And so twilight is upon us and we're drawing to a close.

[Gravitron]

I ran the client today to check general pings. Barely 400 people online.

I guess it is finally approaching that point.

I doubt any of those who once vouched for "Sites of the Final Call" have stuck around or remember their promise. I barely even recall any of their handles anymore.

So for them, in spirit represented, I now stand.

 

It has been a marvelous journey. It has lasted well over a decade. A couple, even...almost.

Even though I have been gone for the majority of it past 2005, I never forgot the cradle.

I've been playing SubSpace for many years. I remember those years, foggily and, fondly...mostly.

I have met many interesting people from all around the globe...and then killed them. Or got killed by them.

I have played many different zones, many different game types.

I have learned many things.

 

Now it is old and dying.

And in several dozen years so shall I.

It has been a good life.

 

 

A final toast, to a great adventure; and a final thanks to those many who made it possible.

To forgotten people. To fallen bretheren. To lost friends.

Farewell.
See you on the flip-side!

- G-Man/Gravitron/whatever

[Lone Outlaw]

i'll leave when only beer hunter is left.

[»Platinum-Halo]

It still has life and will continue on as best it can.

[Wallace]

Well, its been close to 2 decades. Started playing speed zone on VIE in 96.  Don't really play much else but one by one the zones are dying. Sad to see it go, its still probably one of the best games out there for instant fun/short attention...gonna miss it.

 

Wallace.

[larrythehamster]

This makes me sad

[Dav]

the game is not dead yet.

 

People have been saying that the end is near for years. I wouldn't be surprised if this game, albeit smaller then it is now, celebrates 20 years...

[Lone Outlaw]

This game has more people than the older Call of Duty games, which have better graphics, and are the latest generation in gaming. It probably has more multiplayer players than Mass Effect 3 multiplayer has..

[»Xog]

people just have more stuff to do these days

[Samapico]

400 is still way more than we can fit in one arena anyway...

[quash]

Started in Speed east, played a little hockey (Blades) and then stuck to PowerBall (Discord, Team One and Brotherhood).  Had a kid, he played when he got old enough.

 

Sposh, tritone, Strell, Ganjasaur, Ganjastyx, Pourya, Torello, Maple, Audi, wanderluster, Dire Wolf, Mnemmeth and Jess's butt.  good times.

[aquarius]

We'll always be here, at least on forums, to arrange get-togethers in-game sometimes. Hopefully, though, a new client (*cough* cheese, bak-, anyone) brings Life back into the game and we can experience the 'good old days' all over again. Wouldn't that be grand? Thousands of players in each zone? Ahhh the prospect.  

[Ahmed Klein]

See you in five years for a cut and paste of this exact same post, OP.

[Lone Outlaw]

There will be a new client, Pheonix USC by Richard.

[Cheese]

There will be a new client, Pheonix USC by Richard.

good thing thats an entirely different game

[Bankaikiller]

It's been a pretty good game. I started when I was 15, and now i'm 23.  It's the longest game I have played.

[Lone Outlaw]

It's not an entirely different game. Has the exact same feel as subspace. Just because it has different graphics? The zones can load their own graphics and its continuum Plus. You can have your warbird, jav etc. Enitrely different is Cosmic Rift. Just for that i will replicate HS in Phoenix client. All the same tiles, ships, and settings. It will be funny to see how different it is then. OH you mean improved. Yes. Because clients shouldn't just be more of the same old shit. The whole point to making a client is to get rid of the lame ass limitations of continuum that have been holding the community back for the past 8 years. If you want to be a fossile you can be though, just like your own client and pretty much the rest of them. Not much progress lately huh?

Edited April 5, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[Dr Brain]

It has a different name, a different client, a different server, a different user database, a different programmer, a different protocol, a different website ... and it's the same game? Nope, try again.

 

Make no mistake, saying it's a different game isn't a criticism. After all, every other video game is a different game (by definition), and some of them are quite good.

[Lone Outlaw]

Not sure to what extent any of that matters. Would be too much to analyze. But to do it fast and sum it up. Programmer doesn't matter. (Continuum's programmer has been none existent and we get by, as well more than 1 prgrammer is responsible for Continuum). Website doesn't matter. (We changed websites and forums here every other year). Database and Server hardly would make continuum any less continuum if they were changed. Different Client (i consider this upgrading continuum, especially if it's creation is based upon the original and intends to take and grow from the original). Basically the idea is the same (if not more improved) so it's not a different game. As for name, oh Jeez, well that's a damn easy one "A rose by any other name is still a rose". Protocol might be the only case for it being a New Game. But even then procotocol would just be different and get the same results as continuums protocol. Yes i understand it's not criticism per se. But by saying it's a whole different thing, Cheese is creating an US vs Them scenario. So not worth moving to Pheonix because "It's nothing like Continuum." Which is just not true. If you can do everything you can do in Continuum, AND even more (those things we always wanted to do but couldnt). Then i don't see the problem with it.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[Dr Brain]

And why should we believe you over the guy *writing* the new game?

 

By your logic, continuum is the same game as asteroids.

[Cheese]

lol dumb guy is dumb

[Lone Outlaw]

Dr. Brain

By your logic, continuum is the same game as asteroids.

 

Who said Same game? Those are your words. I said Phoenix isn't an entirely new game. Arguing Phoenix is the same as Continuum doesn't even make sense. That's like saying a lemon is an orange. You realize how dumb you guys are for assuming things again? You should take what i write literally. When i say it's not entirely different, that's not the same as saying it's the same game. To be the same, they would need the same name, same server, same protocol, same graphics, same abilities. I've been arguing the whole time that Phoenix is improved. It's not the same. IT'S JUST NOT A NEW GAME like cheese declared it was, in the sense of what it is. In the sense of creation, yes obviously it's new, it started in 2011. In a Superficial sense, sure it's new, on the surface it has a new name, new graphics etc. But the idea is not new, its just an improved continuum, and you can supliment continuums graphics into it. So do i really need to state the obvious again? or can we get past stupid shit to make fun of other people because of your insecurities irl.

 

So to answer your question. By my logic, Continuum might be a more improved astroids. However in astroids your ship shoots rocks and it's single player. In Continuum you fight ships, and the physics of rocks are removed. Hence Continuum takes something away from astroids because the breaking of rocks, and environmental damage is not present. Likewise the creators of Continuum weren't trying to improve Astroids, they weren't even inspired by astroids. So it's a new game.

 

Phoenix Client, takes nothing away from Continuum, IT KEEPS, and ADDS, specifically it doesn't add Dragon Ball Z super saiyan powers. It adds features the community of Continuum already wanted and felt should have been included from the start. Since these non-existent features were universally wanted by the community, that means the community expanded upon the idea of what continuum should be. So some people decided to achieve the ideal of Continuum, thus there are 4 different clients in creation. Richard is doing what everyone else is by realizing continuums full potential, all be it, in the form of Phoenix USC. He made a new name, and needs a new server to do it, but that is of little consequence. Some of these features include getting rid of the limitations in map design and event design in Continuum. Or proper buy menus for your own zone Hyperspace, with graphic displays for each item.

 

The guy writing the "New" Game, (nice distancing language you used) aka Richard, is establishing it as a new game for various reasons. Legal reasons (even though there really isn't much of a risk), as well as profit. He wants the game to be flexible, changeable, adaptable to different platforms, so he can profit. Make no mistake, i am not arguing the game is Continuum, i am just argueing it's not a totally new game. It's an upgrade to Continuum like any other client would be. Or a sequel to word it better. Cheese can name his client "Cheese" tomorrow, that doesn't automatically make it NOT an upgrade to Continuum. If any of the new subspace clients, have a new server or database, it doesn't automatically make them new games.

Edited April 9, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[aquarius]

If profit is a motivation it's certainly not going to carry over SS's sentiment.

[Dr Brain]

If any of the new subspace clients, have a new server or database, it doesn't automatically make them new games.

 

Actually, that's pretty much the definition. If you can't play with other people using the "same game" then it's not the same game.

 

There are no shades of "different game". Either it's the same game or it's not. In this case, it's not. Phoenix's success won't alter SubSpace's fate.

[Lone Outlaw]

Well Brain, then we just disagree. But at least we understand each other. If you want to call the other clients the same game. Distortion, Cheese's Client, Java Space, etc. Then you would be a hypocrite though. The whole reason this started is because Cheese wants to seperate Phoenix from the other projects and set it apart. So i took a position saying Phoenix is not a new game. That doesn't mean i think they are the same game. So yeah i agree, Phoenix is not the same as continuum, on a superficial level, purely based on characteristics. Just like you would not be the same like your dad. But you are not entirely new. Some genes are carried over, you might look alike, you might develop the same personalities, you might be an improved version, with a different name, and your own server.

 

Profit isn't the motivation, it's just one of the many things to pursue in the process of making a game. Already stated the motivation was to better Continuum. But Richard isn't me, so i think his motivation is even more sentimental than that. He loves the genre and space games, and programming. Perhaps partly he wants to see if he can do it. And in a way he wants to honor Continuum the game he played for so many years and carry on the Legacy.

 

If you guys want to stay on Subspace/Continuum when Phoenix is done. And not even give Phoenix a try, then by all means, stay here. But i don't even open Continuum anymore. With it's 300 people, dead or dying zones, most of which deserve to die.

Edited April 10, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[Dr Brain]

You shouldn't take what i write literally.

 

Well Brain, I totally agree, if you want to call the other clients the same game. I am a hypocrite though. The whole reason this started is because Cheese hates me. So i took an unreasonable position saying Phoenix is not a new game. That doesn't mean i think they are different. So yeah i agree, Phoenix is not the same game as continuum, purely based on characteristics. Just like you would not be the same as your awesome dad. But you are not entirely new. My jeans are too tight.

 

Profit isn't my only motivation, it's just one of the many things I to pursue in the process of being a troll. Already stated that my motivation was to kill Continuum.

 

I'll now leap to a conclusion by making a huge assumption, since I'm a hypocrite, and believe you guys want to stay on Subspace/Continuum when Phoenix is done. And not even give Phoenix a try. But i don't even like Continuum anymore. It's 300 people deserve to die.