Pub arena...

[Rixsta]

Hey following my last post i was just wondering the current views on the pub arena... i know quite a few people dont like it. In my opinion i think its ok.

 

Anyway the point of this message was to find out Why people dont like it? or why they do?

 

And what should be changed? and to what? and what shouldn't be changed?

 

Anyway this should make an intresting read... if anyone reply's lol

[SeVeR]

I don't like it because it gets boring too quickly. The only point to the gameplay is soccer which is only fun when its being played (not alot of the time). When its not the killing takes over which in the current ships is only fun in the jav. But coming back to my first point it becomes boring very fast especially as the bases are easily learned and there is nothing else in the arena of interest.

 

My ideas in order of importance would be:

 

1. Change the ships other than the jav to make them playable in leagues as well as pub like the jav is currently and always has been.

 

Once this has been done.

 

2. Make pub larger and more open with 4 small bases each containing one flag. It might be fun then to make spawn points for the two frequencies so that one side is affectively owned more by a certain frequency. Soccer in 17th is annoying and easily beaten by other zones so should be removed.

 

3. Sit back and watch the population rise. ..Like China..

[Cid Firefist]

I don't like it either, north is pointless and it just gets old. I think that the ?go league arena would make an AWESOME pub. The ball game is much more fast paced and exciting and the flags have a point to them. Points should be reset after each round so that you have to flag to buy rockets and other stuff but kills should remain.

[Yupa]

I don't like it because it gets boring too quickly. The only point to the gameplay is soccer which is only fun when its being played (not alot of the time). When its not the killing takes over which in the current ships is only fun in the jav. But coming back to my first point it becomes boring very fast especially as the bases are easily learned and there is nothing else in the arena of interest.

that is the nature of boredom, not a fault in the zone

 

1. Change the ships other than the jav to make them playable in leagues as well as pub like the jav is currently and always has been.

...or you could make leagues to fit the ships...like a pub league

I don't really understand all this fanaticism about all ships being able to play together in events - it doesn't happen in most zones.

Ships are not supposed to be the same, otherwise we would only need ESC and 1

 

2. Make pub larger and more open with 4 small bases each containing one flag. It might be fun then to make spawn points for the two frequencies so that one side is affectively owned more by a certain frequency.

it's hard enough getting people to bother with the ONE stupid base we have, four would be weird (though I'm guessing this comment relies on the next sentence, so bah

 

Soccer in 17th is annoying and easily beaten by other zones so should be removed.

I love 17th Soccer - it's what I play most.

You see people in North base a lot? I sure don't. Know what that means? It means they're either just fighting or playing soccer.

The only other big soccer zones are Powerball and Hockey - neither of which involve base fighting at all.

 

3. Sit back and watch the population rise. ..Like China..

always with the population

the population is FINE

[Yupa]

Hey following my last post i was just wondering the current views on the pub arena... i know quite a few people dont like it. In my opinion i think its ok.

 

Anyway the point of this message was to find out Why people dont like it? or why they do?

 

And what should be changed? and to what? and what shouldn't be changed?

 

Anyway this should make an intresting read... if anyone reply's lol

I would lose North base and put turf flags east and west, like opalmap.

 

It just makes sense.

[Rixsta]

The most fun i can honestly say is when there is a base wars, defending your goal with ya team mates is cool, especially when its fairly even number defending and attacking they can go on for quite a while...

 

The Thing i like about the zone is the soccer part... when you get a good number of players it can be quite enjoyable...

 

The thing i dislike is the useless parts of the game... for example north base... and some parts of the base... like the 2 routes towards the goal (direct or round abit) now in general North was good when people did care about it, and the defending element to was awesome, because there was loatsa of layers so u could defend from right out front to a little further in and right back to the final door.

 

To improve it i would like to see maybe more depth to the base, yet less complex routing towards it, flags leading to the centre of the base (the goal) would be good, because it could help entice people into base wars, but base wars in terms of defending your goal, not keeping your flags... Anyway thats just my opinion, obviously alot of people like alot of elements to the game, so everyones idea of a good pub will be different.

[SeVeR]

I made those bases and hate them.. what does that say about it?

 

North is totally pointless i agree.

 

Lets try: 4 small bases, all different, all with one flag in. A spawn point for each freq halfway between 2 bases on 'their side'. Then lets watch a full-scale war take place.

 

As for the ships, they f*cking blow the crap out from under the fridge and clog the fan till it bloody stops working. Start a scratch, build around the jav please. It IS important to have leagues where you can use all the ships. Its simply more enjoyable to have a choice of all the ships. We have the best league ship in all of subspace in the jav, lets add to it and develop our leagues.

 

 

ALSO:

 

The whole map is longer in the north/south direction which is confusing and wrong.

 

The soccer bases ARE COMPLETELY BORING THE HECK OUT OF ME. Its not the nature of boredom or whatever.. DSB never got boring and neither did swr when they had good maps up. I came back after 3 months away at christmas and played 17th pub for a couple of hours before never coming back. It stinks. Get rid of it totally, get rid of soccer. The problem with newbie map-makers though is when they make a flagging map they put in about 30 flags and no-one is bothered to find em all and no-one can defend em either. I'll make one myself if i had the time.

[Naedhaha]

My opinion: Norht is -*BAD WORD*-, every thing else is ok

[GhettoSmurf]

i think north is a good idea, but right now it's too big and complex. if it is made so flags are still defendable, but it doesn't take 5 minutes to get them all, i think there would be more flag wars, which are generally a good thing. but right now, no1 really cares enough to spend the time getting flags and defending them, cuz they take forever to get.

[DaKillaRoach]

Switch the map around so its like the oldie map so we have north and south bases again

 

At the moment north base it too large and useless. If you are wanting to put flags somewhere, put them in east and west like was done before. This increased the amount of basing and soccer playing by ALOT on that freaky friday because the flags were easy to get and maintain

 

Soccer wise... well im unsure. To me its boring as -*BAD WORD*- because I can get from one side of the arena to the other, in base, around all obstacles and score within 60 seconds (in a fast ship like a shark) without dropping the ball once. If things like that can be achieved, then its fair to say, the map either really sucks, or the game play does.

 

Get a new map which is harder to master and more fun to play, throw in the soccer game because 17th is the only place with the best soccer for me because things like Hockey zone suck butt, sprinkle a few flags in each base in suitable places, then adjust the ship settings to the map in a sensible and according fashion.

 

Also, really if your going to change the ship settings, as much as I REALLY hate the jav, dont change it, its fine for its cause. Put the old lancaster back; that was a true defination of that ship and really makes it the ship it SHOULD be, and turn the weasel into the weasel from ?go 2v2. A fast paced fighter to compete with the javelin and yet has different weaknesses to the javelin keeping that original effect.

[Aileron]

I like the weasel as it is...MINI SHIP POWAH!!

 

Seriously, I'm sure that 90% of complaints about the weasel comed from jav pilots who for once in their life have to deal with a disadvantage.

 

Its a paper rock scissors thing...the weasels have a disadvantage against the warbirds, who have a disadvantage to the javs, who are weak against weasels. The five other ships fit somewhere in there.

[DaKillaRoach]

The current weasel was a weakness against nothing except maybe one thing; the levi.

 

Especially in the hands of a lagger player it can become unstoppable but that was said from the start of it being made small so whatever.

[La Muerta Rosa]

In pub, i do not care for how when a soccer game is going, it ends up just a bunch of people attaching over and over, spamming specials, then getting killed.

 

There needs to be something that puts people out of the fight for a longer period of time. Either a higher attach bounty across the board, or a long timeout period when you die.

 

This way each team will have to be more strategic and more careful if they wish to score goals, teams will have to be more co-ordinated.

 

While i am flying around, i always see people spawn, then 1 second later they disappear (attach to someone in a base)

 

I doubt this idea is going to be a popular one, but i think attaching in this manner "dumbs down" the soccer game. It deteriorates the game into who has more people attaching quickly...

 

The ideal for me, would be to set the attach bounty quite high, so that each person would have to spend at least 30 sec-1 minute greening if they want to attach to someone who is already in the base.

 

This would lead to more people accually trying to fly into the base from the entrance, and the front of the base would gain a larger strategic advanatge.

[Unikum]

It's ok. Just don't know what the base in north are doing there

[SeVeR]

Is it possible to have warp points? ..some place on the map where if u fly over it you get teleported (warped) to another spot, maybe by a bot? That'd be a cool thing to use in 17th.

[Telson]

yes sever.. its used in ?go duel

 

also Omega Fire does it in there pub map

[Yupa]

swr, now, too

[SeVeR]

lets use em here then. it'll certainly be fun

[Purity]

it was also used in the pub of CC , a small project of godspeejam and bloody kisses i think, it had 4 bases i think, and by warp points it was the only way to get into the bases .

it was really cool