Plutorus Posted September 2, 2012 Report Posted September 2, 2012 Would you like to see the return of the +1 flag game for a reset? For those newer to Chaos, this older version gave the flag holder a bonus of +1 lvl bullets and + 1 lvl bombs. As an example, a fully upgraded warbird holding the flag in this game would have level 4 bullets and lvl 3 bombs (the blue kind, like a lev). There was also a version where the flag would not only give the power-ups, but also some countering downgrades, like a slight reduction in speed. Vote and discuss below!
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted September 2, 2012 Report Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) I'm going to have to go nay here. This used to be the standard game type in my "Home" zone Witch Doom. This worked in WD because even a non-powered up ship could overtake a flagged ship with proper application of luck and technique. Would that hold true here as well? Sure. But there are some major differences in how giving that upgrade to a SVS ship vs that upgrade on a WD ship will effect the final potency of the ship. WD ships were balanced Super-Ships(Fast moving, not uncommon to spray groups of 10-20 bombs) In SVS the variance of ship abilities is too closely matched to give one a power up in proximity and bullet damage and not have it be overpowered. The nature of WD ships made the upgrade matter a lot less. It did give you a slight advantage, but not one that would induce complete frustration. SVS ships are too slow and closely balanced to upgrade them in such a way and not destroy the balance. Edited September 2, 2012 by ZiGNoTZaG
»passplay Posted September 2, 2012 Report Posted September 2, 2012 Witch Doom! That zone was fun! Do you know how has the settings for that? Maybe we could do an event based off those settings some day!
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted September 2, 2012 Report Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) I could swear I used to have them, looked high and low. Alas...no settings. Perhaps I need to dig deeper into some old backup disks. The only person I can think of that might have them around that may still be active is LT of T3 Gauntlet. Edited September 2, 2012 by ZiGNoTZaG
»Nude For Satan Posted September 3, 2012 Report Posted September 3, 2012 definite yes. The other flag game sucks balls and is a blight on everything, even other blights.At least toggle which game is on, reset by reset.
Guest UltiFighter Posted September 3, 2012 Report Posted September 3, 2012 Yeah, why not! hit me up wit dem bullets n bombs ( : I'd love to test it!
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted September 4, 2012 Report Posted September 4, 2012 If you give me a jav with l3 bombs and bullets, you will come to know this "blight"
Sue E. Side Posted September 4, 2012 Report Posted September 4, 2012 The current flag game does more harm than good and I'll gladly delve into them if anyone wants to argue it. I would much rather see the bullets + bombs level up flag make a return.
»Nude For Satan Posted September 4, 2012 Report Posted September 4, 2012 I'd be happy for the brass to toggle them ... one or two resets with one flag game, then one or two with the other. Just mix it up ... Zig ... if you stayed in your lev you'd get lvl4 .. or 5 ... or some shiznit, I was hit by one of those a year or two back and a lamp post shattered outside.
»passplay Posted September 4, 2012 Report Posted September 4, 2012 Zig ... if you stayed in your lev you'd get lvl4 .. or 5 ... or some shiznit, I was hit by one of those a year or two back and a lamp post shattered outside. lol.And yes lev's would get level 4 (purple) and they really hurt! I also remember the first time I got hit by one of those, I felt violated and confused after.
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted September 4, 2012 Report Posted September 4, 2012 Yes indeed. L4s! However in this particular SVS setting, L4's are a death sentence. If this game comes to be, and I am flying a lev, I would be wise to avoid the flag. Problem 1) The increase in energy cost to fire. Fire two of these bad boys and your pushing it. Problem 2) The Prox. Now I just fired two and then I take some of my own prox damage, hell, Im just about dead! If you don't agree with me, go ahead and lev it up and get that flag, and Ill show you a problem not inherent to the settings, but to the conduct of the zone in general. Nope. Jav.
»Nude For Satan Posted September 4, 2012 Report Posted September 4, 2012 (edited) Problem 2) The Prox. Now I just fired two and then I take some of my own prox damage, hell, Im just about dead! Especially with some lag-arsed 300ms aussie floating around inducing random prox Imagine firing a lvl4 at sunburst, people would explode in other zones! Edited September 4, 2012 by Nude For Satan
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted September 4, 2012 Report Posted September 4, 2012 Ya there is always that Plowy McTankerton to deal with
»Axe Demento Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 I've wondered this a couple times i enjoy the flag game as it is but of course i enjoyed the power up flags. Could you add a Ball that gives +1/+1 make a high timer and allow firing. That way you could get flags. Get the Ball and get powerups Can both the flag game and the ball game run at the same time. Plus on a side note how about Ziggys map getting a full reset not just a weekend at the end of summer. ...Axe
Sue E. Side Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 Ignore Demento's ideas and all will be right in Chaos.
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 Could you add a Ball that gives +1/+1 make a high timer and allow firing. That way you could get flags. Get the Ball and get powerups Can both the flag game and the ball game run at the same time. As far as I know, you cannot have the ball give an upgrade if the flags do not. Both can run at the same time.
Death Incarnate Posted September 10, 2012 Report Posted September 10, 2012 It can only be one or the other... havn't you all ever played this before.... shit..... its like.. i say 2+2=3you say its... 2+2=4are we to compromise and say its 3.5?isnt that an incorrect answer lol
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted September 10, 2012 Report Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) It can only be one or the other... havn't you all ever played this before.... shit..... Not sure what you mean. But take the flags as we have them now. Change the two settings that give an upgrade if you are carrying a flag. Now when you pick up a flag your weapons get upgraded and perhaps other various things occur. Add a PB(s). Now, regardless of whether or not you are flagged, you can pickup the ball. Picking up the ball alone (You are not carrying flags) does not you give you an upgrade unless you have the option in the config set to use the flagger upgrades/downgrades. If the flags are not giving upgrades or downgrades, picking up the ball will have no effect other then those inherent to the soccer settings. So you can run both games, both can give upgrades/downgrades, but you cannot have just the ball give upgrades, the flag settings control that, and the soccer settings "borrow" from that. Not an either/or scenario. Edited September 10, 2012 by ZiGNoTZaG
Ninespike Posted September 10, 2012 Report Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Here we fucking go again with the FEW making zone changes for the MANY... if you want to have a zone you can change into whatever you want every fucking week then go make a fucking zone for that. Stop changing chaos for a few fucking people because they are bored. Why the fuck this is even a consideration is beyond me. Edited September 10, 2012 by Ninespike
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted September 10, 2012 Report Posted September 10, 2012 Who is doing what? This is just talk Nine I cant speak for him, but I think its quite safe to say Hallu isn't going to do anything radical for any extended period of time. Instead of such a brief display of dismay at the mere mention of a change in gameplay perhaps you would offer up your opinion on why or why not such changes would be a good or bad thing. The game in question here (to the best of my knowledge) is one that has existed in chaos before. One or two no timer flags that upgrade a ship. Nothing more.
Ninespike Posted September 10, 2012 Report Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) When it comes to that it is simply a matter of opinion and my opinion is no better than anyone elses. I happen to like the 8 flag game and i was the one primarily who pushed and pushed for the flag game stats we have now in the hallucitron. (before that i was the one pushing and pushing for squad stat recognition which also came about). If i was going to push anything now it would be to solve the flag points counting error problem in the hallucitron. it does not shoq individual or squad flag totals just winners. i just like the 8 flag game which has been a part of choas for a very very long time. i was pissed when it was taken out and bitched and bitched until it was put back in. expect more of the same if it happens again. then this fiasco of having a powerball goal/game in chaos the other weekend. I CALL BULLSHIT ON THAT. they have a powerball zone. so once again GET YOUR OWN FUCKING ZONE FOR THAT SHIT.. dont use ours. the only thing you guys want is the huge advantage that comes with purple bullets and blue bombs. try playing better instead. oh and one more thing that in my opinion that needs to be fixed ASAP.. if you win a flag game with 0 points THERE SHOULD BE NO BTY REWARD. Edited September 10, 2012 by Ninespike
»ZiGNoTZaG Posted September 10, 2012 Report Posted September 10, 2012 Well since that was my map and therefore my goal, Ill address that. First you should understand that It was I who approached Hallu with the idea of trying out a different map in pub, not Hallu seeking a new map. You can sleep at night knowing that Hallu does not care for the goal either, and expressed as much right from the get go. I continued with my map for a few months and presented the map as finished to Hallu who agreed to give it a trial run. My goal was not to destroy your idea of what you think chaos should be, it was to try and improve the zone through action, not idle complaining or stagnating inaction. I would like nothing more then to see player counts rise, and I made a serious attempt at providing some positive development to such an end. So if you think I was "using" "your" zone for some form of self glorification you would be dead wrong. I just made some things for a game I like and want others to like as well.
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