TCPA

[Dav]

Wll this seems to be a big issue at the moment so i thoyght id start a topic on the issue.

 

We all know what TCPA is, if not please read against tcpa and the what is page before participating.

 

The points for TCPA are very strong, and worthy of anti piricy measures.

 

The mucic industry and microsoft suffer emencally from people downloading illigal audio and software from the internet. Authopritiesd have attempted to shut down kazza to prvent such sofware and music coping. Im addition people lending disks to friends, borrowing cds from the libary and coping them and software cracks cost industry millions. TCPA provides the solution to this, it prevents illigal software being used on any system, and irradicates any "blacklist copies". It will also only alloe cd's to pe used on a system a limited number of times, or even not at all to stop "ripping" and will delete any illigal MP3s.

 

A final benifiot ios that confidential do-*BAD WORD*-ents will not be able to be leaked as they will be encrypted to use only one system.

 

This may be considerd a good thing by many people, indeed piracy pushes up prices but why is it happenybg to begin with?

 

Firstly the music indusry. People download MP3 becvause they do not want to pay for singlkes and albums, after all why pay when you can have it free? The other side of this is that surly a nice new CD is better then spending time downloading MP3 on the internet. The truth to this is record lables charge too much for music. In the uk you can expect to pay £3.50 for a single and £10-20 for an album. This is quite a high cost and this is dervived as follows:

 

you pay for the manufacture of the CD to start with, this is a fraction of the cost.

You then pay for the added charge by the record comany to pay the artist and their admin.

Finally you pay the company you buy it from for their commision.

 

considering that artist can get millions from one album and a couple of singles, it appers that alot of money is going to them, and this is from the money we pay. Surfice it to say that they can afford to redusce prices, amd if they did alot of people eill buy their music again.

 

Now lets look at microsoft. Again the price for microsoft products is high, also peole need microsoft to work at school or at work, and take work home. If people dont particually want microsoft and its expencive they dont want to pay the high prices for the products and so piracy arises. If alternatives were mor redally available and shown to those who know nthiong buttmicrosoft and prices were reduced, piracy would be reduced.

 

In light of this it seemes that TCPA is not the best option.

 

There are many other disadvantages to TCPA which greatly outweigh the advantages.

 

Many people use freeware and sharware on their PCs, this bracket evedently includes continuum. In addition people make their own software to perform personal admin tasks. As TCPA will only allow registerd software to ruin, and the cost of registration will be very high freeware will be irradicated as with thge cost it cannot be distributed free. In addition personal software will need registering so peole can no longer write their own programs (this will stop viruses and hackers but will also effect the security industry so many jobs are lost). For the reason of cost, small cominies will be irradicated as thay cannot afford the registration. This will lead to compinies going bust and thus reduce to cpomi!@#$%^&*ion in the market ultimatly allow the big cominies to raise costs. This will also occur for hardware as small hardware manufactures will not afford the register cost.

 

Moving on from this there is a risk that microsft will use this to make it very diffgicalt to use alternatives by encrypting their do-*BAD WORD*-ents to use only microsoft products. Althiugh thay may not be allowd to do this by law the rdused compitrition and increaded costs will meke this alot more difficault futher reducing microsofts compi!@#$%^&*ion. I also believe thses reasons will destroy linux ging microsoft almost total domination of the OS market.

 

Overasll this will make IT more expencive, damaging home users and businesses and remove chioce as the options will no longer be available. If the US introduces a bill to make all systems TCPA complient by law, amnd other nations follow then the choice will alost cirtanly be illiminated.

 

In conclution i say that TCPA will destroy ther IT industry, damage business and the home user and allow complete domination by few large compined and thus shoud not be allowd.

[Bargeld]

That's total bs.

 

1) You have no credibility in my eyes because you can't spell. This tells me that you are uneducated and that your rationale and bias are probably not well thought out.

 

2) Apps such as subspace (known as legacy software,) which are not originally encoded with the protection that TCPA offers will not be affected.

 

3) All software that uses TCPA will obviously be new software, which costs the producers money to create, and therefore they deserve the right to have it protected.

 

4) If ppl didn't pirate software and music, it wouldn't cost as much to buy it, and there would be no reason to pirate it. People who can afford software, music, etc. don't pirate things. Just because you are poor doesn't mean you have the right to use any software you want for free.

 

5) Professional athletes are overpaid, so are movie stars, lawyers, doctors, etc. Just because you think they are overpaid doesn't give you the right to steal from them. Spreading wealth amongst the population so that the poor recieve products for free, while the rich pay for it? There is a term for this: socialism.

 

http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dic...ry&va=socialism

2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

 

We live in a capitalistic society, where people can make make money any way they like, within the law. Just because you don't think it's fair doesn't give you the right to go vigilante on those entrepreneurs. You have the same opportunities as they do, it's your choice to not be successful, or to find out how to be successful. If you made 100k/year, you wouldn't care much about paying for the rights to things.

[Bacchus]

You have no credibility in my eyes because you can't spell. This tells me that you are uneducated and that your rationale and bias are probably not well thought out.

 

Not everyone speaks english in this world Bargeld

 

I saw a short do-*BAD WORD*-entary about this yesterday. In fact, low/mid range artists (those selling under 500 000k album for exemple) are usually under the thrall of their label. here's how it works:

 

A label pays for production cost, living charges (house, food, etc), promotion, touring, etc. Then the artists needs to repay the label.

 

Real life exemple:

 

Nirvana was a small band of losers then a major label noticed them, makes big promotion, lotsa shows etc. If you remember correctly Nirvana's first album sounded like crap, the songs were good but studio works was cheap. Nirvana's label did lotsa cash but Nirvana as a band did 30k. period.

 

~too lazy to find a link, i'll do it if you want~

 

What if...?

 

Nirvana used the internet "piracy" to sell albums instead of labels? Now, capitalism is all bout making money , legal money...true. But a lot of artists these days feels that the sharing network can be harnessed to their advantage. in fact, it's one of their main advantages against big, control freaks label.

 

here'S a fun quote from Jay-Z:

"Music INDUSTRY is suffering from file sharing, music isn't"

 

I don't have an opinion yet, but that's just another way to ponder it.

[MonteZuma]

4) If ppl didn't pirate software and music, it wouldn't cost as much to buy it, and there would be no reason to pirate it. People who can afford software, music, etc. don't pirate things. Just because you are poor doesn't mean you have the right to use any software you want for free.

Moral arguments aside....The cost of PC software is high and always has been.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if software piracy has dragged prices down in order to persuade people who might think of using pirate software to purchase instead.

 

...and despite piracy, software continues to be made and IT people continue to be relatively well paid. The IT industry isn't suffering because of piracy.

 

In any case...Whileever software is made up of bits and bytes, piracy will always exist, and policeing piracy will be virtually impossible. Software producers need to add value to their product to make purchasing more attractive to consumers than piracy.

 

Rather than bleat about it....software producers should be pro-active and positive about this. Every person who uses pirated software is a potential customer.

[ExplodyThingy]

Eck, I really dont have the energy to read this. Could someone like Ekted or Brain or some one sum it up in a paragraph, then give implications? Id love you.

 

Speaking of which, time to find my EFF banners.

[Tipme]

they're spying on us

[2pac]

its chip that doesnt let you use other peoples Cd-keys aka cracks for programs, they dont let you cheat,hack,look at porn, and cheat at games. Its called a fitez chip that doesnt let you do any bad thing like download from kazaa if you do anyhow the program deletes the music by itself. It is 2048 encrypted (secured) its like one of them riaa programs, microsoft supports and other companys do to like sony,intel,amd,nvidia etc.. its a secure computer. If it comes out it gonna go on every new motherboard, hard drive,gfx card etc...

 

now you got it?

[Bargeld]

Same topic from last August:

http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=32&

[MonteZuma]

If it comes out, it will be defeated within weeks of its release.

 

If/when they stick it in processors it might take a bit longer, but anyone who wants to will eventually be able to work around it.

 

I wouldn't invest money in it.

[Dr Brain]

Here you are explody:

 

TCPA: Good in theory, bad in practice (sorta like socialism). Can be EASILY abused to destroy open sourced software, and totally entrench M$.

 

And music piracy has increased album sales, FYI. Thats music piracy, software is a different matter.

[Dav]

Same topic from last August:

http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=32&

is it, thsts a topic relating to p2p. Although part oif TCPA will stop p2p its an entirly diffrent topic.

[Testtube]

dav not trying to be rude. But you have to work on your spelling a tad

 

Its fine not to use caps when needed or a period at the end of a sentence like i do

 

But holy -*BAD WORD*- dude it looks like it was written by a re-*BAD WORD*- on crack

 

And whats more irratating is you spell the word right in the first sentence then totally screw it up in the next sentence Please stop doing this it gives TT a brain tumor

[SVS]

Under current consumer and monopoly law that type of software is illegal. It prevents users from making LEGAL back up copies of purchesed material, this is a protection for consumers given under the law. It also further restricts the options available for computer users in both hardware and software upgrades. That is monopolistic and also, very illegal.

 

Unless current laws are ammended or replaced this technology will get a beat down from the legal system the moment a class action is raised against it.

[G.T.O The Judge]

You can't stop downloading software/mp3s/etc illegally unless all ISPs were able to retrieve information from your computer without the owner's knowledge. That would violate privacy rights.

 

And even if you get rid of Kazaa, there will always be rogue programmers developing software similar to kazaa that allow such downloading practices to occur.

 

Also, this TCPA will be cracked eventually along with the "unburnable" Windows XP discs.

[Bargeld]

You can't stop downloading software/mp3s/etc illegally unless all ISPs were able to retrieve information from your computer without the owner's knowledge. That would violate privacy rights.

What if all ISP's require you to relinquish your privacy rights in order for them to provide you service.

 

And privacy rights only apply towards what can and can't be used in a court of law and what warrants can be issued. Basically this means that the police can tap your phone if they do it "behind the scenes," without a warrant and they wont get in trouble... they just aren't allowed to use the knowledge that they gain from the survellance in court. Any subsiquent info gained based soley on that info, or gained due to the private info, is all not valid in court.

That doesn't mean that they don't do it, and then create a backtracked trail after-the-fact in order to make it legal.

[G.T.O The Judge]

You can't stop downloading software/mp3s/etc illegally unless all ISPs were able to retrieve information from your computer without the owner's knowledge. That would violate privacy rights.

What if all ISP's require you to relinquish your privacy rights in order for them to provide you service.

 

And privacy rights only apply towards what can and can't be used in a court of law and what warrants can be issued. Basically this means that the police can tap your phone if they do it "behind the scenes," without a warrant and they wont get in trouble... they just aren't allowed to use the knowledge that they gain from the survellance in court. Any subsiquent info gained based soley on that info, or gained due to the private info, is all not valid in court.

That doesn't mean that they don't do it, and then create a backtracked trail after-the-fact in order to make it legal.

well, if all ISPs required you to do that, then they would be out of business. No one would want to be subject to services that control one aspect of their private lives.

[Bargeld]

No one would want to be subject to services that control one aspect of their private lives.

Then how did TCPA get this far?

[SVS]

Because the average person doesn't give a -*BAD WORD*- about anything until it is actually affecting their lives.

[Mr Ekted]

Nothing is perfect. You know there are going to be millions of people who can't use hardware, software, media they have bought or licensed because of glitches in TCPA. It could be a huge headache for the consumer, as well as technical support, and ultimately drive costs up.

 

What people speak of as "options" above will not be options. If you want to run the Microsoft OS, you will need to enable TCPA across the board. This means non-TCPA-enabled software and hardware will not function. You will be forced to go 100% TCPA or use Linux. And with the new bill in the works, it would be illegal to use non-TCPA systems. In short, all existing computers, all existing software, all open source, and all small software companies would be history. And, if you are a country the does not adopt this law, you would be "cut off" from the US Internet and be considered a rogue state.

 

I have no problem with vendors making options for hardware and software to protect themselves. It should be a free economy. But passing laws saying that it is illegal to use open hardware/software goes against everything I believe in. They are using viruses, worms, and trojans as buzz words to push technology that will turn the consumer into a zero-privacy sheep.

 

I have tried getting the various media to do in-depth articles on this stuff, but no one seems interested.

[G.T.O The Judge]

No one would want to be subject to services that control one aspect of their private lives.

Then how did TCPA get this far?

endorsements, rants, -*BAD WORD*-ing, etc.

 

at least, that's what I think

[Dav]

because microsoft as well as many other big name compinies are behind it and its supported by the US government.

 

There are some things thay may not be allowd to do in the future with this but we will just have to see.

 

it also seems that aboycot will get nowhere as all hardware apperrs as though it will carry the chips. this will stop linux being used and give microsoft more power.

[Dav]

dav not trying to be rude. But you have to work on your spelling a tad

 

Its fine not to use caps when needed or a period at the end of a sentence like i do

 

But holy -*BAD WORD*- dude it looks like it was written by a re-*BAD WORD*- on crack

 

And whats more irratating is you spell the word right in the first sentence then totally screw it up in the next sentence Please stop doing this it gives TT a brain tumor

not rude...

 

anyway i do make alot of typing errors. I guss I should proof read before i press the add reply button.

[Bargeld]

Or you can use the "preview post" feature to proofread it.

[Dav]

Or you can use the "preview post" feature to proofread it.

thats most likely to be the best idea.

[Mr Ekted]

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1545953,00.asp