?

 

Live, I read all of your posts and they were very pleasant to read. Thanks for the compliment by the way :]

and GW bush has not?

 

how can a democrocy have a leader that never won on a majority vote?

[Tascar]

Make the world a safer place?? lol, dude, crawl back under your rock. You think terrorism is a new idea since Bush is in power? You think that Bush is the reason for 9/11? DO you know anything about the cost of terrorism in countries where the USA doesn't even go? Your life way up there in lost world Canada remains 100% safe BECAUSE OF AMERICA. Try for two seconds to tell me I'm wrong. I guarantee that if America was ever on the brink of desparation, Canada will surely be one step away. Did you forget the numerous attacks against our country during the Clinton era? How about during Reagan's era? Do you know anything about history at all?

 

A Soldier - you don't like foreign politics...you like to piss on America. If you are sooooo interested in foreign politics, why not research the post conflict status of any European country, the economic effects on trade disparity in Japan, or the ploy of North Korea? Sit there in your fine little seat, beat on American's and pray each day that no one ever threatens your country....because you are completely defenseless without the USA.

 

(here's where you'll probably tell me that the French will come to save you!! hahahahahaha maybe the French Foreign Legion! rofl)

[Hempz]

[Edit: To avoid this person's IQ level fall down even more -nintendo64]

[Ancient Power]

shut the -*BAD WORD*- up you stupid moron, no one gives a flying -*BAD WORD*- about what you say. I'm canadian too but i live in the U.S.

[A Soldier]

Poor Tascar. You are hopeless

 

Make the world a safer place??  lol' date=' dude, crawl back under your rock.  You think terrorism is a new idea since Bush is in power?  You think that Bush is the reason for 9/11?  DO you know anything about the cost of terrorism in countries where the USA doesn't even go?[/quote']

What was that for....? No, terrorism is not new since Bush is in power. Yes, I know the cost of terrorism in countries where the USA doesn't even go in some cases. Russia and Tchechenia for exemple (don't know if spelt right).

 

Your life way up there in lost world Canada remains 100% safe BECAUSE OF AMERICA.  Try for two seconds to tell me I'm wrong.  I guarantee that if America was ever on the brink of desparation' date=' Canada will surely be one step away.[/quote']

If we were to be attacked, America would have to come and help Canada like Canada has to help America in case of an attack (on soil ground I think..). There's a treaty about that but I don't remember its name. But even then, who would want to attack Canada, a peaceful country? :]

 

Economicly, we depend a lot on the United States; we export most of our goods to your country. Like an old saying says, regarding the economy of our country: When the US has a cold, Canada has the flu. I can't deny that if you'd decide to screw our trades like raising tax prices for exemple, we'd surely be plunged into recession. It affected our economy when you decided to put gigantic taxes on the wood we export. Otherwise, it would be cool if our government could spend some time looking for alternative markets to help us break from this dependency, I believe.

 

Did you forget the numerous attacks against our country during the Clinton era?  How about during Reagan's era?  Do you know anything about history at all?

I was one of the very few in high school that liked history' date=' economy and other cultures and liked to debate about it. I don't claim I know much than the average person of my age, but I do read a lot on tons of subjects. Concerning Clinton and Reagan, what are you trying to tell me? Both of your parties umm... "suck"?

 

A Soldier - you don't like foreign politics...you like to piss on America.  If you are sooooo interested in foreign politics' date=' why not research the post conflict status of any European country, the economic effects on trade disparity in Japan, or the ploy of North Korea?  Sit there in your fine little seat, beat on American's and pray each day that no one ever threatens your country....because you are completely defenseless without the USA.[/quote']

You are the perfect exemple of someone who can't take constructive critisim when it affects the place you live in. I wouldn't mind talking about European countries or economics in general, but what is this topic about? Yeah, it's about the elections and America. What are most of the topics here all about? Yeah, it's mostly about America. Go on, make a new topic and let's talk about something else. As for Canada being defenseless, like I said before, militarly, who would want to attack us?

 

Tascar, if you could stop looking at only one side of the medal and stop accusing me of hating the United States, it would do you no harm.

[A Soldier]

[Edit: To avoid this person's IQ level fall down even more -nintendo64]

I don't see why your insult should affect me. You thought the Kyoto protocol was a peace treaty. Need I say more?

[Bacchus]

Make the world a safer place?? lol, dude, crawl back under your rock. You think terrorism is a new idea since Bush is in power? You think that Bush is the reason for 9/11? DO you know anything about the cost of terrorism in countries where the USA doesn't even go? Your life way up there in lost world Canada remains 100% safe BECAUSE OF AMERICA. Try for two seconds to tell me I'm wrong. I guarantee that if America was ever on the brink of desparation, Canada will surely be one step away. Did you forget the numerous attacks against our country during the Clinton era? How about during Reagan's era? Do you know anything about history at all?

 

 

Give me some slack with your "because of america" crap...yea,yea you own the world and you're our saviors..ok, now let's take another call shall we? Awright, you're world police, keepers of good faith and god's chosen...please just hold your hands in an all-star prayer to gawd almighty and go fall off a cliff right in the middle of the american dream. tks.

 

Your one-sided understanding of the world is pissing peoples off and you can't even begin to ackowledge the fact that you could be wrong...pfft, f'king control freaks.

[A Soldier]

Give me some slack with your "because of america" crap...yea,yea you own the world and you're our saviors..ok, now let's take another call shall we? Awright, you're world police, keepers of good faith and god's chosen...please just hold your hands in an all-star prayer to gawd almighty and go fall off a cliff right in the middle of the american dream. tks.

 

Your one-sided understanding of the world is pissing peoples off and you can't even begin to ackowledge the fact that you could be wrong...pfft, f'king control freaks.

I think you've hit the nail pretty much...

[MasterDrake]

ok. Let's say there is you, me and Mister X. You hate Mister X like -*BAD WORD*-. I give you the gun to kill Mister X. You kill him. Am I or am I not part of the crime?

Are you there when you hand the gun to him and he kills the person, or are you somewhere else when you give him the gun and when mister x dies.

 

Tascar I'm not sure if you know but canada does of a national defense in place, Navy and Army. I am not saying your wrong, america's present on this continent does emmit a bit of fear if anyone trys something on canada because we would probaly help them if they had trouble.

[Dr.Worthless]

What are your opinions on the bombings by the way? We're they right to do so?

Well, the situation faced by the military is a curious one. Every civilian casuality is one to many, but if we can drop a bomb on a suspected terrorist controlled building instead of sending troops in on the ground to clear it, Im all for it. Yes, this is shallow, but If I was to write out my full opinion it would be a novel, and I've got other -*BAD WORD*- to to right now, mabye later =)

 

 

 

 

ok. Let's say there is you, me and Mister X. You hate Mister X like -*BAD WORD*-. I give you the gun to kill Mister X. You kill him. Am I or am I not part of the crime?

 

If you gave me the gun with the knowledge that I was going to use it to commit a crime, you were a part of it. If you provided me the gun without knowledge that I was going to be bad with it, then you werent. If you want to try to make the arguement that gas was provided to Saddam when the US knew it would be used to gas kurds, good luck.

 

 

 

What I wonder though is around how many individuals he killed.

I'll find estimates if you want, but m!@#$%^&* graves are found all the time with bodies in the 1000's.

 

Still, who is going to pay for that deficit?

 

I guess we will be? Hopefully a administration will come into office that'll cut out all the wasteful spending, corporate welfare, and all the other -*BAD WORD*- that goes on in politics. That would take care of the deficit easily. What we're really facing here is that something has to be done about terrorism. Invading iraq may or may not have been the right move, but its a move. A move thats alot better than just dealing with it, which is whats been happening prior to 9/11.

[PoLiX]

I did not blame bush. Only meant he supports outsourcing and even signed a bill dealing with it. So he has caused companies to want to outsource more and more.

 

If you really think outsourcing is a great idea, wait until your job is threatened by it, or someone in your family loses their job to it. It only helps the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. Nowhere does it help the middle people who would normally work those jobs they are sending over seas.

 

 

Not really anti-american here, but I think the US deserved 9/11. It was a wake up call, and made people realize that we aren't safe from everything. Were not in some little bubble where were safe from everything, and everyone is afraid to do anything to us. But it did not mean we needed to suddenly go over board and go out to eliminate it all.

 

 

How did bush know Iraq had the WMDs? He had the reciepts. The US provided Iraq and Iran with all their WMDs and most their armored vehicles. We put Suddam in power. We put Osama in power. It backfired, we -*BAD WORD*-ed up, so now we gotta clean up our mess, only to probably make an even bigger one. If we had just left all of it alone over there, we'd have been fine. The US can't be a country and be the world police at the same time. We either need to focus on our problems in our borders, or the ones outside.

[Tascar]

Give me some slack with your "because of america" crap...yea,yea you own the world and you're our saviors..ok, now let's take another call shall we? Awright, you're world police, keepers of good faith and god's chosen...please just hold your hands in an all-star prayer to gawd almighty and go fall off a cliff right in the middle of the american dream. tks.

 

Your one-sided understanding of the world is pissing peoples off and you can't even begin to ackowledge the fact that you could be wrong...pfft, f'king control freaks.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!

 

I like that part about falling off the cliff. ROFL!! And you thought that up all yourself. That's funny! HAHAHAHAHA kids. Go ride your bike and be happy.

 

Either way, I'm done replying to this non-sense. It's like someone said 'worthless' trying to convince each other of one side or another. Say what you want, ultimately I support my country. Joke is on you.