pixelsoft Posted April 28, 2004 Report Posted April 28, 2004 http://www.livejournal.com/community/warpics/
Dav Posted April 28, 2004 Report Posted April 28, 2004 an unfotunate consequence of war, especially when the us keep tehmselevs there. I hought power was being giben to the UN and america withdrawing.
Himura Kenshin Posted April 28, 2004 Report Posted April 28, 2004 thats -*BAD WORD*-ing nothing. i was watching aabic news and it showed this little kid that's house was bombed he looked fine from on side on the other his insides were gushing out
Canada_rox Posted April 28, 2004 Report Posted April 28, 2004 only idiots think war come without consequences for both sides. now as for her.. well i think she can make a point without using those kind of pics
Confess Posted April 28, 2004 Report Posted April 28, 2004 all i have to say is...jesus christ!!!! that was horrible!!
talion Posted April 29, 2004 Report Posted April 29, 2004 war is ugly, who said it wasn't? i saw a clip of an interview (Again, on teh daily show) that had bush saying "i think of myself as a war president." then jon stewart: "why didnt you say that in 2000?!" in other news, if i were american i'd be very very afraid right now of the big D word. cue the republicans lining up to defend their insanity... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=...draft&printer=1 "There's not an American ... that doesn't understand what we are engaged in today and what the prospects are for the future," Senator Chuck Hagel told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on post-occupation Iraq. "Why shouldn't we ask all of our citizens to bear some responsibility and pay some price?" Hagel said, arguing that restoring compulsory military service would force "our citizens to understand the intensity and depth of challenges we face." The Nebraska Republican added that a draft, which was ended in the early 1970s, would spread the burden of military service in Iraq more equitably among various social strata.
MonteZuma Posted April 30, 2004 Report Posted April 30, 2004 Now what about these pictures of Iraqis being tortured and humiliated by US soldiers? These are war crimes. Are Americans really any different to Iraqis? maybe some are worse? I suspect that by dehumanising their enemy, the US has dehumanised some of their own soldiers. Those soldiers behaved like animals. Disgusting. The repurcussions of this for captured coalition forces and hostages could be bad. Real bad. As ugly as the photos are in the original post, they certainly help put a human face back on this war. PS I notice that this story has already been buried at cnn.com. Is CNN a US propaganda machine or what? It is still front page news (where it belongs) on the BBC, ABC (Australia) websites and even CBS websites. Although I note that even CBS didn't broadcast the story until the pictures leaked out elsewhere. They were told not to by the US government. Free press in the US my -*BAD WORD*-. http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/40098000...18_myrie_vi.ram
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted April 30, 2004 Report Posted April 30, 2004 yawn, im not impressed. where are the pictures of the shredded up GI's? sure losing innocent lives is not a good thing. and no doubt most of the ppl in those pictures dont even come close to deserving that. as far as US brutality agaisnt Iraqis? a direct result of the frustrations brought apon them by the constant harasment from cowardly iraqi militant groups who shoot RPG's at soldiers from within crowds of civilians. what do you want? "ok would the guy that shot that rpg please step out from the crowd so we can shoot you?" gimmie a break. and as far as US doing this wrong, and US doing that wrong...blaa blaa blaa from all you. what could you possibly know about it. As the saying goes.... its EZ to judge a man until youve walked in his shoes. or mayhap... "what you think your -*BAD WORD*- dont stink?" its not a pretty situtaion. but i know with almost 100% certainty that no-one here could have handled the situation any better if they had control. and if you think you could have...your wrong. all you really have is talk. zero action.
MonteZuma Posted April 30, 2004 Report Posted April 30, 2004 yawn, im not impressed. where are the pictures of the shredded up GI's? sure losing innocent lives is not a good thing. and no doubt most of the ppl in those pictures dont even come close to deserving that. as far as US brutality agaisnt Iraqis? a direct result of the frustrations brought apon them by the constant harasment from cowardly iraqi militant groups who shoot RPG's at soldiers from within crowds of civilians. what do you want? "ok would the guy that shot that rpg please step out from the crowd so we can shoot you?" gimmie a break. and as far as US doing this wrong, and US doing that wrong...blaa blaa blaa from all you. what could you possibly know about it. As the saying goes.... its EZ to judge a man until youve walked in his shoes. or mayhap... "what you think your -*BAD WORD*- dont stink?" its not a pretty situtaion. but i know with almost 100% certainty that no-one here could have handled the situation any better if they had control. and if you think you could have...your wrong. all you really have is talk. zero action.Cowardly isn't quite the right word for these militants or terrorists or whatever they are. A rag-tag group of ill-equipped and ill-trained people against the might of the US military is hardly an act of cowardice. Is it brave to stand up wearing rags and use a pea-shooter against a friggin tank? They do what they think they have to do. Regardless of how futile, counter-productive, reprehensible or immoral it is. But it is hardly cowardly. Oh...and just because there are reasons behind the actions of those torturers (frustration - as you put it). That doesn't make it justifiable. Who know...maybe we would do the same thing if we were in the same situation....But whatever...It sure as -*BAD WORD*- wouldnt be justifiable. and WTF? Walk in his shoes? What do you mean by that? You think I can't judge someone who tortures another person until I do it myself? BS. I will judge whoever I want, whenever i want. If it was an Iraqi torturing an American I'm sure as -*BAD WORD*- you would've judged them in a flash. And the American government's response would be harsh and brutal and there would be a -*BAD WORD*- of a lot of "collateral" damage. Its a double standard. Clearly those soldiers thought that their -*BAD WORD*- didn't stink anywhere near as much as the people they tortured. The problem with people like you is that you think the only type of action that matters is action involving force. Force didn't work in Iraq. Force has made matters worse. "Talk" would've been much more productive. I guess that is what Blix was on about all along. As for control...The US has NEVER had control in Iraq. The US might never have control either.
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted April 30, 2004 Report Posted April 30, 2004 Cowardly isn't quite the right word for these militants or terrorists or whatever they are. A rag-tag group of ill-equipped and ill-trained people against the might of the US military is hardly an act of cowardice. Is it brave to stand up wearing rags and use a pea-shooter against a friggin tank? They do what they think they have to do. Regardless of how futile, counter-productive, reprehensible or immoral it is. But it is hardly cowardly.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ laf..ill equiped... they are very well armed with weapons that make tanks pretty much useless in the middle of a city. and more and more weapons pour across poorly defended borderes daily. unless your gonna take that tank in there and use it to its destructive potential. which because of the cowardly way they fight, you cant. cant use it like that against them if you dont want to murdfer innocent ppl, they shoot at you from behind a civilians house, then when you blast that house to ground with your tank. everyone cries abuse abuse. so you cant do that. a tank is made to fight an enemy force that is agressivly defenfing thier terriotory with large weapons(tanks and AA and artil)of thier own. basicaly they have nothing to really fear about the tanks, as long as they know the sheep like at!@#$%^&*ude of the world is ooh how terrible. so what now we are suppose to be thier police too? the great american global police. screw that. protect and serve? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh...and just because there are reasons behind the actions of those torturers (frustration - as you put it). That doesn't make it justifiable. Who know...maybe we would do the same thing if we were in the same situation....But whatever...It sure as -*BAD WORD*- wouldnt be justifiable. and WTF? Walk in his shoes? What do you mean by that? You think I can't judge someone who tortures another person until I do it myself? BS. I will judge whoever I want, whenever i want. If it was an Iraqi torturing an American I'm sure as -*BAD WORD*- you would've judged them in a flash. And the American government's response would be harsh and brutal and there would be a -*BAD WORD*- of a lot of "collateral" damage. Its a double standard. ---------------------------------------- oh yes you can climb nice and high on your imaginary box and judge whoever you want, but you cant always believe what you see. and if you do then you need to wake up. sometimes theres alot behind images we see that is left totaly unclear and the images show to us are just pieces of infinite time. often selected purposfully and decievingly. nobody was talking about justice here. yes humans are animals, and they will become animals when you place them into a situation that agrivates primal instinctive reactions like fear and pain.-----------------------------------------------------------Clearly those soldiers thought that their -*BAD WORD*- didn't stink anywhere near as much as the people they tortured. The problem with people like you is that you think the only type of action that matters is action involving force. Force didn't work in Iraq. Force has made matters worse. "Talk" would've been much more productive. I guess that is what Blix was on about all along. As for control...The US has NEVER had control in Iraq. The US might never have control either. --------------------------------------------------- you dont know what those soldiers thought.
Dav Posted April 30, 2004 Report Posted April 30, 2004 i hardly call somone willing to die for their cause a coward, no matter how valid that cause is. thay cant take tanks into mid city to fight because the destructive power will kill som many innocent civilians. These innocents may be injerd but thay are mearly caught in the crossfire, doing somthing that will kill many inocent people for cirtain is not acceptable in war weather you are the US or iraq.
talion Posted April 30, 2004 Report Posted April 30, 2004 Anyone on this side of the Atlantic (that is to say, the North American side) has no right to the "you're all talk, you do nothing" at!@#$%^&*ude. You did nothing for Bush except vote for him, which I find unlikely given that your choice of punctuation and spelling leads me to believe you weren't eligible in 2000. That aside, Monte is about right. Humans may be animals beneath all our social conventions, but without those conventions we are no better than gorillas, with the ability to wipe out all life on this planet. Saying that some killer instinct takes over in high-stress situations may have some merit, but I would think someone with the discipline and training that the armies of the world provide would be able to switch that instinct on and off. I for sure don't want the Canadians in Iraq now coming back and still having their brains set on "kill all hostiles" when they come back. That is NOT socially acceptable behaviour in any situation but the military - in combat! If a soldier can't exhibit the strength, or discipline even, to control themselves once the fighting is over, they shouldn't be soldiers. They should be cannon fodder, because I sure as -*BAD WORD*- don't want people like that living in my country. zig your ignorance is amazing. i had something in here about hoping the recruiters hit your town first when the draft gets implemented, but realized you're probably underage for that. oh well.no further text.
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted April 30, 2004 Report Posted April 30, 2004 That is NOT socially acceptable behaviour in any situation but the military - in combat! it is combat. nice attempt to elevate yourself with the ole spelling slam. dont presume to tell me who i voted for thanks. dont shoot me down for injecting opinions about something i have little involment in if you plan on injecting your own. i seriously doubt your on the front lines of any of this.
Bacchus Posted April 30, 2004 Report Posted April 30, 2004 If someone came to your house saying:" hey, your house is all messy, let me help you tidy it up a little", then he begins ripping the wall open, burning unwanted papers, making you arrange your bed this and not that way...certainly not your way. Then, after that frustrating day, he announces that he'll be staying the night...unwanted guest you say but the stranger isn't finished yet and won't be finished anytime soon. You ask him to leave he answers with weapons. What you do? The stranger "moral highground" doesn't mean -*BAD WORD*- to you, he bothers you with his idea of freedom, democracy, etc. Who cares! You just want him gone, still he persists. what will be your actions to have him go? Call him "father" and yay toward a new day? or just say "-*BAD WORD*- you, get out of MY house". this fable was brought be a drunk bacchus. Hope you enjoyed it, sit back enjoy the ride. Bu bye C'mon, americans are just pissed off because they're losing it.
talion Posted May 1, 2004 Report Posted May 1, 2004 So if you didn't vote for Bush, if you voted at all, you voted for who then? The other other republican? Anyways, we kind of strayed from the original theme. Below is quoted your first post on this thread. "yawn, im not impressed." What would it take to impress you? A mushroom cloud over Baghdad? Well, this isn't as engaging as my earlier post was to write, so I'm stopping here. MonteZuma already said it all anyways. I just don't understand how such images can "not impress" you. As for pictures of the shredded up GIs, those are probably controlled by the pentagon. Pictures of coffins covered in American flags only recently got into the media, and it was mentioned in some thread on ssforum that they are already being buried by the media. I don't watch CNN or any news network for long periods of time, but it seems to be all about Jacko, and Marines fighting, never dying. yawn' date=' im not impressed. where are the pictures of the shredded up GI's? sure losing innocent lives is not a good thing. and no doubt most of the ppl in those pictures dont even come close to deserving that. as far as US brutality agaisnt Iraqis? a direct result of the frustrations brought apon them by the constant harasment from cowardly iraqi militant groups who shoot RPG's at soldiers from within crowds of civilians. what do you want? "ok would the guy that shot that rpg please step out from the crowd so we can shoot you?" gimmie a break. and as far as US doing this wrong, and US doing that wrong...blaa blaa blaa from all you. what could you possibly know about it. As the saying goes.... its EZ to judge a man until youve walked in his shoes. or mayhap... "what you think your -*BAD WORD*- dont stink?" its not a pretty situtaion. but i know with almost 100% certainty that no-one here could have handled the situation any better if they had control. and if you think you could have...your wrong. all you really have is talk. zero action.[/quote']
Paine Posted May 1, 2004 Report Posted May 1, 2004 Impressed? by people -*BAD WORD*-ing dying? -*BAD WORD*-ing sick -*BAD WORD*-s.
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted May 1, 2004 Report Posted May 1, 2004 i say im not impressed, meaning that these pictures dont come as any shock to me. i dont think you clearly understand what fearing for your life every single day can do to your mind after awhile. yuns seem to think good normal ppl who go oversees into some totaly -*BAD WORD*-ed up environment , where you cant do your job like you were trained to do it, should just be shot or die or however you put it....if they cant handle it. sounds to me like you shouldnt fling the word ignorant around too much. those pictures are the normal outcome of war. try not to get hooked so easily on the media. maybe you should look up the defenition of impressed while your at it too. and dont apply your own context to it.
Aileron Posted May 5, 2004 Report Posted May 5, 2004 [sarcasm]OMG, I didn't think people actually got hurt in war! I supported going into Iraq, but now...[/sarcasm] Seriously, I know the reasons why we went in, and I know that they justify the suffering. We went in knowing we were going to see these kind of pictures, so give it up. Those pictures are jokes - I've seen worse working in a back-country hospital without a trauma unit. If I didn't know where they were from, I'd say they were in a car accident. My advice - please don't shock people with pictures, they do not change the moral and logical situation, and if you absolutely have to use such pictures, find some that are actually shocking.
MonteZuma Posted May 5, 2004 Report Posted May 5, 2004 ...please don't shock people with pictures, they do not change the moral and logical situation, and if you absolutely have to use such pictures, find some that are actually shocking.If those pictures are jokes, I sure as -*BAD WORD*- don't get it? What is the funny punchline? Pictures change everything. There is something very different about seeing people wounded and killed in horrible accidents, and seeing people wounded and killed by weapons. I feel sorry for anyone who wasn't shocked by some of those pictures. Anyone with an intact set of emotions would feel something.
Bacchus Posted May 6, 2004 Report Posted May 6, 2004 I agree... Ail, Dav, etc...how can you face those horrible death with a poker face? how about those killed, burned alive, dragged through the street of fallujah, etc... You'll probably answered that those were barbarous act, whereas americans soldier are doing their jobs...no? sad... very sad. read my sig, click on the link. think a bit.
Dark Nexus Posted May 6, 2004 Report Posted May 6, 2004 As stated before, the whole point of war is to kill and subdue an enemy. So war must ultimately come with death, for civilians and active duty military members...this is not dodgeball. Look at WWII, around 55 million died in that war, and what percentage of those deaths were civilians? I do not believe that we are aiming out civilians, some of them just end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. Here is an idea of how many civilians were killed in just 5 years of combat. World-wide combat, but a war none the less. http://www.hitler.org/ww2-deaths.html What is that comapared to the amount of non-military personell that are killed today in wars like desert storm, and operation iraqi freedom. Maybe a little sized down to compare to the type of war going on now, the korean war which left 54,000 americans dead. How many more civilians would have died under a terrorist's reign in iraq? it is not good that children and what not are being killed in what i believe to be accidents, but we can't always just look at the photo's of the dead children and civilians and then form your opinions on the conflict. you still have to look at the whole picture.
Dav Posted May 6, 2004 Report Posted May 6, 2004 I agree... Ail, Dav, etc...how can you face those horrible death with a poker face? how about those killed, burned alive, dragged through the street of fallujah, etc... You'll probably answered that those were barbarous act, whereas americans soldier are doing their jobs...no? sad... very sad. read my sig, click on the link. think a bit.i hardly fase it with a poker face, we all wish that war was avoided and this did not happen. Many unneccacary deaths have occurd because of the fighting and there will be many more, it cant be stopped and all we can do is be sickend by these images. Some democrocy we live in when govenments go against the wish of the majority.
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