Bacchus Posted June 6, 2004 Report Posted June 6, 2004 All I can say is ROFLMFAO. Considering you are speaking of the country that founded democracy as we know it, i'll let that roll off my backwell, i'll answer to that with my special WTFLMAO special sarcasm attack. Go back to some history book mate. "as we know it"...yea right. The Greeks were repubicans and democracy "as we know it" isn't QUITE an american invention. I'll recommend reading John Stuart Mill on representative democracy...or anything else political. Btw, weren't' your founders a brady bunch of europeans? WWII, and the allies defeat of Germany. Yeah.. that was the last major conflict that we've played a white horse roll. aah, ok. Then what was Korea, Vietnam, Chiapas, Iraqi Freedom, etc. all about? baah, why do i even bother.
Arianax Posted June 6, 2004 Report Posted June 6, 2004 Democracy as we know it still doesnt change my comment... I apoligize for downtalking the whole cold-war shiz, but im not sure that your Grain comment is justified, the whole premise of the Marshall Aid plan was that it would stop the Domino effect, which is also kinda what Vietnam was about, but then again, it turned out that The Domino theory didnt work- see vietnam again.Plus.. about the whole power vaccuum, Russia did fill most of it in, because of a lack of pressure at Potsdam. Anyway, exams tommorrow, enough.
Dr.Worthless Posted June 6, 2004 Report Posted June 6, 2004 well, i'll answer to that with my special WTFLMAO special sarcasm attack. Go back to some history book mate. "as we know it"...yea right. The Greeks were repubicans and democracy "as we know it" isn't QUITE an american invention. I'll recommend reading John Stuart Mill on representative democracy...or anything else political. Btw, weren't' your founders a brady bunch of europeans?Sorry, I wasnt aware you were alive back when the greeks tried their hand at democracy, I'll rephrase so you'll understand it. Americans have founded the most recent attempt at democracy. There, happy? Yes.. funny that those "brady bunch of europeans" had to leave that -*BAD WORD*-hole over there that the Europeans still have -*BAD WORD*-ed up to this day, and come to a place where they could start over. If you wish to engage in an intellectual battle, I'll be more than happy to do so with you, but if you want to treat eachother as equals and discuss things, i'd much rather do that.aah, ok. Then what was Korea, Vietnam, Chiapas, Iraqi Freedom, etc. all about? baah, why do i even bother Major as in the scheme of WWII, I Don't put Korea, Vietnam, or Iraqi Freedom on that scale. Though yes, we played the "white horse" role in all. I wish you wouldn't bother.. if you feel that you are intellectually superior to people here, please dont come back, but I can promise you that you aren't. Democracy as we know it still doesnt change my comment... I apoligize for downtalking the whole cold-war shiz, but im not sure that your Grain comment is justified, the whole premise of the Marshall Aid plan was that it would stop the Domino effect, which is also kinda what Vietnam was about, but then again, it turned out that The Domino theory didnt work- see vietnam again.Plus.. about the whole power vaccuum, Russia did fill most of it in, because of a lack of pressure at Potsdam. Anyway, exams tommorrow, enough. We could make a whole other thread on post WWII politics, but i assume you can agree that if the United States hadn't drawn the line at Berlin, that communism would have spread across all of Europe. Vietnam was a huge mistake, I wont go into it. Worthless
Bacchus Posted June 6, 2004 Report Posted June 6, 2004 If you could stop seeing this as an intellectual battle, you'd most certainly stop being afraid to lose something. americans have founded the most recent attempt at democracy. There, happy?That's hubris. Who do you think you are? What do you know of democracy? The simple fact that your gov. admittingly wants to "create" democracy points to the fact that their (yours?) understanding of what is democracy is lacking. And yea, i'm happy but you have nothing to do with it. Sorry, I wasnt aware you were alive back when the greeks tried their hand at democracy wow, aren't you full of -*BAD WORD*-? I never pretended to be alive back then. But the greeks were living in a republic...belive it or not. And even if our societies adopted a "legal" course of action and other ways of managing governing bodies, democracy was first practiced by the greeks. Yes.. funny that those "brady bunch of europeans" had to leave that -*BAD WORD*-hole over there that the Europeans still have -*BAD WORD*-ed up to this day aah, i see. Some (americans) were "intelligent" enough to go "peacefully" elsewhere so they could proceed at being enlightened. Nice cultural quirk here Dr. Discuss Things? how can we do that? The very moment someone post a critic of the american gov. a long line of accusation follows, even in the face of FACTS dammit. Discuss...bah. You can't really discuss about democracy when your interlocutor (spl) think it's country invented democracy, can't we?
Dr.Worthless Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 The key for you to understand the arguement, sir, is to recognize that the form of democracy that is ran in the United States is not a carbon copy of what was first introduced in greece. Thus using "As we know it" here's a crude example. However long ago caveman joe chisled a circle out of rock and discovered that it would roll around.. the wheel was born. Later people decided they wanted to make it out of wood, this was still called a wheel. Next was a wood rim with rubber around it, later came vulcanization and the wheel we know today was born. Using the simple model above, apply it to "democracy" or "X" if you will, and you will get to the point I was attempting to make. This all stemmed from your crack at our president having "devine right" or being a "king" and who knows what other ludicrous statement you made. In sarcasm, perhaps, but sarcasm deserves sarcasm in return. f you could stop seeing this as an intellectual battle, you'd most certainly stop being afraid to lose something.Afraid to lose something on a message board, heh, ok. Bottom line is stop filling your posts with drivel like "I dont even know why I try.." etc, (your last post was a good one.) wow, aren't you full of -*BAD WORD*-? I never pretended to be alive back then. But the greeks were living in a republic...belive it or not. And even if our societies adopted a "legal" course of action and other ways of managing governing bodies, democracy was first practiced by the greeks. You talked out your -*BAD WORD*- so much about the greeks that I could only assume you had first hand knowledge of them I guess I was mistaken, my appologies. Again, the "democracy" that the greeks practiced is a far cry from whats going on today, ideologies can evolve to. aah, i see. Some (americans) were "intelligent" enough to go "peacefully" elsewhere so they could proceed at being enlightened. Nice cultural quirk here Dr. No comment, I could make some skewed reference to the United State being the only remaining superpower and relate it to the "intelligence" of our founding fathers, but I wont go there. how can we do that? The very moment someone post a critic of the american gov. a long line of accusation follows, even in the face of FACTS dammit. Deep breaths, serenity now.. serenity now... Discuss...bah. You can't really discuss about democracy when your interlocutor (spl) think it's country invented democracy, can't we? I've made my point above, I don't think I should do it again. Democracy "as we know it", without the United States in the picture Europe would be doing their daily "sieg hails" instead of hail marrys (no.. im not catholic, neither is all of europe, I just thought that was kinda catchy) And in response to your signature, since you're such a big fan of the facts. Around one million Iraqis died as a result of Hussein's wars and policies. Up to 730,000 Iranians perished during the Iran-Iraq War. Between 60,000 and 100,000 Iraqi dissidents and Shi'ite Muslims are estimated to have been killed during Hussein's reign. Over 100,000 Kurds were killed or "disappeared". (M!@#$%^&* graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shi'ites and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Amnesty International estimates that at the time of Hussein's downfall in April 2003 there were about 300,000 Iraqi refugees around the world, with over 200,000 residing in Iran. Other sources claim between three and four million Iraqis, or about 15% of the population, fled the country seeking refuge. Moral of the story? As long as he provided oil and remained a member of the UN.. the Europeans were happy, suddenly America goes to remove him from power, and we're the bad guys? Heh.. bottom line is not supporting America in remove Saddam is support his actions. Not Supporting America IS Supporting the killing of 1 million + of his own citizens. Not supporting america is supporting rape, murder, and tyrany. You may disagree with how we did it, and thats great, but at the end of the day you should atleast say "but they did a good job removing a real son of a -*BAD WORD*- from the face of this earth." The facts are that we went into Iraq, we removed Saddam, and now we're attempting to make the place a safer place for the people there. Those are Facts. If you have facts that show the contrary, please site them and show them, no spin, just facts. You wont find a legitimate source that shows conclusivly that we're there for oil, or for any other reason but to remove Saddam from power. While I know this will induce a response, I'll try to make this my last post on the thread.. as nintendo said, I wont be changing any minds with my posts =) Worthless- I've got a PHD in worthless.
Bacchus Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 The key for you to understand the arguement, sir, is to recognize that the form of democracy that is ran in the United States is not a carbon copy off course not. i don't understand why you're still thinking that i'm unaware of that fact. I thougth i made myself clear. The form democracy take is rather irrelevant..that you practice it in an agora or Chamber of Commons (spl), the fact remains that democracy works by consensus and dialogues.I agree that economical, political, cultural and spiritual factors have molded governments into what they are today and also that USA is having an influence on democracy and history alike, of that there's no doubts. But this is different from sustaining that USA "changes the face of democracy as it is known today". Even if it were true, that's precisely why USA is the object of such criticism...too much political oppression, too much unilateral thinking and actions not enough discussions and dialogues. Recent actions by USA disrupted world balance and when its being mentionned USA usually replies with either threats ("you're either with or againnst us" line of thought) or a lecturing stance.here's a small exemple:Recently, Canada PM Chrétien wanted to "decriminalized" marijuana simple possession...it meant that a teen with some weed wouldn't be prosecuted, tried, and that he would keep a clean record instead of being caught in the legal, criminal system. This kind of social measures already exists in some countries. USA jumped in the discussion right on (even though nothing was asked of them) and began threatening Canada that it wouldn't let it "compromise" it's neighborg (spl) way of life by allowing "marginal" kids to influenced american ones.This is a rather insignificant situation, but still, this "intrusion" in canadian domestic politic were felt by most as frustrating and uncalled for. In an occidental world used to "talk" things over whenever its possible, USA looks like a loose canon ruled by an integristic cow boy in a dollar-green suit. btw, i don't hate americans but i do openly critic USA gov (mine also irl, but i doubt you'd find canadian politics interesting) and, everyone will agree with this, USA is big, strong and agressive. Feeling uneasy with its actions is rather understandable i think.
BG Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 I'm Taking deep breaths So as not to Majorly Flame anyone right now. This has gone from 'Finger pointing, blaming,Critical,non-righteous' to 'Flaming the U.S. and all those who are posting' Please excersize a LITTLE restraint.
Tascar Posted June 7, 2004 Author Report Posted June 7, 2004 Why be involved in or comment on USA politics when u live in Canada? What is there to be 'uneasy' about? Afraid that the US might actually win another NHL cup? You're afraid that the "loose cannon" might turn on you? Oh good God, u truly do not understand the USA.
BG Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 Considering, The U.S. Should Invade Canada, Make another 40 states or so.Then Mexico, And turn that in to A garbage dump. EDIT: Canada is Trying, For the second time, To make Marijuana Legal. Right, Listen to this, When the lead supporter of the bill was asked why he was trying again, all he said was 'wha?' -Conan O'Brien
A Soldier Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 Why be involved in or comment on USA politics when u live in Canada? What is there to be 'uneasy' about? Afraid that the US might actually win another NHL cup? You're afraid that the "loose cannon" might turn on you? Oh good God, u truly do not understand the USA.Tascar, I love your humor!Wait, that's humor right?
BG Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 Canada Must Be destroyed. MegaTokyo: Canadian English is BETTER English'Let's practice some Canadian Phrases''Neverwinter Nights Will be released when it is Finished''Neverwinter Nights Will be released in Winter''In Canada, It's always Winter!'
Dr.Worthless Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 On a completely un-related note, can anyone point me to a real nice CTF server, Oldschool CTF, like extreme games, without the extreme mod. Thx =)
A Soldier Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 I suggest you try metal gear ctf worthless (team vs team zone, a bit like infantry)
BG Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 :wtfwtf: :muhah: There Have Been Plenty of CTF's Paintball Is decent, Sort of like DS meets MGHalo CTF, Which wasn't even 'CTF',was shut down, That was 'decent' about 3 months ago.
Dr.Worthless Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 yeah, metal gear is ok I guess.. Im looking for a zone where You run around and capture the flags in the safe zone, and run them to your teams base.. then each team tries to crack into the base and steal flags.. the arena had probably 30 different bases to choose from, it was great fun.
BG Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 :wtfwtf: :wtfwtf: :wtfwtf: :wtfwtf: :wtfwtf: :wtfwtf: :wtfwtf: :wtfwtf: Okay, Back to Topic, Please.
Bacchus Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 mmh, no. We're all losing time and energy. I prefer CTF.
Arianax Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 -*BAD WORD*-, i missed replying in time, and i had some good points to make..... ah well. PS. Europe is very nice.PPS. I said about the whole Dominoy thing, which meant that the whole of europe wouldnt be under communist control.PPS. It was bizonia ya' know.... post war stuff can go on too long.
Tascar Posted June 7, 2004 Author Report Posted June 7, 2004 Um...if the USA didn't have presence in Europe during the cold war, I believe the communist block woiuld have extended all the way to London. But we'll never know will we?
Dav Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 Um...if the USA didn't have presence in Europe during the cold war, I believe the communist block woiuld have extended all the way to London. But we'll never know will we?and what is wrong with communism?
Tascar Posted June 7, 2004 Author Report Posted June 7, 2004 Gimme a DGimme a UGimme a FGimme a UGimme a SWhat's it spell...... DUFUS!
Dav Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 its a serious question, communism is brilliant in theory, it just doesnt work in practise.
»nintendo64 Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 Read about Socialism and Communism. After at least you've read those chapters, name the first communist country. Here's some infohttp://www1.minn.net/~nup/chlist.htm -nintendo64
Arianax Posted June 7, 2004 Report Posted June 7, 2004 Communism and Marxism work great in theory, its just everyone thats tried it has -*BAD WORD*-ed it up. *points at Russia and China* -*BAD WORD*- if russia hadnt made Communism look so crap, we might have tried it. Russia was the worst thing that happened to it..
Recommended Posts