Let's assume I know what I'm talking about

[Dr Brain]

Unless silverchat doesn't allow users to create new player names.

This is not a question. Therefore you cannot claim to have "asked" it.

 

We do know what you're talking about. That's how we know you're wrong.

[Lone Outlaw]

i never assumed silver chat allows users to create names. And i never assumed that it doesn't allow users to create names. i was open to both possibilities. If i assumed it doesn't let users create names, that's still an assumption because i never used silverchat. EVEN if it's correct.

 

The word 'unless' is again working with if and than statements. Unless it is this way, then you can't bypass netbans. It's not making any claims for or against.

 

An assumption is a claim without facts. i don't make make claims anywhere because i don't have facts anywhere. (ie i am not a programmer).. i openly admit i don't know much on these topics. i can't be assuming anything, when i am always open to the opposite being true. This means i speculate, which means i have no facts, but i consider every side. Assumptions don't consider both sides, they only take one side without facts and believe in it. 

 

Assumptions are bad when you make a claim, and have no facts, but believe that claim. Ie,

if i say, SILVER chat lets us create new user names. Thats a claim now, and an assumption, because it's based on zero facts since i never used Silverchat.

if i say, SILVER chat doesn't let us make new user names, after having used silverchat, then that's pretty much a claim, and a fact.

If i say, Unless silver chat doesn't allow us to make new names, then it would be hard to bypass a netban. It means i don't know, because i used the world unless.. It also means i am just saying it's hard to bypass a netban when we can't create new user names. It really makes no claims for creating names, or not creating names, on silver chat. It's practically an IF and than statement. Pure speculating, which is good, because that's how you come closer to the truth. Assumption is when you think you've found the truth. (Can i make this any more clear?)

 

You guys on the other hand, are often guilty of pure assumption, especially when it concerns me. You have no facts, ask no questions, but make a claim, Lone Outlaw thinks Chatnet is a java program. You believe that claim, but it's based on zero facts. If you instead said, Lone outlaw might think chatnet is a java program, but its possible he doesn't, then you would be speculating. There is no claim there. It's just having no facts, and considering both possibilities.

 

i've never used silverchat and i clearly said i never used silverchat. So why would i assume anything about it? You are attempting to tell me how i think, you are not me, can't read minds. Good luck with that.

 

i didn't even assume i can bypass a netban on silverchat, i simply said make sure no one can. If it's already 100% secure, then that's good. If it's not, make sure it is. Pretty simple, no assumptions.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[Lone Outlaw]

The major problem here, is you are all assuming, that i am assuming.

[spidernl]

The true problem is that you have no clue what the word 'assumption' means.

 

You seemed awfully convinced that if we let you use Silverchat, you would be able to bypass a netban through it. The way you said it indicated you really believed that. If you really believed it, that requires you to have made a number of assumptions.

 

The other scenario:

 

If you were just randomly spouting nonsense you didn't believe in yourself, then that makes you an even more useless individual.

 

Your choice.

[Lone Outlaw]

Nope, what i initially wrote, in my very first post, signified the following.

 

i didn't even assume i can bypass a netban on silverchat, i simply said make sure no one can. If it's already 100% secure, then that's good. If it's not, make sure it is. Pretty simple, no assumptions.

 

Afterward i just assumed i could bypass the netban to try and get you to say why i couldn't. Otherwise known as fishing for information. But that would have to be my only assumption. And i am being literally brutally honest here, i don't know much about networking, chatnet, etc, But despite that there is nothing new in this thread that i learned and nothing i didn't already know. Except, that silverchat uses chatnet protocol, but you made that clear on the first page, and then i knew that. Otherwise, everything else you assume i didn't know, i did know. You guys are just being opportunists, trying to corner me by saying i assume to much and don't know anything, in a thread where i already stated i don't know much about the topic. As for what i don't know, i am not even sure how i bypassed the netban on Starlight, i just did the routine things, change ip and a bunch of other stuff and it worked. i never claimed to know what i was doing anywhere or to know how anything works.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[Lone Outlaw]

You know where i got "Assumption is the mother of all F- ups"

 

Its from a steven seagal movie, and they thought seagal died, fell off the train. The boss asks his hentchmen, is he dead? And they reply yes. And the boss asks, did you see his body? And the hentchmen say no. And the boss goes, "Assumption is the mother of all F- ups" GO BACK and make sure he is dead.

 

Now if i was the henchmen, and instead when the boss asked me is he dead, and i replied, He fell off the train chances are he didn't survive. That's not an assumption. That's open to the fact that there is a chance he did survive. i stated he fell off the train which is a fact, but that i didn't see his body is clear, because i don't know if he is dead.

[spidernl]

Either way i'm sure the netban can be bypassed via chatnet, compared to the client. Someone ban me and we'll find out.

Then i'll come back laughing, like last time.

You must have assumed a lot of things to be so sure about that, no?

Edited January 15, 2013 by spidernl

[Lone Outlaw]

Not really because i don't know what i am doing. It's all trial and error, and luck sometimes.

 

The only thing i "assumed" is that i'd find a way to bypass a ban through a chat program, regardless of the protocol it uses. Basically i "assumed" i was capable of doing anything given enough time, and dedication. In other words it's not an assumption at all but a fact. Anyone competent in learning, can eventually accomplish their goals given time, and dedication. Maybe if i was netbanned for 1 year, i would come back smarter than before.

 

i still can't bypass a netban through continuum. The ban sticks there. There likely was a big difference between starlight, and continuum. Otherwise why would the netban stick on continuum and not on starlight? Also i never bothered to figure out why, because i already bypassed the ban through starlight, plus i had a ban free from tm_master. So there was no motivation to get the continuum client past the netban.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[Dr Brain]

The major problem here, is you are all assuming, that i am assuming.

You're the one that has problems with assumptions. Assumptions are a part of life, and I have no problem with them. I'll correct an incorrect assumption if I see it so that knowledge is increased.

 

I'm not holding you to my standard, I'm holding you to yours. Hypocrisy is the real issue (though to be fair I've been guilty of it more than once).

 

 

 

If i say, Unless silver chat doesn't allow us to make new names, then it would be hard to bypass a netban. It means i don't know, because i used the world unless.. It also means i am just saying it's hard to bypass a netban when we can't create new user names. It really makes no claims for creating names, or not creating names, on silver chat. It's practically an IF and than statement. Pure speculating, which is good, because that's how you come closer to the truth. Assumption is when you think you've found the truth. (Can i make this any more clear?)

Nope. The way this is worded it is two assumptions. Saying something is an assumption doesn't make it any less of an assumption. You could word it to be more conditional and be only one, but it's never zero (and you didn't word it that way anyhow). If you can't say what you mean, that's not our problem.

 

And finally, if you take offense when we call you on what you wrote (rather than what you meant to write), you may want to stop posting on online forums until you can get a better handle on writing what you mean (i.e. never).

[Lone Outlaw]

No it's just that you don't read what i write literally, you are adding meaning where there is none. And there is no hypocrisy here on my part.

 

Making fun of me for typing bot instead of module as an example was fine by me, i used the wrong word, even though i new the difference, i pretty much didn't care for the distinction between them as my meaning should have been clear no matter what word i used.

 

Similar i don't add details, or explain every little thing, if people did that, we would write like lawyers in 1000's of pages. Even i am not capable of that. It doesn't mean you should assume what i meant, or what i am saying, you could simply ask a very specific question to figure out if i am assuming or if i'm not. But i notice no one is asking me specific questions, because you know i would answer with i don't know. As i am not scared of saying i don't know things. etc. Asking questions solves all the issues, my question to you guys, is instead of dragging this out into a 20 page thread, why didn't you ask a question or two? You didn't really want to get to the bottom of anything, as so much to try and trap me. You were assuming everything, and that's why you never asked any questions, instead only made accusations.

 

That sort of proves all my points.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[spidernl]

Given how much a good one makes, I bet lawyers are paid by the page.