Spider attach bty

[Cid Firefist]

Attach bty is too high and greening sucks

[kentbrockman]

make it 33 or 34.

[Delic]

Vile got owned by spiders one day and decided to do this

I say lower it to 35 or 34

[Vile Requiem]

Be careful what you wish for

[ntfx]

Up it to 60, I -*BAD WORD*-ing hate em

[Yupa]

let me tell you all a little story, it goes like this:

 

one day, the sysops decided to -*BAD WORD*- with the settings

the next day, kentbrockman decided to exploit the sysops -*BAD WORD*- and lay bricks eternally

so the sysops -*BAD WORD*-ed with settings more and raised shark attach bty to 'fix' it instead of just UN-*BAD WORD*-ing the settings

eventually (because of the -*BAD WORD*-ing) it was only fair to raise spider attach bty, too - as millions of bricks and millions of bursts tend to have the same effect

 

now everybody just S T F U before the sets get EVEN MORE -*BAD WORD*-ed up

[DaKillaRoach]

This is just calling for naed -.-'

[Vile Requiem]

Continuation of the story: Since when didn't the shark have bricks?

 

Kent just shows suiciding as a possible strat to reclaim prizes, like in any non-svs zone.

How would you suggest we fix that akai? Magic? Or what I DID do (at one point) and up their attach bounty

 

Remember...in the olden days all ships had attach bounty to stop kenting. Now people -*BAD WORD*- if there's any at all, but then -*BAD WORD*- at Kent et al. You can't have it both ways

[Yupa]

Continuation of the story: Since when didn't the shark have bricks?

um, I don't know or care, it's not relevant

[Delic]

I just had a vision.

The vision told me that if we change back to old arena/ship settings everything will be fixed.

 

Omg.

 

Seriously though... old bricks = much harder to brick-warp with but still has the function that bricks should have.

 

But it doesn't seem to matter how much I prove to these silly upper staffers that changing back to old settings would be better.. because they couldn't possibly admit that all these changes were bad changes

 

PLUS, Vile's next plan is going to fix everything.

[Rixsta]

But brick warping has become quite a tactic now, people should be aware of it and try and avoid it... if you know a Shark is coming towards you not firing, you either know they're new or they're guna brick warp you. May sound obvious but try and get away from it, although its -*BAD WORD*- hard in base wars.

[Vile Requiem]

Yay!

 

Seriously though... old bricks = much harder to brick-warp with but still has the function that bricks should have.

 

?go original brick span = 9

?go oldmap (old sets as verified by Unc Sexay) brick span = 11

New brick span = 9

 

Thus it's harder to brickwarp NOW due to bricks only being 81% of their old length, and if compared to original length is identical.

 

Vile, proving people wrong since 2000

[Telson]

I just had a vision.

The vision told me that if we change back to old arena/ship settings everything will be fixed.

:muhah:

[Delic]

Yes, I know that it's become a tactic now Rix, the most stupidest a SubSpace zone can provide.

This game is supposed to be about one team FIGHTING another, with weapons, until one team defeats the other one by killing them, not by making them disappear, wtf.

 

This only shows how foolish the 17th gameplay has become.

 

Vile, you're a very technical person, which seems like both your weakness and your strength

I suppose you only read the BrickSpan when you checked the settings in ?go oldmap.. because in there Sharks don't even have bricks.

My definition of "old settings" is how the settings were before Nurples and Zeke started their changes, which means how the previous SysOps had left them.

Bricks had a span of 3 pixels. I'm surprised that you don't remember

?go Oldmap2

[Yupa]

the span is irrelevant

[Rixsta]

True say Delic, but fundamentally 17th is about the ball game, therefore anything that helps you score a goal should be used, and in theory be a 'good' thing. Now whether or not its a good thing in terms of the ball game im not sure, but its -*BAD WORD*- annoying in general, especially when people dont even attempt to fight you... just chase you to get close enough to warp you.

 

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As for avoiding it, maybe there could be another way in which the brick works when its layed on a user, this is probably more to do with the actual game rather than the zones settings though... if it repels you when it's layed on you, that might work, or that if that its just physically impossibe to do it, e.g if it would of been layed on you it ends up laying to the right of ya.... any way, it just doesn't seem right having to change an entire ships settings for a few users that dont know the true potential of what is a good ship.

[Vile Requiem]

I seem to remember sharks bricking those "wings" of the upper base quite well.

This was when I first started before the map switch, so it was between Sept 2000 and Jan 2001. If that's 3 then I'm absolutely nuts

 

Bricks if you lay them on someone will warp them. It's just what they do.

[Yupa]

I seem to remember north base being irrelevant, too

[Vile Requiem]

I'm going to pretend Akai passed any reading comprehension exam he may have taken in his lifetime and ignore his latest post

[Telson]

there is really no way to stop brickwarping other than not having bricks... Its like a cheap door warp.. Bricking the baller is a nice tatic, but going around bricking someone for the -*BAD WORD*- of it.. is just lame

[NBVegita]

Bounty should stay where it is, being this was originally about the spider, and not the shark.

 

I've been playing this zone for longer than pretty much anyone (with some exceptions) and there have always been shark brickings, no more or less than now.

 

And I don't think we need another thread about old sets. No matter what words are said about them now, the people of the 17th showed us, ohh so many years ago, what they thought of the old settings. Thats why nurps and zeke did what they did. Even sheep run for a reason.

[Delic]

I've been playing this zone for longer than pretty much anyone (with some exceptions) and there have always been shark brickings' date=' no more or less than now.[/quote']

 

wtf? That's ridiculous heh. People started brickwarping after it got easier to brickwarp (duh) after Zeke increased the brickspan.

I've been playing, yes playing, not just been online and sitting in spec, for 3 years, I know this, heh.

 

And I don't think we need another thread about old sets. No matter what words are said about them now' date=' the people of the 17th showed us, ohh so many years ago, what they thought of the old settings.[/quote']

 

Oh? All I can remember is what they thought of the NEW settings. EVERYONE was against them. And no matter how many people told Zeke how they felt, nothing was done about it, so don't come to me with that bullshït heh.

Zeke said so himself, Zeke got so tired of hearing what people thought of what he did that he started ignoring them ffs.

 

Thats why nurps and zeke did what they did. Even sheep run for a reason.

 

Neither of those two staffers knew anything about this zone' date=' neither of them had any real contact with the community, so how can you say that?

 

It seems to me that you NBV defend whatever it is that upper staff does, without really considering the effects of the actions they've done and do has on the gameplay.

 

Fact is, Vile got owned by spiders, he got upset about it and that's why he made this change.

That's what he said himself.

Now, if you're a sysop, you can't just look at it like that, you have to look at the gameplay from a higher perspective, not from one single ship's/player's point of view.

This seems to be difficult for most people.

Nurples and Zeke listened to whiners and made all the ships easier to fight with, instead of looking at the gameplay as a whole.

 

I'll just shut up about that now because it's probably just like talking to a wall, and I as I said, there's no way that upper staff (Mike, pern too probably, and some others) will admit that most of the changes that have been made in the past 2 and a half years have slowly made the zone worse, or maybe they just don't see it.

 

Nothing in pub makes sense anymore when it comes to the gameplay/[b']17th Parallel[/b]

It's all like a big mess and it seems like everyone forgot what this zone is supposed to be about.

No one even considers the Vietnam theme anymore, and the people who changed the ships didn't even think about what the ships' purpose (missions) would be.

 

See, that is the difference between the new settings and the old settings.

The new settings are just unnecessary tweaks, the old settings were well thought of and were designed the way that they were designed for a reason, other than to please the usual whiner.

 

And no, I'm not saying that I'm above all others and that I know more than everyone about this zone, I know what I know and I know that some people made changes that they just should not have made, because it messed this zone up.

 

If we want this zone to grow, and I don't mean just grow population-wise, but also have a gameplay with quality so that both subspace veterans and newbies have something to play for, we need to give people something that can't be found in any other zone, something unique, something that has some meaning in it.

 

We lost all that long ago. Until you people in charge realize that, we'll be stuck with all kinds of problems forever.

 

If you make a change, you explain why you made it by showing everyone the benefits of the change.

Nobody who've had the power of changing things in this zone have been able to do something as simple as that.

[Yupa]

what Mak said (for the most part anyways)

[kentbrockman]

id rather see the zone change its name than go into a vietnam plot.

 

this is not a democracy. and it doesnt have to be. im impressed with how well law and order is brought into this zone. i run a simpsons forum, and the admins there just ban anyone they dont like.

 

the problem is no one really knows what they want. they ask what you want, and you say old ship settings. watch them put the old shipping settings on now. everyone will quit.

 

vile is the only sysop that really plays. mikethenose can be caught, but he just javs in the middle. i trust vile to do his best for this zone. of course, if he doesnt like the old ship settings, they wont come back. vile seems to listen to advice quite well. he created ?go league, and ran a tournament for it, because of a simple thread made in this forum.

[Cid Firefist]

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