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I love how the network ban policy is not displayed when entering zones, but is displayed in the dispute center

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Lone Outlaw Newbie

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they never really followed that policy, Polix and others would make up stories, saying you can get netbanned for pm'ing people from another zone. Like Spidernl, i was pm'ing him once, and he said i will get netbanned. The problem is the Netban Policy specifically says 'cross zone spamming' is only netbannable if you are banned from a zone, and message the mod who banned you from another zone, after they have already ignored you on another name. Then this makes sense. Ignore doesn't work, they asked you to stop, you are banned, and you are spamming them.

 

However what i was doing, was talking not spamming, to spidernl from another zone. i was never banned from hyperspace. He never told me to stop, he just said he would get me net-banned. And he could have ignored me, as i don't change names to evade ignores.

 

So really i've been netbanned tons of times for breaking rules people make up.

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I'm currently netbanned after being a law abiding citizen because I always figured that doing good holds no consequences..... well, now I find out, that civil disobedience is the price you pay for breaking your own laws
Hakaku Newbie

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Netban policies aren't displayed in-game simply due to limitations with the client and biller. The only fathomable way to have this done would be to have each zone throw it in their news.txt file, which not many people read anyways and would get hidden by actual news content.

 

If you're banned and believe you've done nothing wrong, dispute the ticket.

Lone Outlaw Newbie

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The problem with the dispite ticket, is the person who banned you, handles the dispute tickets, or is buddy buddy with the community. You need a wild card like me to handle ban disputes. At least i would be objective. Some netbans are justified, for a day, wheras the guy in charge decides once its justified he can extend it to 1 year because his pride is butt hurt etc.

 

But it's only my opinion, don't netban me for it.

Lone Outlaw Newbie

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Well, i'll accept that Lynx, i take it at your word, though then i question what fair is.

 

Bans may be fair, if a mod doesn't like certain things in the community, ie certain expressions, personalities, or trolls, or some type of behavior, then a mod will justify it as a fair ban. This guys deserves a time out etc.

But to the person being banned it hardly seems fair to ban a person for who they are based on the aspect that one mod doesn't like them.

 

(It would even be very hard to conclude that no one likes them, because there are tons of people on subspace, surely they are liked somewhere, by someone)

 

So are you saying bans are fair because people who are jerks just deserve it?

 

For me fair or unfair pertains to either the zone rules, or the netban rules. If it's not in the rules, then leave it be. Ignore works 90% of the time. So yes maybe lots of people "deserve" bans, but do the mods ban according to listed rules all the time? Most likely not, mods base it mostly on their own sense of right and wrong. So of course many of us including me will find sympathy with a mod, who is dealing with all sorts of things while volunteering their time, but then i question why do they volunteer if they 1. don't like the player demographic 2. don't have time to deal with people, or the diplomatic skills necessary? i would suggest either taking a time out, or just doing things from behind the scenes to these people.

 

 

And to go further, i would suggest that you can argue all wrongdoings won't be listed in the zone rules etc. Or netban rules. But of course i agree, it would be unrealstic to list every possible wrong thing in the rules, then we would have something like a Law book of thousands of pages, with sections and sub-sections.

 

So i bring up a very valid point now, i think it depends how close something connects to a listed rule.

 

So for example i PM someone a lot, about some issue.

The person may not like me, and ban me for harassment.

But what was the connection between my action and harassment? Was it close enough? We don't have to make a specific rule for every situation, but we should judge based on how closely one's action pertain to the listed rules.

In the case of harassment, did you tell me to stop? Did i evade and ignore by getting on another name? Was i spamming nonesense or was i formulating sentances and ideas? Even if you don't like me does that constitute enough of a basis to call this harassment because i am talking to someone who doesn't like me?

 

And as well one has to consider, beyond connection, can it be handled in a better way besides a ban?

And of course one could consider that one instance of viewing unfairs bans, doesn't necessarily speak for all of them or discount that others do not exist. Not to deny your credibility, i believe you are credible and honest wholeheartedly.

 

Now i understand i do bring a bit of a bias into this being banned a few times myself. But if i haven't been objective or if you take fault with what im saying, then well your opinions are respected..

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Unix is a girl: put that in your pipe and smoke how many violations of her american civil liberties you have violated....

 

cheese.... you're making yourself liable by not including </sarcasm>..... oops your whole profile is <sarcasm></sarcasm> nvm

 

I'm pretty sure I know who to go after if I went after someone.... Dr Brain signed chatnut........ in the about menu.... but why would I go after bad horse???? that's dumb as shit

 

problem is now he thinks he's saito.....

 

aka the enforcer

 

alex is my real friend who I met struggling to make ends meet in the soul mates section of livejasmin.com....... the non-nude section.....

 

and I skyped with him and told him what to put... and explained it all..... we took the clips from vampire hunter d...... which was my introduction into anime back in 91/92....

 

I didn't get the whole movie..... but I loved the sexy girls!

 

Lord, I pray for X'terrania..... who was attacked by dreams of dragons and beasts....... spare him please, he's my friend!

Lone Outlaw Newbie

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You'll be banning him forever, enforcing bans on browsers is pretty hard i think compared to continuum.

 

He is having a hard time unbanning though. But it's almost as annoying as you having to ban him. Which basically means him and the mods can sue for peace, to get the immaturity out of the way, and have a relatively stress free year. Unless you want the stress of always having to renew someones ban. And unless he wants the stress of having to unban. Why not work out some agreement?

 

i don't see why a forum ban should extend to the game, or the game should extend to the forums.

 

If he broke considerable in game rules, then perhaps a netban is good for a month? But going beyond a month, based on text is kind of immature in itself. Unless he was cheating. If he wasn't banned from the game, he wouldn't bother too much with unbanning from the forums. As he could relieve his conscience in game., Likewise if he only broke a forum rule, why is he even banned in game? Counter to that, if he only broke a game rule, why is he banned on forums?

 

It's all pretty lame, i don't even find any serious fault with his posts, except they are off topic sometimes.

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