Let's assume I know what I'm talking about

[Lone Outlaw]

SPLIT FROM http://www.subspace.co/topic/26809-silverchat-ss-continuum-chat-client/

 

What's the assumption? Bypassing a netban through chat clients is possible, i bypassed Polix's netban using Starlight. Sharvil Nanavati, Lynx, or whoever had access to Starlight would ban me, but the ban was easy to bypass on the chat client compared to the game. This might be part of the reason starlight doesn't work anymore, perhaps the other reason is because the guy running the server moved on and shut down. According to what Silver told me, his chat app is not connected to zones like EG or TW etc, not on the biller. Unless he told me wrong or i misunderstood. And i am not currently netbanned, at least not yet.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Dr Brain

[Cheese]

it would just be better if you stopped making posts entirely instead of showing everyone you have no idea what you are talking about, ever

[Lone Outlaw]

Obviously there is nothing to bypass if the chat app isn't on biller. But keep the vague statements, lack of explanations, and assumptions coming.

[spidernl]

Falconeer, it not working in TW and other Subgame-based zones has nothing to do with the biller. You're assuming things again.

 

I'm not even going to explain why, because maybe then you will consider looking for the explanation yourself - for a change - and maybe you'll even do so before posting in the future.

[Guest petalbreeze]

in order for it to work in a subgame based zone it would have to mimick a client because subgame doesn't have chatnet...... so you would need to break the encryption (people have done it before).

 

Problem is, if the SSC doesn't really want you to have your chat client on their servers.... they could always release an update and you'd have to break encryption all over again.... enjoy!!!

 

Edit: Who's falconeer?

Edited January 12, 2013 by petalbreeze

[Lone Outlaw]

I never said it not working in TW OR EG has to do with the biller. That's pretty obvious. Subchat2, and Starlight don't even connect to EG or TW.

 

And i said i never tried Silver chat. I was just re-interating what Silver Bullet told me in Game. That the client doesn't connect to biller and doesn't work in TW and EG. That doesn't mean Biller has anything to do with connecting to Trenchwars or EG. Though it might, i just don't know. That's why i never claimed anything either way.

 

IF you have a problem with that statement, you need to address Silver for writing it to me.

 

Again you are an assuming fool who can't read properly.

Edited January 12, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[spidernl]

Since you're incapable of figuring this out yourself:

 

http://wiki.minegoboom.com/index.php/ChatNet_Protocol

Edited January 12, 2013 by spidernl

[Lone Outlaw]

Sorry did you want to prove you know more computer stuff than i do?

 

That's obvious because it's not my job to know networking, programming, or anything computer related. If it was my job, i would be better at it than you though. Similar to a teacher who teaches University, most of them are horrible, AND it's their job to know the material. If i was a teacher, i would know everything about the course i teach and all related fields. Instead the answers to most questions are, "i don't know,. thats a good question." Well thank you professor, why do i even need you if i have the book and google?

 

You are just making a fool of yourself. No where did i state that i know how chat protocol works, or that was i interested in finding out.

 

Likewise i did state that i never tried Silver Chat yet, and i made it clear several times what i said about connecting to EG, and TW, is what Silver told me. As well that he doesn't have access to the biller, IS what silver told me. No where did i type that biller and connecting to TW or EG have anything to do with each other. You can connect without biller, happens all the time in zones, biller is down, and i can enter as Spidernl.

[spidernl]

Minimum Requirements:

• For now, client can only log in to asss servers.

 

 

 

 

 

Consider reading the OP of the thread you're posting in before you post.

 

Also, you're only making yourself look like more of a fool trying to talk your way out of this. You posted without any prior knowledge of the subject. In fact, you just assumed a whole lot of things instead. Chatnet clients can use biller commands just fine, show up in ?chat like any normal biller-connected client, etc.

 

Conclusion: If you want to not look like a moron, read up on whatever you're posting about first if you don't know anything about it. Unfortunately for you, this means that you'll have to read up on a lot of things.

Edited January 12, 2013 by spidernl

[Cheese]

yo avast do u want some ointment for that BURN

[Lone Outlaw]

I didn't assume anything, i wrote what silver told me in game. Playing ignorance card just makes you seem desperate. Writing what someone else told me doesn't mean i came here boasting i know how anything works. Lets go over what i wrote.

 

1. You can bypass a netban through chat clients. (like starlight, subchat2)

(Considering i actually did this, no clue how i assumed anything)

 

2. Silver Chat App doesn't have access to Trench/EG or their Biller.

(clearly said this is what silver told me in game, maybe he wasn't specific or too general, take it up with him not me.)

 

3. Clearly said i never tried Silver Chat yet.

 

 

As for your comment

"For now, client can only log in to asss servers."

 

Yes that follows with what Silver told me in game, His client can't connect to EG or Trench, they are not ASSS, but subgame last i checked.

 

As for anything else, miscommunication, or using the wrong terms, like in the case where i wrote bot instead of module, is not assumption. Try harder.

Edited January 13, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[Cheese]

yo avast do u want some ointment for that BURN

[Lone Outlaw]

i don't put ointments on burns, i just apply cold water for a few hours.

 

Also the degree of a burn depends on how important something was to a person. This thread and the 10 posts will definitely scar me for life. Especially after all those 20 years i've been on forums, trolling, being trolled, getting made fun of, and being banned. All of the above often by countless people sometimes even getting ganked by whole communities, and debating with the some of the best people, dare i say with people who might even be more educated than you guys.

 

Also remember, while i have a lot to learn in programming, and definitely networking wise, and sound wise, i do know a fair bit about hardware and electronics (though i suppose it's as easy to learn as programming). i have learned Html, Css, PHP, and Java, and was fairly good at all of them when i remained practiced. But there is no need for me to practice, i have no forums to maintain, or websites to make. And i am not sure i want to spend more than 2 hours in front a computer anymore. Not having knowledge on these issues doesn't mean i lose any rights to post. If anything you guys need a fresh perspective. And not having knowledge on these topics doesn't make one more or less intelligent or well learned or smarter than another. My mind is filled with other things, philosophy, history, psychology, sociology, astronomy, physcis, etc.

 

Now of course i could never be a good troll if my level of care was low. i care about everything, it's how i remain so persistent.

 

The whole point of my post = make it so we can't bypass netbans using the chat app. Like i bypassed a netban using starlight. You can't come in here and say i didn't. Because i did, and polix can verify, he knows. So, all this netbans work through the chat client is BS, obviously not as effectively as they work through the game. Because my game ban stuck.

Edited January 13, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[Cheese]

tl;dr

[spidernl]

Chatnet works entirely differently. Again, you know so little of the subject you're not even aware that by comparing Starlight to Chatnet you're comparing apples to oranges. Edited January 14, 2013 by spidernl

[Lone Outlaw]

Yeah one is actually a program, the other is a Jar file, which is java based. Either way i'm sure the netban can be bypassed via chatnet, compared to the client. Someone ban me and we'll find out. Then i'll come back laughing, like last time.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[»D1st0rt]

Yeah one is actually a program, the other is a Jar file, which is java based. Either way i'm sure the netban can be bypassed via chatnet, compared to the client. Someone ban me and we'll find out. Then i'll come back laughing, like last time.

 

just... wow...

[spidernl]

Yeah one is actually a program, the other is a Jar file, which is java based. Either way i'm sure the netban can be bypassed via chatnet, compared to the client. Someone ban me and we'll find out. Then i'll come back laughing, like last time.

That might be the biggest amount of stupid I have ever seen in a post that short.

Edited January 14, 2013 by spidernl

[Lone Outlaw]

Chatnet works entirely differently. Again, you know so little of the subject you're not even aware that by comparing Silverlight to Chatnet you're comparing apples to oranges.

 If you want a whole lot of stupid look here. Silverlight doesn't exist first of all. The only thing i barely compared was Starlight to Silverchat, by stating that i bypassed a netban on one, and can likely do the same on the other. And there are obvious differences, one is a Jar file, the other was an EXE.

 

 

Chatnet clients can use biller commands just fine, show up in ?chat like any normal biller-connected client, etc.

 

According to Spidernl the Jar file one, (which is likely obviously executable) is involved somehow with chatnet. How it's involved, i don't really care. It's not something i stated, rather chatnet is something spidernl keeps bringing up.

 

Chatnet is based on a whole other program designed by someone else. Do i need to write every obvious detail? Again you guys are assuming too much.

 

Keep this up, i can go on for the rest of the year, or you can take your heads out of your asses sometime and smell the fresh air.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[spidernl]

Silverchat uses chatnet protocol to communicate with ASSS servers. The entire connection part - which is where you'd be bypassing a netban - is chatnet. Therefore, chatnet is very much relevant to this discussion.

 

Chatnet protocol also has absolutely nothing to do with java. You can write a client in any language, really. As long as said language has sockets.

 

Edit: Congratulations. I accidentally typed "Silverlight" instead of "Starlight". That clearly makes the rest of my post irrelevant.

Edited January 14, 2013 by spidernl

[Lone Outlaw]

Lol yeah, its called using the wrong word.. and then being accused of assumption. Likewise, just because my technobabel is not good doesn't mean i don't know what i am talking about.

 

I knew all of that, i never said chatnet uses java, i said silverchat is a jar file, based on java. Like really where do you get all these statements from. Can you quote me at least. And i understood silverchat uses chatnet protocol the very second you mentioned it on page 1, especially when you provided the link. No where did i state otherwise. As well i knew silverchat only connects to ASSS servers.. it says so right in silver's post.

 

My issue is, how does a netban stick through chatnet compared to starlight? and compared to the actual continuum client itself? The continuum client seems to have the better ban than starlight ever did. How was it that i bypassed a netban on starlight, yet the continuum client ban stayed? How is it i can't do the same on Silverchat JUST because it uses chatnet protocol?

 

Unless silverchat doesn't allow users to create new player names. Don't all clients, chat or otherwise, send data to the server, and the server responds by accepting your login or declining it. So you would need a new name, and new IP for starters.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Lone Outlaw

[Dr Brain]

You're assuming again. I think you don't know what that word means.

[Dr Brain]

Now that everything is split off... we can continue without fear of cluttering a valuable topic.

 

The chat client doesn't connect to the biller. Continuum doesn't connect to the biller either. No client does. That's an incorrect assumption on your part.

 

Continuum doesn't have a banning system. You're incorrectly assuming the banning system is specific to continuum. It's not. It's specific to the biller and to a lesser extent the servers (only for local bans). Even banfrees happen on the biller.

 

You're assuming (notice a trend here?) that silverchat allows players to create names. It doesn't. No Chatnet client may register new names (it can't provide enough registration information to the biller, so no provision is made for registering new names in the protocol).

 

You're assuming tons of things based on the fact that starlight let you "bypass" a ban. If you want to ask technical details that's fine. But don't go assuming crazy crazy things.

 

P.S. look up the definition of assumption.

[Cheese]

yo avast do u want some ointment for that BURN

[Lone Outlaw]

You're assuming (notice a trend here?) that silverchat allows players to create names. It doesn't. No Chatnet client may register new names (it can't provide enough registration information to the biller, so no provision is made for registering new names in the protocol).

 

I never assumed silverchat allows players to create names. I asked if it does. And i stated that i never used silverchat, so i can't know anything about it's features.

Starlight allowed you to create new names however, though it wasn't a chatnet client.

 

 

The chat client doesn't connect to the biller. Continuum doesn't connect to the biller either. No client does. That's an incorrect assumption on your part.

That's not an assumption, that's just bad communication, instead of using connect, i should have used another word. Also quote me and stop telling me what i assumed. ty.

 

 

It's specific to the biller and to a lesser extent the servers (only for local bans). Even banfrees happen on the biller.

This is obvious, there is no assumption, just bad communication on my part, because i am not a programmer/networker etc. The client has nothing to do with anything.. everything in continuum is with the server/biller. When i used the word continuum client, i was just using a general word to refer to continuum, and wherever the netban is. I don't need to be specific, especially with you guys, since you should know what i am talking about.

 

Also i'm glad the topic was finally split, after you guys derailed it beause of your personal vendettas.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Lone Outlaw