Aileron Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 I believe you are attempting to prove that I or the USA for that matter, don't care about what happens around the rest of the world. There is where you have little understanding about the hearts and minds of Americans vs what is broadcasted on CNN.You don't understand the point of this forum. The point of this forum seems to be a place where ignorant, arrogant, and poorly informed Europeans can bash US foreign policy for no other reason than to recover their self esteem from their own inep!@#$%^&*ude. They don't care about media coverage or what happens to Iraqi civilians - the just want to justify their belief that the US is evil.
Dr Brain Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 I believe you are attempting to prove that I or the USA for that matter, don't care about what happens around the rest of the world. There is where you have little understanding about the hearts and minds of Americans vs what is broadcasted on CNN.You don't understand the point of this forum. The point of this forum seems to be a place where ignorant, arrogant, and poorly informed Europeans can bash US foreign policy for no other reason than to recover their self esteem from their own inep!@#$%^&*ude. They don't care about media coverage or what happens to Iraqi civilians - the just want to justify their belief that the US is evil. Amen.
»nintendo64 Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 What it's the REAL problem? can't you USA citizens handle criticisms? can't you aknowledge the errors in your country as well? if you cannot, then you're living the blue fairy tale. Remember, love your country great features and try to fix the errors, loving your country blindly isn't going to do good to it. -nintendo64
Arianax Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 A Korean got beheaded not too long ago, was that in CNN? i dunno, i dont listen/watch/read website. BBC all the way
Dr.Worthless Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 What it's the REAL problem? can't you USA citizens handle criticisms? can't you aknowledge the errors in your country as well? if you cannot, then you're living the blue fairy tale. Remember, love your country great features and try to fix the errors, loving your country blindly isn't going to do good to it. -nintendo64Funny that no where in there did I read a response to You don't understand the point of this forum. The point of this forum seems to be a place where ignorant, arrogant, and poorly informed Europeans can bash US foreign policy for no other reason than to recover their self esteem from their own inep!@#$%^&*ude. They don't care about media coverage or what happens to Iraqi civilians - the just want to justify their belief that the US is evil. lol.
»nintendo64 Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 Watch the movie "Born on 4th of July" (1989) for details. -nintendo64
Tascar Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 What it's the REAL problem? can't you USA citizens handle criticisms? can't you aknowledge the errors in your country as well? if you cannot, then you're living the blue fairy tale. Remember, love your country great features and try to fix the errors, loving your country blindly isn't going to do good to it. -nintendo64If you feel like sandbagging the USA any longer, be prepared for us to sandbag your dismal 1/2 island. Understand? Born on the 4th of July is a MOVIE. A movie with one perspective. Just like Farenheit 911 is a MOVIE. It's the views of a view people. Good luck standing on that ground. Take your own advice Nin, go and love your own country. Do good things for it. So far, it appears that you've done a better job defacing our views of foreigners than you have building diplomacy and hope for betterment for all.
»nintendo64 Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 I was expecting a reply along those lines, i mean what can you get one when someone keeps pointing out why do i hate their country, even thought i am just criticizing what's wrong with it. In our "1/2 dismal island" we can openly criticize the goverment, and we won't be called (From Year 2000 and on) "hippies", "communists", "undominican" or "antidominican", in fact the worst it could happen is getting silenced by the goverment, not something to brag about , but people do speak out and are not labeled (as "enemies" of the state) by society. -nintendo64
Tascar Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 No no, you have it wrong - it was "dismal 1/2 island". Not the other way around. Anyway, I'm not sure where you were going with the name calling thing...guess I'll just let it be. More power to ya. I think you believe too much of what you see on TV nin. Hmm...I'm wondering though (not for any reason other than wonder) were you born in the Dominican Republic and are you bilingual? You have pretty good English.
»nintendo64 Posted June 26, 2004 Report Posted June 26, 2004 My family is from Spain, we left Spain because of Franco's Dictatorship and went to Cuba, then we left because of Castro and went to the Dominican Republic. I was born in the DR, but i live a western-style version that's very similar to the one you can find at the States. My english writing skills are fine, but my pronunciation needs to improve. I was just rambling about Freedoms in the DR, but that belongs in another topic !@#$%^&*led "Freedom in Third World Countries". -nintendo64
Ancient Power Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 uncontrolled and biased media is the price you pay for freedom
»Ducky Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 uncontrolled and biased media is the price you pay for freedomSeems everything nowadays is "The price we pay for freedom." I honestly don't see what the problem is... A news network claims something they are not.Well now, thats new?
MonteZuma Posted June 28, 2004 Report Posted June 28, 2004 Mainstream American television coverage is biased because Americans don't want to hear news that conflicts with their world view. Every nation is the same. However, people in many other nations have a much more balanced world view and are more receptive to news from a variety of viewpoints. I reckon some of the reasons behind the US way of looking at news are:- The huge size of the US (esp. population and economy).- An education system that is too inward-looking.- The US's isolationist and militaristic history.- An extremely capitalist social fabric that encourages self-centredness and instant gratification I could probably think of a few others. Maybe when I see or read some of Michael Moore's stuff I will be able to expand the list? People in smaller countries are traditionally much more affected by the world outside. Its not surprising that their news has a wider coverage. 9/11 kinda demonstrates that people in the US need to spend a bit more time looking outside too. It'll probably happen one day.
Tascar Posted June 28, 2004 Report Posted June 28, 2004 Seems to me that you are lacking that 'balanced world view'. How would you have any clue whatsoever what the Americans think about news today? Where can you draw evidence that Americans have no idea what goes on around them? Do you realize that America is made up of more international immigrants than any country on earth? Or did you skip that lesson in your 'balanced world views'? 9/11 has nothing to do with American's looking outside. It was a demonstration of nothing but shear jealousy, desparation, and immorality by a few adamant thugs. We call that terrorism or organized crime. We generously help countless nations with financial !@#$%^&*istance in disaster, for rebuild, and recovery without asking for return despite your accusations that you think it's all about our deep pockets. If you are Canadian, you have no place to speak about the world whatsoever as your country donates very very little to anyone. The USA was founded on a system of freedom. That is our strength and despite internal disputes which are a part of free speech, it's a system that provides opportunity not only for our own people, but for the whole wide world. Would be nice if you had ground to stand on in your accusations. But I'll be glad for the day when America closes it's doors (although that would never happen). I take offense to your 'It'll probably happen one day." comment. I'll presume that you were speaking about Americans looking outside and not about hostile action. Don't be so sure that the world will rest at ease should something happen here in the homeland again. I heard our military doesn't play so nice.
MonteZuma Posted June 28, 2004 Report Posted June 28, 2004 How would you have any clue whatsoever what the Americans think about news today?Multiple sources. Some examples: CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, National Public Radio, subspace, people I've met, Law and Order: SVU, Sally Jessy Raphael. Seriously. I am bombarded by US culture and opinions. Probably almost as much as you are. Where can you draw evidence that Americans have no idea what goes on around them?You are extrapolating too much from my simple statement. But it is a well know fact that Americans know much less about what goes on outside of their borders than the citizens of many other western nations. Do you realize that America is made up of more international immigrants than any country on earth? Or did you skip that lesson in your 'balanced world views'?Based on country of birth and as a percentage of the total population, Australia and Canada are much more diverse than the US. 9/11 has nothing to do with American's looking outside. It was a demonstration of nothing but shear jealousy, desparation, and immorality by a few adamant thugs. We call that terrorism or organized crime.This is a gross oversimplification. Thanks for proving my point. We generously help countless nations with financial !@#$%^&*istance in disaster, for rebuild, and recovery without asking for return despite your accusations that you think it's all about our deep pockets.You should look more carefully at the types of aid that the US gives and ask yourself whether it will help build stronger and more stable governments. Often US aid programs are tied in with US trade policies that are highly detrimental to third world economies. Agricultural subsidies, over-production and dumping of surplus wheat is a classic example. If you are Canadian, you have no place to speak about the world whatsoever as your country donates very very little to anyone.As a percentage of GNP, Canada donates almost twice as much as the US in aid. Europe is by far the most generous, but Canada, Japan, Australia and New Zealand are all more generous than the US. The USA was founded on a system of freedom. That is our strength and despite internal disputes which are a part of free speech, it's a system that provides opportunity not only for our own people, but for the whole wide world.Many people disagree. Some disagree violently. Would be nice if you had ground to stand on in your accusations. But I'll be glad for the day when America closes it's doors (although that would never happen).Thanks again for demonstrating one of my points. I take offense to your 'It'll probably happen one day." comment. I'll presume that you were speaking about Americans looking outside and not about hostile action. Don't be so sure that the world will rest at ease should something happen here in the homeland again. I heard our military doesn't play so nice.Thanks for demonstrating another of my points.
Tascar Posted June 28, 2004 Report Posted June 28, 2004 Your talking in circles doesn't win an argument. EDIT: Deleting response as it has become worthless arguing with kids.
Bacchus Posted June 28, 2004 Report Posted June 28, 2004 EDIT: Deleting response as it has become worthless arguing with kids. kids? where? arguing with kids...hehehe that's funny, that's precisely why i stopped posting. kids...just like you probably, from my side of the fence anyway...are making it worthless to spend energy on a reply. In fact, american kids are the worst of all...along with english skinheads i think...
Aileron Posted June 28, 2004 Report Posted June 28, 2004 Some of these arguements are started because people think their country is worth the time - not a child like quality at all.
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