17th parallel staff

[DaKillaRoach]

I have stated my opinion, and it was all I wanted to do. Everyone has a free right to speak out and against me, and prehaps my views are a little strong on things, but I hold my opinions in high view along with those of Tempest. I was fed up of having not being able to say anything about staff when I myself see a problem, which a few others have explained the same point of view also; be it in pm, seperate ?chat or on the forum.

 

I'll make one last defence upon this case with the limited time I have here before I must go.

 

Blue you stated about the ER comment. Well actually your wrong, because I know the EXACT person, still actually on staff who asked myself what ER means.

 

Now coming back to my quote 'This made me remember one quote someone said about staff people are players who suck and think by becoming staff they dont need skill.' Maybe I didnt explain this enough. I was referring to the fact some staff people come to staff because they arent very good in game, they are in fact quite poor, and do join staff to outreach themselves from this poor playing ability and feel a little more special because they have powers. Delic probably describes this situation better than I could, but still that is the feeling I have.

 

Now the hitler thing; oh this one makes me laugh. I once said upon staff chat 'I think Hitler had the right idea' to see you all burst into flames, screaming and shouting, how fun it was to watch you react. If I was to be totally honest, I dont fully support the cause of his work, killing prehaps is the wrong thing, but thinking with that of Britain, I would remove every useless !@#$%^&*ylum seeker not wanting to work but sit around and take money off the taxpayer, and remove him from the UK. That was the reasoning behind my words. Obviously you go straight to the most obvious thing that I have a dislike for Jews and want to go on a killing spree of sorts? Well I aint going into a political discussion about Hitler on 17th Forum Boards.

 

You mention good and bad staff, gracing my good side you called it I believe. Ok, Ive said some people I consider friends as good staffers, but the thing is thats because they are. Maverick is always friendly, hosts events for people and is a generally nice guy, Tempest= is a gentleman. Polite, friendly, and responsive in kinda terms. They are good staffers and good friends to have, but some others I listed I wouldnt call friends, I would barely call aquentences (sp?). Pernille for example; I dont speak to her that much, I consider her a little rude at times, and were not on the same levelof communication where meaning we dont speak well, we have nothing in common, we are 2 completly different individuals, and well I wouldnt we got on like a house on fire. Vile also, is very much like Pern in the levels of talking to for me. Yet some people are generally haters it seems to the wrong things.

 

I have no new ideas, I have no agreements I want people to make. I'm a ER! I'm here to host and be friendly to pub people not invent new ship sets and screw around with pub a bit. Then the fact you call this flaming which I would refer this to structured critism because I refuse to post bad peoples name, I am trying to not put that much bad spotlight on a single person, and am just stating my views. If I was to flame I might as well burst out with random stuff about Staff is -*BAD WORD*- all over and people need to get lives, but this isnt a flame post.

 

Now the Javelin; a good hatred enemy of mine. Let me just point something out to you here Blue. At one point I COULDNT play Javelin because I sucked at it, didnt like the feel of it, couldnt kill, blah blah blah. I turned to my Lancaster (god bless that ship) and found it to be great fun, and I could control it well. Now over time I became better, and that reflected onto other ships, and well, i'm a average Javelin player now at least. I have a sub-account from which I used to play Javelin before my aol broadband. But the lag problem? YES there WAS a lag problem. My computer couldnt keep up with the Javelin. Fast moving, lots o' bullets in steady streams, etc. Ok ive got a -*BAD WORD*- computer, thats the reason for crap lag when your graphics card can only just handle continuum. Doesnt help when combined with 56K AOL.

 

Onto NBVs post. The post of mine was made to not discriminate anyone to the best of my ability while getting my point across. A post is yours to look at and percieve as how you feel fit, and well yes you are right, that sounds like one -*BAD WORD*- of a mod to me (we thinking of someone different prehaps?) but the fact it is for other means, whichhave been told and alot of people (amazingly who have been fired from staff or suspended) see it or think it strongly to. Is it that obvious by the 'corrupt' staff people? Or maybe staff people dont want to say anything so they dont want to put their job on the line.

 

Well i'm putting it on the line it seems by posting my opinion and talking about the things I feel I need to on the forum because no one else will listen, yet when it goes up in big words alot of people come to defend it. I told naedhaha this would piss alot of people off because they dont like truth, and people dont like my views and my opinion. That has been clearly seen, but thats not the point I suppose.

 

I wont argue over the suspension, its happened now. I wont argue about this staffer needs to be sacked and this one promoted because ive explained my views and feel I dont need to critisize anymore. This will probably be one of the last times I say something in the 17th forum because everytime I post something contraversal which people dont like to think about with a open mind, they blam it until it falls into disarry. And that, is what has happened, once again!

 

So. I end with this final comment. I'm paying for my opinions now in the form of a suspension. I'm paying for the problems it has caused when brought into staff chat by the same person who suspended me. Players and staffers of 17th. I'll continue hosting and being the best staff person I can be before the inevitable, but it seems I will have to keep my mouth shut in game, on forum and in ?chat if I want to do the thing I like doing which is trying to make 17th more fun to you than it currently is.

 

-Röach

[Bran]

Me thinks warCC is a bad mod..

[WaRCC]

You really think that Bran... what did i do wrong...

 

plz tell me, i want to learn from my faults... ~shrug~

 

 

[ or did you just want some attention ]

[pernille]

It is not like it is a big crime that a staff member dosent know about all player commands,everything is not black and white.

The way you put it is like players who never owned a squad should not be staff cause they dont know the player commands for squad owners,and usualy ppl dont bother about commands before they need them,i really doubt the first thing players do is to read the player commands and learn them.

Did you figure out yourself what ER> stands for or do you know it cause you heard someone mention it?

I dont think people looks stupid cause they ask about things they dont know,it would be more stupid to not ask and only guess.

Even staff forget commands sometimes,the ones that a person rarely uses like how to ban for a few days or edit a ban etc and it dont make them look bad to ask in my eyes.

 

 

 

pernille

[nez]

Just wanted to say that I think 17th staff are fine. I have no reason to dislike anyone. Things are good as is. But people sure -*BAD WORD*- a lot. -*BAD WORD*-ing is never good... And how long has it been going on? (the -*BAD WORD*-ing that is).

 

The zone seems to run smooth enough to me. I think the SubSpace community in general is pretty small, and not exactly growing. Oldschool 17th isn't going to ever, ever be back how it was. its like me wanting to go to DZA and fly in straight lines lobbing bombs at A1, or playing Speed, or Turf, or Chaos with its j12 bursts. Not going to happen again. Nope. Never.

 

I think 17th has turned into a soap opera; ntfx cheated on vile with mike, so they had to write him out of the script, and pernille is the token female, and teen boy fantasy. dakillaroach is just the best, no I mean the best er, ever. no, no...no really! of course he's releasing his book compiled of his 466 forum posts about how 17th staff suck shortly.

 

...umm. what was my point?

 

-nez/zettai

[Delic]

pernille: So that's why DaKillaRoach is suspended?

Because he said something stupid?

 

pern, trust me, you say stupid things every week (like when you said that 17th could still be North vs South even if we made a pubmap with just one base in north, wtf?) and I don't see anyone questioning your position as HEAD SYSOP for saying stupid things.

 

Na, you guys really screwed yourselves by suspending DaKillaRoach, no matter what he said.

 

What he said was his opinion, simply his opinion and views on 17th, which every single one of us should be allowed to have and express.

 

It's obvious that DaKillaRoach is just like me: He just wants a better 17th, even if our views may be different, it doesn't matter.

 

So answer me please, why did you suspend him?

As I understand it, you said in chat "dkr", dkr replied "yes pern?" and you said "your such an idiot".

 

This was what started that whole discussion.

I believe you said that after reading the first reply he made to this thread.

 

Now, if you want your own staffers to respect one another, how come you don't have to?

 

You have to do it more than anyone since you're the Head Sysop.

 

In reality, you suspended DaKillaRoach for his personality, and not because he did something wrong.

 

This only shows your incompetence as Upper Staffers.

[Naedhaha]

I agree with delic

[Tempest]

Be less rash, Delic Roachy wasn't suspended because he voiced his views on the forum; nor was it because he voiced his opinions.

[Delic]

Tell me why then

[NBVegita]

Go nez!!! Go nez!!!

 

I don't mind if you post a problem you have, or mention one, but it seems since delics first post about staff ( the one I closed) dkr has done nothing but complain about the whole staff.

 

I have no new ideas, I have no agreements I want people to make. I'm a ER! I'm here to host and be friendly to pub people not invent new ship sets and screw around with pub a bit.

 

Now delic complains, but he does something about it. He get's into debates, created flagwar, does his part to make his opinion known constructively (and I wont lie, sometimes destructivly) And he does something about what he wants changed.

 

But from a quote by you (above) you say you have no new ideas or agreements to be made. Well then what's the point in complaining if you don't have a suggestion on how to make it better? It's like complaining that bush is president of US, and not have even voted in the election (us example). I understand complaints, as everyone will have them, but don't just complain, because it gets old, and does nothing to help anyone. Post a solution to your complaint. And even if you post what you see as a solution, you might actually have to work for that solution, it won't just *poof* and be all done.

 

Ideas are good.

 

Initiavite, with ideas, is great.

 

No ideas, no initiative, not good.

 

And it's a lie if you say you don't have any ideas, because every single player out there, weither he admits it or not, would like to see some little thing adjusted, give his spid one more burst, or how bout a lil more energy in his weasel. It's not a matter of having ideas, it's a matter of expressing them. Delic has them, and ohh boy he lets us know he has em. As do some other players, but I think the majority of the players are happy/content with life as is, at least content enough not to post their ideas about what needs done.

 

Summary: If you're unhappy, or not content with the zone, post ideas, not complaints, or if you post complaints, post ideas. Make it Constructive. Post problems AND solutions.

 

Eat grapes

 

much <3

[DaKillaRoach]

Thank you Delic for your support

 

NBV (and here was me saying I wouldnt post anything else on this but I cant stop myself replying to someone else I respect) I saw this thread and well it niggeled me. For so long ive wanted to shout out the problems I have with the staff, and then I believe was my chance. I dont think I have anymore to say on how poor some staff people are, I have raised my opinion upon this thread, which i'm en!@#$%^&*lted to do without any back lash as long as its not discrimitive of staff peoples names (a rule brought in by Pern and Warcc) and not racist/sexist/etc.

 

You might argue my overall post was discrimitive of staff, I would say it was my opinion on the fact that SOME staff people arnt very good but as ive told people, I REFUSE to tell people these names because that IS discrimitive upon those persons. People have every right to look at this thread and interprit the post how ever they wish. Some have taken it seriously, some have not. Some have considered it a attack on staff out of spite and hatred, others like Delic have understood it was my opinion which I felt I needed to tell before it came out in the wrong way.

 

But one thing I wish to address to you NBV. Everytime ive been involved in a debate it seems that it turns bad against me with something nasty being created. I remember several times getting insulted at by people who I once considered good people, throwing words at me like i'm the Devil because I dont agree with them or I have a stronger opinion than them.

 

I'm not complaining about ALL of staff, just those (and especially one who has driven me fully into this problem, from day 1 when he went angry at me for a stupid reason... before I was even staff!)

 

I want to say one more thing though.

 

'Be less rash, Delic Roachy wasn't suspended because he voiced his views on the forum; nor was it because he voiced his opinions.'

 

This was posted by Tempest. Tempest, I recieved a message from tablet saying I have been suspended for a week because of the argument I (thats I) started in staff chat. Sorry but pernille addressed me about it in staff chat. Therefore it does appear to me to be about my opinion and nothing else. I didnt start a argument. Pern called me a idiot for posting my opinion on the forum, fare enough, her opinion I suppose and I didnt complain about that, yet to then have the blame put on me because a disagreement breaks out between others when it was originally was me and pern talking peacefully, well that seems less fair

[Foof]

Look, all that matters is i was suspended unfairly...everyone should drop whatever else they're talking about and talk about me ffs...by the way, i love nate..but i hate you jim, u backstabbing homo...oh yeah, and a special shoutout to my -*BAD WORD*-s maka and cencil <3

[Foof]

Also, if look at the stupid staff quotes that net and cencil put together for us...many many more suspensions are to come

[SeVeR]

Lol i have nothing against you foof. I only think lesser of you the more i read about what you have to post. I thought people got more mature the older they got.. or so i thought.

[Delic]

Very well replied DKR.

 

I wonder how they will reply If they even bother, because I know pernille has read this, but doesn't seem to have anything to say.

 

Bad, bad.

 

Say something pernille

[NBVegita]

Well DKR you know that if you have a problem, with any staff, you don't have to post names here. NBVegita@17thparallel.com. Send them there. Don't worry, others have done it before, I get things taken care of, no names used. And not just for staff, players can do the same. I can't guarantee results, but I'll do what's fair, and what is needed to be done.

 

btw <3 foof

 

And much <3 for all

 

Ohh yeah, and it's just natural to get your opinion dissected, because everytime you give an opinion, someone will agree, and someone will disagree. So don't take it personally really what people have said. It's kinda like starting a debate, and it helps us grow as people.

[Delic]

Well said.

 

Hmmm well I hope we all learned something

 

Dunno what else there is to say about this, I hope we can end it here

 

<3

[talion]

yes hopefully you can all get back to playing the game instead of whatever you want to call this thread.

 

lol really.

 

if the thread ends here it's sounded alot like marital counselling to me, although between 3 people or so...

 

maybe a peek into the bedrooms of the future?

[000]

yeah me and nez are the New zealanders we rock o yeah

we lag but we rock

 

hehe lol -*BAD WORD*- never ever ever post a fourm about staff ever ... it goes out of countrol

[000]

lock this topic b4 it gets anymre out of countrol, .,..... heaps of ppl saying heaps of -*BAD WORD*- about staff... waste of space i say

[WaRCC]

Me thinks warCC is a bad mod..

WaRCC> bran?

Bran Man> yes?

WaRCC> why were you so mean on forum?

Bran Man> ALL staff heres it

Bran Man> its ur week

WaRCC> neat..

 

[Bran]

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo

[Naedhaha]

WaRCC take that avatar off its jsut wrong!!!! it scares me