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[Hempz]

Who would be the better president?

[C.T.F.]

Kerry because he gives new oppurtunities to hard workung non americans who are probably illegal here in the U.S. and belive me I was one excpet for the illegal part. Kerry is a Democrat which is a good thing (you see what Republicans do; Bush #1= Persian Gulf War and Buch #2= Iraqi War)........ all in all Kerry is great for president except the part that his is a living corpse!!

[Hempz]

That's pretty lame because Kerry supports gay's and he has been caught in so many lies and also believes in abortion, and for one Kerry voted for the Iraqi War. Kerry Flipflops .. example... kerry talks too iron workers hes for unions when he talks to independent workers hes against unions. He dicrased his country and threw all his medals out.

 

Bush says what he believes I would rather have my kids under bush then kerry, I feel safe, kerry thinks he can deal with the terrorists by saying ' hey, lets stop fighting' and bush is like " Lets kill the -*BAD WORD*-s " I don't believe terrorists should be given a chance, I really don't.

 

But thats just me, if kerry does and I hope he doesn't .. if he gets president there will be more chaos then there is today, he doesn't even have plans too run this country, its just man power, its like a noob in tw wanting sysop there , its nothing..

[Himura Kenshin]

kerry i cant stand this war at all i dont need that bush -*BAD WORD*- screwing things up for another 4 years.

[Hempz]

The war isn't a problem, and it's no longer a problem, bush is fighting against terrorism stopping it from spreading keeping people alive, Bush is slowly defeating Terroism in the middle east. and its keeping ppl alive out there, its nothing too do with our country but he's helping others, It doesn't mean -*BAD WORD*- if kerry is against the war, its the only excuse you democrats have against bush because kerry against war, Kerry is a Liar and a Bill Clinton Jr. we don't need another of those, bush is leading our country well, he is also making more jobs for people and more industries. Some of you are just still kids and do not understand and only say what your parents are saying. The soldiers aren't a problem either they signed up, they want too defend our country by eliminating terrorist and they are, there would be more attacks on america if bush hadn't done anything.

besides.. Ha you think you can just stop terroism? they started this war, we are going too finish it. Kerry half of the time doesn't know what he is talking about.. he is only saying what the people want too hear. He has no idea what he will do for the future if he does become president. And sitting down and talking with the terrioists wont work, they will keep doing what they are doing untill they get what they want.

[A Soldier]

If I was American, I'd vote for Kerry. I find that Bush did a very bad job during his 4 years term and that he deserves to be driven out of the White House.

 

Few reasons I wouldn't vote for him:

- suspected of having rigged the 2000's elections

- lied about the reasons of going to war against Iraq

--> war in Iraq costs the american people 3.9 billion a month

--> no WMDs have been found yet

- biggest deficit seen during the great depression

- against gay marriages

- abandonned the Kyoto treaty

- around 3 million jobs lost

- tax cuts for the wealthier people... but what about the rest of the population?

 

I'm very displeased to know he was also the first american president to have a criminal background. He also avoided conscription during Vietnam, thanks to his dad. Plus, he handled foreign policy in such a way... that I have difficulty describing it with words. Iraq, Haiti and Venezuela are good exemples.

 

I don't know what to expect from Kerry if he gets elected in November. I think it'll be one of the biggest challenge an american president will have to face, due to the enormous problems Bush's administration have caused. I sincerly hope the american people gets something better than what it has right now.

[Tascar]

I say vote for A Soldier:

 

Few reasons I would vote for him are:

- He's Canadian and knows absolutely nothing about American people.

- Wants Canada to invade the USA because it's warmer here.

- Listens to massive propoganda about Great Depressions.

- Is gay and supports gay marriages so he can get butt plugged twice daily.

- Has no idea how technology shift stimulated from the end of the Clinton era created a massive drought on tech jobs.

- Has a strange hair cut.

 

I'm very pleased to know that he's Canadian and speaks so highly about Americans. He has a computer thanks to his dad. Plus he handles foreign chicks like African wilderbeast.....I have difficulty describing that sound in words. Squink, squish, and flubflub are good examples.

 

I know what to expect from A Soldier. More beating on American policy despite whomever is in office. Sadly, A Soldier is Canadian and holds an omnipresent grudge against Americans in general perhaps.

 

(now watch him reply and try my technique)

[»1587200]

- lied about the reasons of going to war against Iraq

There's a difference between acting on wrong information, and flat out lieing. Bush recieved wrong information, Cliniton lied.

 

I would rather have a president with a criminal background who's cleaned up his life and has moral values, than a hyocrite pro-homo baby killing pro-life'er who would rather create jobs than worry about the saftey and moral values of America.

[Bacchus]

ok, this topic is for americans.

 

 

I'd vote Kerry.

 

 

but hey...i'm not american...and i'm proud of it.

[A Soldier]

Thank you Tascar for your interesting point that brings a lot to the discussion. I wasn't expecting much from you to be honest. All you bring to political conversations is either 1) made up of blablerring, ignorant, non-sense -*BAD WORD*- or 2) stupid, pointless hate over somebody.

 

Asking you to "get a life" might sound a little too vague for you. Therefor, I suggest you find a cliff and fall in.

 

As you can see with my previous post (wait Tascar, are you sure you want to continue reading, this may burn your last braincells?), it is composed of facts; there is nothing I have made out myself. They are the reasons why I wouldn't vote for Bush, that's it.

 

You want to vote for Bush, hey, that's fine. You have the right to have your opinion, but so do I. I'm sorry if you felt insulted by what I said, if so, please say where and why, and at least I'll see what I've done wrong.

 

So please, help me fight global warning: shut the -*BAD WORD*- up Tascar. And grow up while you are at it. Thank you very much.

[»1587200]

Can you prove that Bush lied then?

[A Soldier]

- lied about the reasons of going to war against Iraq

There's a difference between acting on wrong information' date=' and flat out lieing. Bush recieved wrong information, Cliniton lied. [/quote']

Alright. What I've heard and read about war in Iraq was that the CIA made a report saying the country didn't represent a threat to America, and it was distributed to Bush. I might be wrong, but if you need a link, I'll try to look it up.

 

But do you agree on the fact that he lied about the WMDs that Iraq were supposed to possess?

[»1587200]

No. Iraq was led by Saddam. After knowing what he's done, I'd suspect he has more than WMD's hidden, and that's just me. If I was president, and my advisors led me to believe that there were infact WMD hidden, I would act upon it.

 

Bush was givin bad info (as far as we know). If a friend told you someone was hitting on your girlfriend, would you stop and question that friend, or would you confront the guy? But if that guy wasn't hitting on your girlfriend, would that make you a liar for beliving your friend? No. Bush was told that Saddam was hidding WMD by creditable sources, and took approperate action to protect the country. If you want to point fingers, point them at the people who provided the false info.

[A Soldier]

ok look. You know we could go on for a while on the subject, and we're already off topic. I'll PM you a link, and if you want to continue the debate, you can be my guest.

[Tascar]

I'll be short and sweet - take a hint from Bacchus bud. Stop attempting to tell us about what you obviously don't know about American politics - and American's overall. I honestly believe that you would start this same anti-American story four years from now if Kerry were in office. I'm poking at you because you support many of the things that I oppose - gay lifestyles, propoganda, finger-pointing politics, etc.

 

I'll apologize for my comments because you didn't take them in humor. I'll support your fight against global warming too. In as much as you would like to believe what you wrote, they just aren't facts. There's little factual information about your writings.

[Bacchus]

I vote for a soldier...i agree with him almost 100%

 

 

btw, bush is losing your poll.

[Hempz]

Few reasons I wouldn't vote for him:

- suspected of having rigged the 2000's elections

- lied about the reasons of going to war against Iraq

--> war in Iraq costs the american people 3.9 billion a month

--> no WMDs have been found yet

- biggest deficit seen during the great depression

- against gay marriages

- abandonned the Kyoto treaty

- around 3 million jobs lost

- tax cuts for the wealthier people... but what about the rest of the population?

Few reasons you don't know:

- Suspected of having rigged the 2000's elections

Hmm, Those seem like fabricasions the democratic party has just made up

too keep a lie too help keep bush away from being elected.

 

- Lied about the reasons of going to war against Iraq

He was recieved wrong information, Clinton Lied.

 

- War in Iraq costs the american people 3.9 billion a month

3.9 Billion, We are the richest country in the world. (If you work at Mcdonalds

you have a right too complain)

 

-No weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction have been found yet

Yes, there has ( Canisters of Ceruim Gas (Miss Spelled)

 

- The Great Depression Defect

I wasn't poor since bush came into power actually I got more money from bush

than I did Clinton.

 

 

- Against Gay Marriages

Kerry is just doing what he wants people too hear, he wants votes from gay's and lesbians so they will add too his votes, I bet he is gay himself.

 

-Kyoto Treaty

Dunno what the -*BAD WORD*- that was, but deny a treaty is no big deal... the country was probably under a dictator ship like Cuba and Iraq ... we aren't really allied with china but we have a piece treaty but we still dont like each other. we will never treaty with dictatorship its against America's policy

 

 

- 3 million jobs weren't lost?

it seems there was alot more jobs rebuilt more industries and factories given a 20grand per year too help buisnesses.

 

- Wealthier ppl have more money..

if you work at mcdonalds would you like 1/4 of your 90 $ pay check taken away?

[A Soldier]

Ok tasc. First, I'll accept your apologies even though I question wheter it really was humor or not... moving on:

 

I am interested in politics, and even more in foreign politics. I never claimed I knew everything about America. I even never claimed I knew a lot about "American's overall". Maybe I know a little, maybe I don't. But let me ask you this: do you have to be American in order to understand your system?

 

Maybe in four years I'll look into what Kerry has done and critisize some of his stuff. But how is critisizing Bush or any other politician anti-american? What is your definition of anti-american?

 

I respect the fact that you don't support gay people and their fights. I am not homosexual myself but I believe they should have the same rights as we, straight people, have. Aren't we all humans after all?

 

I do not support propaganda... I have no ideas what made you think that.

Propaganda: information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause

www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

If trying to find truth and sharing thoughts with others is, for you, promoting some cause, then bleh, what can I tell you?

 

Last thing I'd like to add, this is not the first time you say I am wrong. Where, and what is wrong? Please add some facts to your comments, it is so easy to say to try to contradict someone without bringing information to support your claims.

 

That's all.

[Hempz]

Gay people is not right, gays are against my religion and is not what we are here for. People are supposed too be Male and Female and Lesbian and Lesbian...is ok

 

 

Gays and Gays.. are just not right.

[A Soldier]

- Suspected of having rigged the 2000's elections

Hmm, Those seem like fabricasions the democratic party has just made up

too keep a lie too help keep bush away from being elected.

No, theses are not fabrications of the Democratic party. I will simply refer you to the Florida case. Should you need more information, I would be glad to help you find it.

 

- Lied about the reasons of going to war against Iraq

   He was recieved wrong information, Clinton Lied.

I am interested in knowing what Clinton did wrong since this is the second time I hear a comment about him.

 

If you remember correctly, war in Iraq was about Weapons of M!@#$%^&* Destruction. Where are they today? Several persons, plus a report coming from the CIA were telling that Iraq was _not_ a threat to the US. Again, should you need a link, just say it.

 

- War in Iraq costs the american people 3.9 billion a month

3.9 Billion, We are the richest country in the world. (If you work at Mcdonalds

you have a right too complain)

Lol. That's your opinion, you know. If I knew my tax were going to a war that is probably all about petro-politics, man, I'd be pissed. I don't work at McDonalds, but if you're fine with that, it's all good man :]

 

-No weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction have been found yet

Yes, there has ( Canisters of Ceruim Gas (Miss Spelled)

Um.. yes, I remember that story. Do you have a link though? If I'm not mistaken, they were harmless.

 

- The Great Depression Defect

I wasn't poor since bush came into power actually I got more money from bush

than I did Clinton.

How old are you?

 

- Against Gay Marriages

Kerry is just doing what he wants people too hear, he wants votes from gay's and lesbians so they will add too his votes, I bet he is gay himself.

Isn't he married?

 

-Kyoto Treaty

Dunno what the -*BAD WORD*- that was, but deny a treaty is no big deal... the country was probably under a dictator ship like Cuba and Iraq ... we aren't really allied with china but we have a piece treaty but we still dont like each other. we will never treaty with dictatorship its against America's policy

The Kyoto protocal was made to reduce pollution around the world... It has nothing to do with a country being seized by a dictator, or China being against America's policy...

 

- 3 million jobs weren't lost?

it seems there was alot more jobs rebuilt  more industries and factories given a 20grand per year too help buisnesses.

You mean there is a recovery?

 

- Wealthier ppl  have more money.. 

if you work at mcdonalds would you like 1/4 of your 90 $ pay check taken away?

...?

[Tascar]

A Solider - you are blurting out propoganda left and right dude!

 

---I will simply refer you to the Florida case. (Suspected of having rigged the 2000's elections)

** RIGGED? Let me guess - Jeb went down there and handed money to the counters and gave them nice resort stays in Miami?

---Lied about the reasons of going to war against Iraq

** NO LIES - 90% OF THE COUNTRY WANTED TO GO TO WAR IMMEDIATELY AFTER 9/11!!!

---a war that is probably all about petro-politics

** WHAT, BECAUSE CHENEY HAS AUTHORITY IN AN OIL COMPANY?

---China being against America's policy

** CHINA HAS BENEFITTED TEN FOLD FROM THE USA. WE IMPORT MORE CHINESE GOODS THAN ANY OTHER NATION!!!

---3 million jobs weren't lost?

** THIS IS THE DIRECT RESULT OF THE BURST TECH BUBBLE!!

 

All this is propoganda that Democrats are using to point-fingers and get votes. Winning elections isn't about what the candidate can do....it's obviously about sandbagging the opponent.

 

Stop reading websites full of opinion and propoganda dude.

[A Soldier]

lol...

** RIGGED?  Let me guess - Jeb went down there and handed money to the counters and gave them nice resort stays in Miami?

A lot of afro-americans were denied voting in 2000 in Florida, because the republican party knew that a majority of the black population would vote democrat. Bush has been given presidency because of the Supreme Court...

 

---Lied about the reasons of going to war against Iraq

** NO LIES - 90% OF THE COUNTRY WANTED TO GO TO WAR IMMEDIATELY AFTER 9/11!!!

ok. Your point?

 

---a war that is probably all about petro-politics

** WHAT, BECAUSE CHENEY HAS AUTHORITY IN AN OIL COMPANY?

No. Because Iraq is the second oil provider in the world and changed his petrodollar for a petroeuros, which could solidly hurt the american economy on the long term. For more info, visit this website: http://www.ratical.com/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html

 

---China being against America's policy

** CHINA HAS BENEFITTED TEN FOLD FROM THE USA.  WE IMPORT MORE CHINESE GOODS THAN ANY OTHER NATION!!!

Erm... ok. Where did I speak of China?

 

---3 million jobs weren't lost?

** THIS IS THE DIRECT RESULT OF THE BURST TECH BUBBLE!!

Link? Book?

 

Stop reading websites full of opinion and propoganda dude.

I am not reading any propaganda website.

 

Thank you for your thoughts.

[»i88gerbils]

it looks like i'll be voting libertarian again because all the candadites suck -*BAD WORD*-, and i'd rather have a non-governing party then one that'll -*BAD WORD*- up.

[Tascar]

it looks like i'll be voting libertarian again because all the candadites suck -*BAD WORD*-, and i'd rather have a non-governing party then one that'll -*BAD WORD*- up.

Sadly enough.....I kinda agree with you.

[Vegito]

I'm voted for the guy who hasn't put the country in debt and plunged us into a war which will keep our soldiers overseas for years to come.... Kerry sure... whoever is not Bush. I'm glad the poll-maker didn't put Ralph "Vote Thief" Nader in there.

 

 

I'm not gonna repost, but seriously Bush has brought this country down so much. I didn't like Bill Clinton as a person but he kept more money in my pocket.