Jareth Posted October 10, 2012 Report Posted October 10, 2012 I'm not sure what you were trying to say there, but I wasn't attacking unix with what I said. I just think that the person who is suggesting the idea is irrelevant to the decision on whether or not to implement it.
Arry Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Posted October 10, 2012 Here's my Prozium: "I think I will pop a pill of Vitalic, change my ss name to Dario" I'm not sure what you were trying to say there, but I wasn't attacking unix with what I said. I just think that the person who is suggesting the idea is irrelevant to the decision on whether or not to implement it. jareth, please post usage stats, and someone post hours logged into HS, also someone look at this guys history to see if he's worth listening to... kthx
Jareth Posted October 10, 2012 Report Posted October 10, 2012 Usage stats? What? I am monkey, btw. You can tell by looking to the left of what I am saying.
Arry Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) that's what I orginally assumed.... but I thought perhaps someone made a forum group called monkey and threw all the monkeys into it..... and jareth was this noob monkey imposter....... Anyways, if ideas don't matter who they come from, why did you tell me you're monkey? Edit: also in your original post you did not define clearly who you were speaking about, you may have very well meant me, but I took it as if you were speaking about Unix.... Edited October 10, 2012 by Arry
Jareth Posted October 10, 2012 Report Posted October 10, 2012 This is getting too meta for me, but I told you because you seemed confused on who I was.
Unix Posted October 10, 2012 Report Posted October 10, 2012 Doesnt matter who you are, a valid point is a valid point. omonomnomnomnn could've been cheese, but if he had a valid point it doesnt matter.
Deathmonger Posted October 10, 2012 Report Posted October 10, 2012 I just wanted to take this opportunity to complain and yet offer no constructive ideas. You're welcome.
Arry Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) ....pretty soon P Nut will walk into the forums and go "BUTTSEX" Yes, I agree, Unix. And yes, Monkey, I go meta at the slightest drop of a hat to try to prove out who's being hypocritical and who genuinely has something to contribute.... If it's too meta for you, please feel free to drop out at any time.... This is getting too meta for me, but I told you because you seemed confused on who I was.Doesnt matter who you are, a valid point is a valid point. omonomnomnomnn could've been cheese, but if he had a valid point it doesnt matter. But realistically, Unix, Dr Horrible does not have time for a grudge match with every poser in a parka, how much a person has contributed to this zone, even it's just by hanging out on spec like monkey or flaming forums and boards, give SpiderNL a reasonable way to see who to devote 1 minute to and who to devote 30 minutes to.... Edited October 10, 2012 by Arry
Jareth Posted October 10, 2012 Report Posted October 10, 2012 And yes, Monkey, I go meta at the slightest drop of a hat to try to prove out who's being hypocritical and who genuinely has something to contribute.... I wasn't being hypocritical. You can't push a conversation towards one thing and then point fingers at the person who responds to it. I responded by saying who I was, because you were confused about it. I never said that I am monkey, so you have to listen to what I say.
Arry Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Ok, now -you're- going too meta for -me-.... Usage stats? What? I am monkey, btw. You can tell by looking to the left of what I am saying. As soon as you confirm my original miscalculation, I'm allowed to continue as if it was not a miscalculation after all...... You never said you were monkey and then you said you were monkey....... was I wrong to assume in the first place? or did you correct me when my assumption proved true? Edited October 10, 2012 by Arry
Jareth Posted October 10, 2012 Report Posted October 10, 2012 I can't follow what you are saying, because it makes no sense. I was questioning why those were relevant, and then said I was monkey, because _____you_____ were questioning whether or not I have played hyperspace.
spidernl Posted October 10, 2012 Report Posted October 10, 2012 This sounds an awful lot like Trash Talk, lads. To be honest, the whole topic does.
Cheese Posted October 10, 2012 Report Posted October 10, 2012 arry has bad judgement and is bipolaryoull have to forgive him
Dr Brain Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 I'm going to un-derail (not a real word) the post and talk about why everyone is wrong, and I am right. First off, a lot of people have a misconception about the purpose of the zone. The zone does not exist for the "community" or for the "population" or for the "vets" or for the "greater good" or even for the players to have fun (I'm serious). It exists to make me happy. That's it. There's nothing more to it. If you do not realize this, you can never be helpful. With that point held firmly in your mind, we'll proceed with the rest of this post. A lot of the time, making other people happy does make me happy. I'm as human as the next guy (depending on the next guy, I suppose). If I ever got it into my head that I'd be happier with the zone gone, it would be gone. On the contrary, knowing the zone is still prospering does still, in some small way, make me happy. So I've left the zone in the care of others, in this case, spidernl. And because the zone doesn't exist to serve the community, or the players, all the things that I said above pretty much now apply to spidernl. The development process on the zone hinges solely upon his happiness. If he thinks a feature will make him happy, he may work to add it. If he thinks a feature will not make him happy, then I'm sure he will not add it. So it all comes down to what motivates him. If he's anything like me, then it's the challenge that motivates him: specifically the challenge of balancing competing requirements to make a game that is enjoyable for the majority of the people that regularly frequent the zone. This post is a bit rambly (also not a real word), but I'd like to reiterate that it's not about the community, or even what's good for the community. It's about having fun. Try to keep that in mind.
spittnacid Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 *Rerail... its in the unbridged dictionary Glad i could contribute
Psythe Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 First off, a lot of people have a misconception about the purpose of the zone. The zone does not exist for the "community" or for the "population" or for the "vets" or for the "greater good" or even for the players to have fun (I'm serious). It exists to make me happy. That's it. There's nothing more to it. If you do not realize this, you can never be helpful. The same reason I map. No fame or fortune involved. I do it because I enjoy it. I don't do it to please a single player in the game. I am influenced a bit by players' expectations, but the decision is always mine. If I ever leave, it won't be because of you people. It'll be because I find myself un-impressed with my own abilities as a developer.
Lone Outlaw Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Still unix suggested the balancing system is faulty, i came in that same thread, and posted easy ways to make it better. (If someone can find the thread, it's not that important to me) And Spidernl eventually agreed with everything i said, stated he should have done this, but is the only coder, and doesn't really have time, but will get around to it eventually. (if i remember correctly) Basically spidernl already admitted the team evening is lame. Unless he fixed it since then, i don't even see the issue here. Except that he didn't fix it yet. Now that's only for that specific suggestion, im sure there are other suggestions that went under the carpet. As for mapping, being a mapper myself for various zones, i always bring in the whole population of a zone to view my maps as i progress through creating them. A real mapper would take every suggestion into account, implement various ideas cohesively, to come out with a combination of kick ass ideas from various people. Only considering your own ideas on a map, will never guarantee that the map reaches it's full potential. You being a bias person with maybe one or two perspectives will NEVER, carry the 100 different perspectives, or ideas that come from 100 different people any other way. As the saying goes, "If i can see farther than others, it's only because i stand on the shoulders of giants who came before me." No idea, or knowledge is truly your own, it's built upon detail by detail from previous ideas or previous knowledge. A true artist is only concerned with the best, and constantly improves their maps, and implements the BEST of other peoples ideas. Unless you want to represent the worst of what a map can be. Then you can be self righteous and think you know everything. Edited October 11, 2012 by Lone Outlaw
Arry Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Posted October 11, 2012 You're bringing you own opinion when you pre-define what a "real mapper" is.... and a "true artist". I don't think these are terms anyone can define for others.
Psythe Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) As for mapping, being a mapper myself for various zones, i always bring in the whole population of a zone to view my maps as i progress through creating them. A real mapper would take every suggestion into account, implement various ideas cohesively, to come out with a combination of kick ass ideas from various people. Only considering your own ideas on a map, will never guarantee that the map reaches it's full potential. You being a bias person with maybe one or two perspectives will NEVER, carry the 100 different perspectives, or ideas that come from 100 different people any other way. As the saying goes, "If i can see farther than others, it's only because i stand on the shoulders of giants who came before me." No idea, or knowledge is truly your own, it's built upon detail by detail from previous ideas or previous knowledge. A true artist is only concerned with the best, and constantly improves their maps, and implements the BEST of other peoples ideas. Unless you want to represent the worst of what a map can be. Then you can be self righteous and think you know everything. I would argue that you deserve less credit for your creations when the ideas aren't your own. But I'm not going to act like you're a bad person for it. Everyone can run things however they want. Not taking everyone else's opinion into account is a shortcoming, and I know it. But it reduces a lot of drama and certainly reduces the workload when it comes to this sort of thing. Considering this is the opposite of a real job, I don't feel obligated to listen to anyone else. I think that's a very realistic way to go about it. My function in this zone is a very vague one, and I like to keep it that way. Besides, I had my run of some great creations for this zone, anyway. As did nolan123, also a mapper. I might be able to say that I've already been satisfied with my work, and the rest of it is done only as a hobby. Edited October 11, 2012 by Psythe
spittnacid Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 if mapping is an art than the artists does what he wants ultimately. He can be inspired by others and that's different than taking orders to do something a particular way. Ppl that get butt hurt and complain are as egotistical as those they perceive as being egotistical because you're blaming them for not doing what you want, suggesting that you know what's right. Just make suggestions and leave it at that. Spidernl could probably do himself a favor and just not respond back with a rebutle(sic) and just say "thanks for the input".
spidernl Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 You're wrong and I hate you. Also, thanks for the input.
spittnacid Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 You're wrong and I hate you. Also, thanks for the input. LOL
Lone Outlaw Posted October 12, 2012 Report Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Well, i usually acknowledge it's my opinion. And not absolute truth. For one things like art, deal with different perspectives of people. So it's all subjective and relative. As well, truth isn't something easy to come by, at the most we just know what isn't true. We can eliminate falsehoods. It is my opinion of a what 'real' mapper is, or a 'true' artist. Personally when i map i always map my own ideas. There is nothing wrong with mapping only your own ideas. You don't need to take orders either. So lets say i had an idea to make a Battle Star Galactica map. That's great, nothing wrong with mapping it. Especially because when it's your idea/project, you will have motivation to actually work on it. But really since it is my idea, and i want my idea to be the best, i realize that not only can i benefit, but my idea can benefit from listening to others opinions on what i mapped as i go along. (Simply because i acknowledge there are things i might miss, or things i might not know) It doesn't mean other people will always be right, but it definitely helps you develop your idea further, especially when discussing it with an objective fresh mind of a person who brings a new perspective. But just to map your own thing entirely. It gives a representation of yourself. You as an artist. So you like to do this, you think this way, you like those colors etc, you like those shapes more than others. But it doesn't give a very good representation of what your idea could have been. And if you never asked others opinions, you won't really even notice that your map failed to reach its potential, you having created it will think its amazing. Like trying an icecream for the first time and thinking it's the best. Not knowing that 100 other flavors exist that are way better than the one you just tried. For whatever reason. (Maybe post apocalypse, only the recipe for vanilla flavor icecream survives) Details of my example aren't that relevant, just the point that it's trying to get across. (btw vanilla is probably one of the best flavors anyway) Edited October 12, 2012 by Lone Outlaw
spittnacid Posted October 12, 2012 Report Posted October 12, 2012 Vanilla is a simple refreshing change but it is not the best. The best ice cream EVER and everyone but you will agree is Pistachio. Well maybe people with nut allergies will disagree but it's not their fault. Even then I bet most with only minor sensitivity would muster through swollen lips or throat just to taste that delicious nutty goodness. I'm mildly allergic to avocado but that doesn't stop me from eating it because it is so yummy. In fact, my reactions to it have gotten milder and milder through the years. I'm still sensitive to bananas but I don't like them very much anyways so there is no love loss. Since we are on the topic of vanilla though, do you prefer regular or vanilla bean? I much like vanilla bean of the regular when I do want a simple ice cream. Now for something more relevant to the game, someone mentioned potions. I think this is a great idea but how would a heat potion work? I was thinking maybe a potion of antifreeze or an engine oil elixir, that's assuming that we still use gas in the future, unfortunetly "subspace lore" doesn't make mention of it. Also what about a fireball spell? That would be awesome!!
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