Dav Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 Communism and Marxism work great in theory, its just everyone thats tried it has -*BAD WORD*-ed it up. *points at Russia and China* -*BAD WORD*- if russia hadnt made Communism look so crap, we might have tried it. Russia was the worst thing that happened to it..the 1 think that stops comunism is greed and the human desire to be better then everyone else. Of all the communist nations there is no "true" communism anywhere in the world, especially not china as it has classes which is a big comunism no no. The closest thing is cuba which is still some way off the true definition.
BG Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 Communism: It's like Democracy, Except More -*BAD WORD*-ed up! Everyone is equal, has equal money, and equal rights, etc. etc. Who would order the criminals into a jail?If someone could, then they would be higher then others, BLAM. Who would order the Military around?If someone could, then they would be higher then others, BLAM. Etc. etc. etc. (I'm not that well versed in government, I bet like 6 people had an arguement against this before they read it -_-)
Tascar Posted June 7, 2004 Author Report Posted June 7, 2004 This conversation went from re-*BAD WORD*-ed to brain-on-cheese. For humor's sake, I think communism has about as much chance as the Dominican Replublic's chance of neocolonizing Mars. Hey - I saw that face on Mars there are people there....can you prove that there isn't? While you are proving things, can you prove that you received an education? In all honesty, do you know....anything? Prove it.
Dav Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 Communism: It's like Democracy, Except More -*BAD WORD*-ed up! Everyone is equal, has equal money, and equal rights, etc. etc. Who would order the criminals into a jail?If someone could, then they would be higher then others, BLAM. Who would order the Military around?If someone could, then they would be higher then others, BLAM. Etc. etc. etc. (I'm not that well versed in government, I bet like 6 people had an arguement against this before they read it -_-)acually in communism you are appointed to the job that best suits you. If you are best suted to be a manager you are a manager, makes you heigher then them in the job but there is no class so everyone is still an equil member of sociaty.
Manus Celer Dei Posted June 8, 2004 Report Posted June 8, 2004 Communism in theory: A truly equal society born through enlightened leadership with all members working together for the betterment of the nation. in Practice: A society doomed to failure through a lack of controls on the actions of the leadership (power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely). The problem stems from the idea of 'enlightened' leadership. If controls are placed on their actions then the system basically admits that its leadership are not enlightened and therefore do not fit the communist theory.
BG Posted June 8, 2004 Report Posted June 8, 2004 Communism often leads to toltalitarinism. That's a big word, Mouthful.
Dr.Worthless Posted June 8, 2004 Report Posted June 8, 2004 In all honesty, do you know....anything? Prove it. Oh, we have a skeptic? Descartes already proved it.. I think therefore I am =). Let me just add that in my humble opinion the ideal government would be a perfect balance of democracy and socialism. Worthless.
Tascar Posted June 8, 2004 Author Report Posted June 8, 2004 Nah, the perfect government would be one that lets us all run naked in the streets!
Bacchus Posted June 8, 2004 Report Posted June 8, 2004 Why would you want to run naked in the streets? We have a party here that promesses (spl) to have tax free beer/alcohol rounds, paid for 5-7 and party time, etc. and we have a marijuana party...which consequently, might want to have us all run naked in the streets though... mhhh <_<
Arianax Posted June 8, 2004 Report Posted June 8, 2004 We shouldnt listen to Descartes, he had no friends. if the one flaw of communism is human greed, doesnt that mean Marxism, or some sorta, Neo-marxism works? *kicks Micheal Moore* -not related to post lol
A Soldier Posted June 8, 2004 Report Posted June 8, 2004 Let me just add that in my humble opinion the ideal government would be a perfect balance of democracy and socialism.I agree, and think the same. But the perfect balance of anything is hardly ever achieved. lol@bacchus
BG Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Perfect Balance. 'Imposibles!''Impossible!''Impzoble!'
Dav Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Communism in theory: A truly equal society born through enlightened leadership with all members working together for the betterment of the nation. in Practice: A society doomed to failure through a lack of controls on the actions of the leadership (power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely). The problem stems from the idea of 'enlightened' leadership. If controls are placed on their actions then the system basically admits that its leadership are not enlightened and therefore do not fit the communist theory.it is infact doomed by the inate desire to better oneself, communism does not allow you to better yourself and acend in the social ladder. As a result people will revolt. I agree that a balance is the best thing, a central polocy between the left and the right. This howvwer never happens, people always have a bias to one side or the other.
Bacchus Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Communism is a political system based on other premisses then capitalism. What Marx was calling a "communist" is a worker with a different frame of mind because he won't be an affect of a capital based economy. In short, you can't analyse communism with a capitalistic evaluation. they are incompatible. The inate desire to better oneself in the social ladder stems not from nature but from capitalism itself. If you stop believing in capitalism, social ladder as we know it becomes rather irrelevant and society (western) as we know it either change to something else (like communism) or is destroyed.
Dav Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Communism is a political system based on other premisses then capitalism. What Marx was calling a "communist" is a worker with a different frame of mind because he won't be an affect of a capital based economy. In short, you can't analyse communism with a capitalistic evaluation. they are incompatible. The inate desire to better oneself in the social ladder stems not from nature but from capitalism itself. If you stop believing in capitalism, social ladder as we know it becomes rather irrelevant and society (western) as we know it either change to something else (like communism) or is destroyed.It is in fact mor inate then you may imagine, look at out closest relations in primates, they compete to become heigher in the social ladder as sucsess and power attracta the females. Humans still poses these desires, granted we are no longer in caves or on the savanah being eten by big cats and so ite less relivent to the sucess of humas and reproduction BUT our minds are loaded with our primal instincts that cannot help but express themselves in the modern world. This i belive is a prime example.
Bacchus Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 point taken. I meant that although we have an "animal" instinct that have influence on how we react toward each others, it's not an affect of capitalism..i mean it precedes capitalism, it precedes anything "occidental", hence it will find its ways in any political system...be it capitalism or communism.So, i think it would be somewhat of an error to condemn communism on the principle that it doesn't allow someone to climb the social ladder. The social ladder you refer to is the one proposed by capitalism and it's far from being the only one.When you refer to "society" as in "social ladder" you mean "western, occidental, capitalist society". communism would have its own "social ladder" and communists would most certainly have their own ways to climb it. The fact that capitalism is an efficient economical tool doesn't mean it's the best or the best exemple for social comparisons.in fact, in regard of the actual state of the world, i would say it failed miserably.
Dav Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 point taken. I meant that although we have an "animal" instinct that have influence on how we react toward each others, it's not an affect of capitalism..i mean it precedes capitalism, it precedes anything "occidental", hence it will find its ways in any political system...be it capitalism or communism.So, i think it would be somewhat of an error to condemn communism on the principle that it doesn't allow someone to climb the social ladder. The social ladder you refer to is the one proposed by capitalism and it's far from being the only one.When you refer to "society" as in "social ladder" you mean "western, occidental, capitalist society". communism would have its own "social ladder" and communists would most certainly have their own ways to climb it. The fact that capitalism is an efficient economical tool doesn't mean it's the best or the best exemple for social comparisons.in fact, in regard of the actual state of the world, i would say it failed miserably.I am not codeming communism for a second, i agree that there is some climbing in the government but for the majority they cannot climb. My stament was prposing why is does not work however the thing i admire about communism is that it sees past thie "everyman for himself" at!@#$%^&*ude and pulls everyone together with not only everyone being equil but everyone role is important as anyone elses. Also unnber the tehory of communism there should be 0% unemployment, doesnt work in practice but thats something to admire none the less.
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