WMDs

[Evil Incorporated]

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[Dr Brain]

Next thing you'll say is that bush is to blame for that beheading video, rather than the terrorists who actually did it.

 

Your moronicness shall not touch me! Back, villian of re-*BAD WORD*-ed thinking!

Fact is, if Bush listened to Blix and most of the Europeans, hundreds of Americans and thousands if Iraqis would still be alive, and so would the guy who was beheaded.

 

Was the war worth it? What are we being protected from?

And thousands of americans and thousands of Iraqis would be dead.

 

Know why? Because another attack would have been launched at the USA, and Saddam killed thousands of Iraqis a year (not making them wear women's underware, KILLING them).

[Bacchus]

as we speak, 10 k civilians were killed in this war.

 

The justifications for this act of ILLEGAL war were never found.

 

USA disrupted the world consensus.

 

USA is killing his own in a 4 billions $$$ a day ILLEGAL conflict.

 

USA is above dialogue, above consensus, above international law. It is basically above the law.

 

USA is messing up.

 

Since 1800, USA took an active part in 163 armed conflicts.

 

USA is trigger happy, a loose canon, a dangerous war mongering nation obsessed with a "divine" mission of bringing peace by making war.

 

And your prez fell down a bike...what a loser.

 

And Moore won the Canne's Festival Palme d'Or.

 

And i'm done.

[MonteZuma]

And thousands of americans and thousands of Iraqis would be dead.

 

Know why? Because another attack would have been launched at the USA, and Saddam killed thousands of Iraqis a year (not making them wear women's underware, KILLING them).

Where is the evidence of this? Saddam is gone, Americans sit in his offices, and nobody has found any evidence of Iraq being involved in any existing or proposed terrorist actions. I doubt that the threat to his own citizens was so dire that it was worth accidentally killing 10,000 innocents in order to remove him from power.

 

Get a grip.

[Tascar]

I have to semi-agree with Montezuma's ideas... but it comes down to the simple fact that the US doesn't know HOW to get out of Iraq. There is no well defined exit strategy --- a difficult task at best.

 

Bacchus....ironic you tell Zig to end his 'radical' comment with Insha'alla - an Islamic arabic term meaning 'walk with Allah'. Just think about that eh?

 

So if Dr Brain's prophecy comes true....who or what nation will survive long term? Is it true that the Al Quaeda network claims to have prepared a devastating plan for America? - although it has apparently been averted once already, what will come of this world should America be terrorized again....

 

I believe worldwide exporting of drugs designed and distributed through America would end....hence most of the 3rd world nations, and many second world nations would die off from widespread epidemic diseases.

 

I believe that the oil and other goods that are imported from many Arab nations would come to a grinding halt (or serious shortage of demand)....hence many Arab nations would crumble under economic turmoil. No? USA has about % of worlds oil refineries...

 

I believe that the m!@#$%^&* sale of weapons from the old Soviet Union would take place across the globe rendering power to any nation or gang who can barter or buy them fastest. This would include subs, tanks, shoulder launched missles, etc.

 

I believe that nations south of America would be vandalized by narcotic warlords and turn to widespread anarchy.

 

I believe the world as we ALL know it.....would end. When the great library of Alexandria was burned in ancient Rome some say that it cost mankind at least 700 YEARS of technological advances. 700 YEARS just to rebuild and reapply the knowledge that was contained in that library. Imagine the setback if something devastating would happen to America. Sure...you can make the argument that any EU nation or even the Far East could resurrect technology - but what would drive it. America has always been the father of invention bar none.....what would you do without it? Maybe you live...maybe not.

 

Peace.

[Bacchus]

(freaking keyboard)

Tas said:

Bacchus....ironic you tell Zig to end his 'radical' comment with Insha'alla - an Islamic arabic term meaning 'walk with Allah'. Just think about that eh?

 

Yea, i thought about it, it was meant as sarcasm.

 

Your account isn't far from the truth i think.

 

but, i'm in a bar atm...drinking quite an amount of alcohol...i'll refrain from posting tonite.

 

Nite all. Have Fun!

 

peace.

[MonteZuma]

but, i'm in a bar atm...drinking quite an amount of alcohol...i'll refrain from posting tonite.

 

Nite all.  Have Fun!

 

peace.

Bacchus,

 

Web-surfing and visiting ssforum.com when you are at a bar is so wrong.

 

[Vegito]

I read a decent theory somewhere about this sarin s-*BAD WORD*-.

 

 

Let's put yourself in the oppositions shoes. You know the US is expecting some WMD. You know they brought biological full body suits with them, every soldier carries one. You remember seeing them dressed in these during the initial invasion. Now its summer, upwards of 120 degree weather. Hmmm, you know what would give me an advantage? somehow make them feel the heat even more. I know! Make them put on their bio suits.... but how? I know! Let's scrounge up a small amount of that sarin stuff and load it into a s-*BAD WORD*-. None of us know what we are doing, but it'll be enough to spook em.

 

 

Look at the facts... that s-*BAD WORD*- was not done right. Weapons experts say that if it was exploded most of the ignition would have killed the sarin, making it useless. This is not a sign of a country housing weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction. If you ask me, this was to get our troops to put suits on so they can die in exteremely hot weather, while insurgents with shorts on take pot shots at them.

 

-- just a theory, i could be wrong

[»ZiGNoTZaG]

at this point no matter what the US does it will be the wrong move.

 

The worst fear of mine at this point is another VN scenerio, where allied troops just go on dying, cuss bleeding heart politicians and activists feel the need to bring to light every single miss-step the US makes. This war would allready be over if the US/allied military was unbridled by the red tape that washigton so readly drapes all over the place.

 

my statement was not radical, its what needs to happen. if you think there is any other way for the violence to end now....your diluded.

[Tascar]

exactly Zig - no exit strategy. Someone said it here already -- this war is better fought abroad then in Iraq. We need to be spending billions in manhunting terrorists, not insurgents.

[Dr Brain]

I read a decent theory somewhere about this sarin s-*BAD WORD*-.

 

 

Let's put yourself in the oppositions shoes. You know the US is expecting some WMD. You know they brought biological full body suits with them, every soldier carries one. You remember seeing them dressed in these during the initial invasion. Now its summer, upwards of 120 degree weather. Hmmm, you know what would give me an advantage? somehow make them feel the heat even more. I know! Make them put on their bio suits.... but how? I know! Let's scrounge up a small amount of that sarin stuff and load it into a s-*BAD WORD*-. None of us know what we are doing, but it'll be enough to spook em.

 

 

Look at the facts... that s-*BAD WORD*- was not done right. Weapons experts say that if it was exploded most of the ignition would have killed the sarin, making it useless. This is not a sign of a country housing weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction. If you ask me, this was to get our troops to put suits on so they can die in exteremely hot weather, while insurgents with shorts on take pot shots at them.

 

-- just a theory, i could be wrong

Sarin is a chemical weapon, not a bio weapon. It cannot be "killed" by an explosion. The devise was *designed* to explode.

 

The s-*BAD WORD*- was designed to be fired from something, not to be used as a road side bomb. The idiot terrorists who rigged it up probably didn't know what it really was. The chemicals did not mix pre-explosion, so there was only a small ammount of gas released. If it had been fired properly, people *would* be dead.

[»nintendo64]

exactly Zig - no exit strategy.  Someone said it here already -- this war is better fought abroad then in Iraq.  We need to be spending billions in manhunting terrorists, not insurgents.

Why not spend BILLIONS on developing countries? if people on those countries had 1/4 opportunity of an USA citizen or any other industrious country, wouldn't they be happy how they are, instead of attacking the bigger countries as a call for attention?

 

Don't you know why people steal? they steal to get money, because they have none, you teach them how to earn, and they'll probably change. A Good Enviroment for a person DOES influence on the person's future actions.

 

Well, the problem is countries such as USA wants their foreign slave labor, pay them dirt. Less Pay for the laborer, More Profit, that's how capitalism work doesn't it? maximize profits, minimize costs.

 

-nintendo64

[A Soldier]

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i saw that pic on TV; its fake

[Tascar]

Why not spend BILLIONS on developing countries? if people on those countries had 1/4 opportunity of an USA citizen or any other industrious country, wouldn't they be happy how they are, instead of attacking the bigger countries as a call for attention?

 

Don't you know why people steal? they steal to get money, because they have none, you teach them how to earn, and they'll probably change. A Good Enviroment for a person DOES influence on the person's future actions.

 

Well, the problem is countries such as USA wants their foreign slave labor, pay them dirt. Less Pay for the laborer, More Profit, that's how capitalism work doesn't it? maximize profits, minimize costs.

 

-nintendo64

ya know nin, I couldn't agree with you more. I believe that much of what you say is true - give people opportunities and SOME will make a million -- others will still complain. (that's just human nature).

 

Opportunity is opposite of slavery. If you are enslaved to a master, then you will have little opportunity. However, if you are simply down on your luck, and unwilling to work your -*BAD WORD*- off to make a bad situation good, you have no one to blame but yourself. This is a lot like people who ask for handouts -- they ask for them because they are normally too lazy to do it themselves. Normally, but not always.

 

Anyway, despite that the USA uses cheap labor abroad, those labor costs in those countries are normally sustaining enough for the people doing the work. The flip side of that is to keep all the work in the USA -- in which many people abroad wouldn't have any opportunity at all.

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[Vegito]

I read a decent theory somewhere about this sarin s-*BAD WORD*-.

 

 

Let's put yourself in the oppositions shoes. You know the US is expecting some WMD. You know they brought biological full body suits with them, every soldier carries one. You remember seeing them dressed in these during the initial invasion. Now its summer, upwards of 120 degree weather. Hmmm, you know what would give me an advantage? somehow make them feel the heat even more. I know! Make them put on their bio suits.... but how? I know! Let's scrounge up a small amount of that sarin stuff and load it into a s-*BAD WORD*-. None of us know what we are doing, but it'll be enough to spook em.

 

 

Look at the facts... that s-*BAD WORD*- was not done right. Weapons experts say that if it was exploded most of the ignition would have killed the sarin, making it useless. This is not a sign of a country housing weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction. If you ask me, this was to get our troops to put suits on so they can die in exteremely hot weather, while insurgents with shorts on take pot shots at them.

 

-- just a theory, i could be wrong

Sarin is a chemical weapon, not a bio weapon. It cannot be "killed" by an explosion. The devise was *designed* to explode.

 

The s-*BAD WORD*- was designed to be fired from something, not to be used as a road side bomb. The idiot terrorists who rigged it up probably didn't know what it really was. The chemicals did not mix pre-explosion, so there was only a small ammount of gas released. If it had been fired properly, people *would* be dead.

I'm too lazy right now to find the article where I read that. It was something to do with how IEDs generally suck. They said there is so many things that can go wrong with them, and it had something to do with the mixture. If the chemicals mixed too soon or something, then the impact explosion would nullify the hazardous properties.

[Tascar]

Are either of you chem majors? No....

[MonteZuma]

In any case, the s-*BAD WORD*- was found to pre-date the first gulf war. heh.

[Dr Brain]

Yes. I couldn't have put it better myself, Monte. Saddam was in volation of treaties for more than 10 years.

[MonteZuma]

Yes. We are talking about a s-*BAD WORD*- so deadly, that when it exploded, it caused two people to suffer nausea and blurred vision for a few hours. That certainly is a WMD! Thank heavens US troops found it before it was used to terrorise the western world!

 

I'm sure the families of the 10,000 Iraqis and 500 Americans who have died would agree that this useless s-*BAD WORD*- justifies their loss.

[»ZiGNoTZaG]

exactly Zig - no exit strategy.  Someone said it here already -- this war is better fought abroad then in Iraq.  We need to be spending billions in manhunting terrorists, not insurgents.

Why not spend BILLIONS on developing countries? if people on those countries had 1/4 opportunity of an USA citizen or any other industrious country, wouldn't they be happy how they are, instead of attacking the bigger countries as a call for attention?

 

Don't you know why people steal? they steal to get money, because they have none, you teach them how to earn, and they'll probably change. A Good Enviroment for a person DOES influence on the person's future actions.

 

Well, the problem is countries such as USA wants their foreign slave labor, pay them dirt. Less Pay for the laborer, More Profit, that's how capitalism work doesn't it? maximize profits, minimize costs.

 

-nintendo64

America wasnt just handed to us. No bigger more powerfull country at the time helped us out, or gave us anything. it was fought for and earned by the spending of many lives.

 

Why should i, even for a second consider giving up even more of tax dollars to help them become even more dangerous? they have alot of natural resources....and have had them. they just dropped the ball. The US is also way younger than any of those places. its not like they havent had time.

 

is the US supposed be picking up the slack for countries that cant earn what they desire? happyness is not found elsewhere, it comes from inside. from your own societies will to be ahead of the game. so the whole problem stems back to the average mentality of the individuals that live there.

 

nothing is free in this world except death. everything else you pay for in one way or another.

 

now topic...topic.... erm

 

i have to agree that the WMD excuse does look pretty flimsy now. that thing wasnt really what i would call a WMD. but....i do see other aspects that come from this as well. for one it sends a pretty clear message, that there is no place to hide. these 3rd world contries are no longer a haven for the worlds trash. (dont get me wrong there. people are people, and like ive mentioned before....im sure that generaly iraqis are good people.)

 

if we even think that you might have some, and the general concesses is that you shouldnt have them. you better watch out. cuss your being watched. and action will be taken. there is no doubt. as proven.

[MonteZuma]

I think that Iraq has sent a message to rogue nations that being "rogueish" is not acceptable. This might be a good thing (eg Libya and maybe Iran and Nth Korea). But I think it could probably have been handled better/differently. Consensually through the UN would be my preferred option for managing rogue nations. But I concede that this method is somewhat flawed.

 

The navel blockade might be another way. Better intelligence gathering? Sanctions? Travel restrictions? Better passport/immigration technology? Dunno. I find it hard to believe that such a blunt instrument as a full blown invasion is the best way to send a message to abberant(sp?) nations.

 

But anyway...this is supposed to be a war on terror. What has the Iraq invasion done to curb terrorism? I think the threat from terrorism is no less now (and may in fact be worse) than it was before Iraq was invaded. Afghanistan on the other hand probably achieved a lot - by messing with Al Qaeda.