Lone Outlaw Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) I like how you can judge whether a ban is excessive if you don't know what he did in the first place. It's called Precedent look it up in a law book sometime. The precedent for bans on Continuum, is that they are 95% for nothing. Especially when the poor idiot involved doesn't know how to unban. They likely don't know how to cheat either. Or why else cheat ? So they could get banned forever ? He doesn't seem emo, he wants to play the game, so it's likely he wouldn't do something severe to jepeordize that need. i know if i was going to cheat i would make sure i could unban first. It's also called Benefit fo the doubt. Learn it someday, maybe with a renewed trust in humanity you will treat everyone a little less like criminals. It's also called speaking in general terms. Using words like 'probably' 'whatever' 'maybe only' Means i made no definitive strong argument that he did nothing wrong. It also means i declared a lack of facts by using those words. It means i take it upon faith, and experience, that the ban was pointless, and should have been a zone ban. Netban for cross zone spamming is dumb and as archaic as the client itself. Any ban for anything other than cheating is stupid. That doesn't mean he didn't cheat, but i doubt there is evidence, it's just someones ego trip against someone they don't like, as usual. I've seen hoch ban people and claim their was evidence they hacked or cheated and Hoch proved to be a liar, because in those specifc cases it was revealed no such evidence existed, took 3 years though. As if i was born yesterday, continuum is as corrupt as a baby's worn diapers. Edited December 6, 2012 by Lone Outlaw
spittnacid Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) holy batman lone, i know youre not sticking up for me but you make a good arguement. and cheese.... what basis are uyou going off of that im dumb? not liking me? if so thats pretty childish. have you ever stopped to think that i deliberately act dumb to annoy ppl that for no cause decide im stupid? i say if you cant beat em join em. i got nothing to prove to you so id rather get my kicks annoying you as you will never respect me.. so since icant play subspace, anyone wants to play something lemme know. currently i just play lol and bo2 but always up to play other games. Edited December 6, 2012 by spittnacid
spidernl Posted December 7, 2012 Report Posted December 7, 2012 A netban for cross-zone spamming seems like one of the best reasons for a netban one could come up with, as a local ban would do absolutely nothing (as by definition the offender would be doing the spamming from a different zone).
Lone Outlaw Posted December 7, 2012 Report Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Right now it is, because the rule is as old as the client. On a new client hopefully there will be net-gags, instead of netbans, or something else to get rid of it. Because you are essentially getting rid of someone, (banning them) for talking. Not spamming. Talking. 50% of the cross-zone spam netban cases, the person was disputing their zone ban. The person recieving the PMS deems it spam, yet doesn't give the player a chance for recourse. Because ban disputes are banned on forums (at least in dsb). And no e-mail is given. If you e-mail the OP who banned you, they ban you longer for harassment. (just from 1 e-mail). As well when an e-mail is given, it's usually the e-mail of the person who banned you. Not an objective third party. So shove your system up your ass. So technically, they ban you from a zone (throw you on the floor), then when you PM to ask why, they call it cross zone spam, and netban you (kick you while your down)Aren't you guys smart, probably why you invented the rule in the first place. To be Sadists. And in this case, if he was netbanned first, there was no cross zone spamming. Also PM'ing someone from another zone is not a reason to netban. The person 1. has to be banned from that zone. 2. Has to have evaded an ?ignore. 3. Or not stopped when told to stop.(according to the actual netban rules that are in place, written down right now, of course option 3 is something i added, only 1 and 2 officially count - see how generous i am?) If those three criteria are not in place, its clear and direct abuse by the netOp.And leaving ?messages polix: is not cross zone spamming. It's one message per a day. Edited December 7, 2012 by Lone Outlaw
Lone Outlaw Posted December 7, 2012 Report Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Further i find it funny people throughout continuum will have general threads about politics, iran, china, tyrannies all over the world. In these threads people will post their views why these country's are bad, to bomb them etc. If we don't take a side then most of us at least feel happy we live in North America, or Europe where we enjoy such freedoms the first amendment and bill of rights gives, or your own countries constitutions. However, then these same people who complain about Iran and how uncivlized, uneducated, stupid they are; go online and run their own dictatorships. Bunch of hypocryts. Stop posting your political views at least, because you don't live what you enjoy or preach. And it's fucking unrealistic to think you can beat out of people the idea of freedom of speech or due process, or a chance for recourse to address grievances done by the government. How can you expect us who lived 20 years in a free country, to just shut up and listen to some authority imposed by some guy who wants to ban or silence us if we don't agree. Maybe if i was born in Iran and i was playing continuum, i would accept your mini dictatorship. These things were considered fundamental human rights by Thomas Paine, John Locke, and Thomas Jefferson. We already went through a French revolution and American revolution. America isn't perfect, and it's based on slavery, but at least today, 2012, most of you enjoy these rights, that others had to bleed and die for. People bleed and die for these rights today, just so they can vote in their country. And here you are, on the internet, running your fantasy Tyranny, half of you probably don't even vote, living in the lap of luxury. Keep shitting on your ideals. "OH NO BUTS ITS THE INTERNT" nope it's part of who you are. i would say what you do online defines who you are in person and in life more than the other way around. As if you had a life to define you, you wouldn't be here. Of course Tyranny is never opposed from above - it's sought from below. So i would only blame the players for supporting anyone who abuses powers online or runs their zone like a dictatorship. He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - Thomas Paine Edited December 7, 2012 by Lone Outlaw
spidernl Posted December 7, 2012 Report Posted December 7, 2012 Why waste development time on 'more suitable' measures such as a net-wide silence when a netban does the job just as well? Don't want a ban, don't break the rules. It's that simple.
Lone Outlaw Posted December 7, 2012 Report Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) The point im making is that people who are 'known' somewhere in the community generally don't break rules but they get netbanned regardless. Hence Tyranny. If you are actually following the rules yourselves then it wouldn't be facism. It would be more like a Monarchy, or something. King and people. Even a representative republic. As most zone owners listen to their players. Sure we have those no name cheaters who enter the game once every few months, no one heard of them, because they are banned before they are known. They make a name, cheat, banned. i play HZ and Devastation. If netban does just as well, it seems we need to break your netban, so you will be forced to get off your ass and code something. There is always someone on the internet more 'powerful' than you are. One day you will ban them, and boom your server will be offline every weekend from some guy who can run circles around your security. Conflict always spurrned progress. Beccaria, Cesare 1738 - 1794 The Italian author of On Crimes and Punishments, published in 1764 Punishment should fit the crime. Not someone steals a loaf of bread, and you lob off both their hands. We did away with stupid shit like that because of Beccaria. Which by the way influenced LAW from there after. Why should typing across a zone be netbannable? The appropriate punishment for spamming is gagging. Otherwise if you are excess in punishment, people will be excess in retaliation. If they feel they deserved it, and you didn't abuse powers, then no one would care. People don't break rules, and then complain when they are punished. Only a stupid moron would do that, the complaints come from when they think they didn't break a rule, they didn't break a rule, or the punishment for whatever rule they broke was too excessive. Eliminate all three, and you have punishments that fit the crime, and criminals who know they deserved it so they don't fight back. It's pretty simple logic. The funniest part of this is that a troll is teaching morals and ethics. Not only that but you end up being respected by your enemies and friends alike. Kings who were harsh didn't stay in power long. Edited December 7, 2012 by Lone Outlaw
spidernl Posted December 8, 2012 Report Posted December 8, 2012 Or just don't spam/harass cross-zone and you don't get banned.
Lone Outlaw Posted December 8, 2012 Report Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) As long as it at least meets those three critera, 1. banned from the zone in which the person you are pming resides in 2. asked to stop and didn't 3. switched names to evade ignore Once i was net banned despite none of the critera being met.Another time i got netbanned, however i was banned from a zone, but didn't evade and wasn't asked to not PM. (as i was discussing why i was banned in the first place)Since idiot's who ban don't even tell you. And they list no reasons in the ban log, so even the other sysop couldn't tell me. (IE no reason 'usually' means they had nothing legit to ban you for) The funny thing is most people know if they ask me not to PM them, i will stop Pm'ing them, because i know the rules very well and i follow them. So they never ask because they want to netban me. Edited December 8, 2012 by Lone Outlaw
spidernl Posted December 9, 2012 Report Posted December 9, 2012 In short: you deliberately piss people off (better known as trolling) but take care to do it strictly within the rules, but then when you successfully piss someone off enough to get you banned, you scream "abuse!"? Sounds legit. Also: this topic has sidetracked enough. Closing. Falconeer, better write a wall of text somewhere that I closed this to HIDE THE TRUTH.
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