17th parallel staff

[000]

Hey ya !

 

just a lil Message saying keep up the good work 17th staff, 17th is slowly growing

 

i went to Visit some other zones and most of em are crap 17th has what it takes, leagues getting bigger and better and all, we have so many events its great

 

so just wanted to say 17th staff ur doin great job keep it up, keep hosting, making events

 

keep testing pub, its getting there, in fact its prity much there

 

 

good work!

 

p.s this fourm has to many anti-staff peeps just letten ya know there are ppl that like what u guys r doin

 

<3 from 000

[NBVegita]

Much <3, it's good to hear!

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Lol 000, you want back on Staff?

[SeVeR]

17th staff r the bestest in the whole wide world

[Delic]

Ehh no offense but I don't see what's so good about 17th as a zone.

I'm sure upper staff are trying to make it better, but they still have a lot to do.

And pub is still messed up, and still boring in my eyes.

Everyone runs around killing in the middle and a few are balling.

 

I mean, even besides the shipset in pub, the arena settings are lämë and prevents good fights. Like when you get a warp green or full charge.

 

It doesn't involve much skill really, unlike the old pub.

 

And Leagues? Eh.. umm yeah not even going there.

[Vile Requiem]

Maka sounds like the idealistic me (2 years ago)

(btw...full charge greens occur in almost every zone)

 

I gots me plugin on the day of yester, so we'll see what happens as far as pub ideas go.

[Delic]

Bah you're still comparing us to other zones?

 

Sigh. But yeah good luck with your latest plan

[DaKillaRoach]

I dont want to turn this into anti-staff thread, but I feel I have to post a message on this!

 

(Note: This is my OPINION so I dont get any ofyou staff people upon my back. Its in my views and what I see.)

The problem about this thread is how can you say 17th staff is good at this moment in time 000? HOW!

 

Name me something which have provided a huge break through in 17th lately? Ok over the years back when Zeke was in power he changed the ship settings, he promised only a trial period, in managed to kill 17th for a little while then yes it came back into population again, but who have we gained from this? Well we had about a year of people whining a little but nothing else, people wanted their old zone back, not this new industrial crap we got from that idiot Zeke, and now we have EVEN MORE complaints than we did before! Lasted a long time didnt it -.-'

 

Ok so maybe I shouldnt touch the ship setting situation? well lets go onto the plans of the zone? well we have Vile and Pern talking quite alot about changing bounties, greens and all that stuff. Fair enough, but how about changing back to those old settings people want? Wait! D'oh >.

 

but whys that make me the best ER? Because I host the events you want, not just events I dont like (like some staffers do...) which is why I even host javelin events (and I HATE the javelin). You see we have alot of ER's, amazingly, hardly any are active enough it seems to host events, let alone ones you really wanna play. And we have a ER who unable to host something as simple as race, wants to host as many events as possible so he can be promoted. Why? Because like he has said to us, he wants to be special like some of the others who became staff.

 

Now i'm not calling all ER's crap, there are some who are quite good at their job like naedhaha. and i'm not saying i'm a brilliant hoster. I get things wrong, everyone makes mistakes, i'm trying to reduce them so I can become a better ER for you people, YET we have people who are in staff for the wrong reason, and we have staffers who are, quite frankly, idiots!

 

So what do we do? Well we can praise some staffers who are actually well worth being in staff, we can praise those who are usless to staff to make htem more bigheaded, or we can ignore them like alot of people do now a days, but the point I want to get across in, staff shouldnt get praise, you wanna give praise? give it to inidividuals who are worth that praise! and if your thinking, maybe Roach wants some praise eh? Well nah, I'm doing the job I applied for and I dont need to be thanked by those the most important in this zone, prehaps it should be me praising you players who stay in this zone in its time of need.

 

Thank you all for your time, especially those who have read this long post.

 

-Röach

 

(Nb: Just for you staffers who want to blam me on this. Its my opinion, its what I feel needed to be said, but also what I think. If you have a problem, delete this, but let those who matter to this zone see what someone from staff thinks of some of its own staffers. This isnt a hate post, its a strong hearted post of opinion)

[WaRCC]

So the question I suppose is, WHY do we have people on this staff who are idiots, morons and, if I was to be brash, !@#$%^&*ers to this zone hmm? Well because they are helpful in their own right, we have one Mod who likes to cover almost every ?help command straight away, he watches and will issue bans with alot of thought, but yet he has this thing where he seems to be TOO over staff like for his position prehaps? He defends all, he likes to be the 'hero' and sort everyones problems out, and the way he generally act reeks like someone dieing for promotion -.-'

Is someone an idiot/moron or bad Mod if:

 

He likes to cover almost every ?help command

 

He watches and will issue bans with alot of thought,

 

He defends all (as in a fellow staffer who get yelled)

 

He likes to be the 'hero' and sort everyones problems out

 

 

I DONT THINK SO....

[Naedhaha]

it is if he does it just for promotion

[»Maverick]

Thank you 000 for your positive post. This is the thing that keeps staff going

 

[WaRCC]

it is if he does it just for promotion

What if the mod doesnt, and just want fairness in this game... ppl to treat each other well and dont yell/flame/-*BAD WORD*- at each other..

[Tempest]

Roach, I recognise your post as opinions - and, of course, you are perfectly en!@#$%^&*led to them. However, there are a few points which I believe are erroneous and should be corrected.

 

I will not argue about ship settings and the direction of the zone as a whole. I've already spent many posts addressing this issue and you should be quite familiar with my views.

 

However, your opinions on your fellow ERs seem unjustified. During the past week or so, I've seen more insults and flames thrown about on staff chat (involving certain ERs) than I have encountered in the past year. The cause of this problem is, as I see it, the whole 'Best ER' mentality.

 

Do not judge your fellow ERs or presume to know the reasons for which they entered staff. If you claim to be the 'Best ER' in 17th, then back your claim up with actions. Follow the protocol. Now, I am not directing this at you, or any other ER - for the most part, the ERs we have are generally great, enthusiastic hosts. However, perhaps reading the section of 'Professionalism' and 'At!@#$%^&*ude' will help a little. Part of being an ER is the at!@#$%^&*ude you show not only to players, but to other staffers too: note that 'A hospitable and polite at!@#$%^&*ude must be kept at all times'. ERs are a team of people - there is no greater or lesser ER and should be treated as such: are you in compe!@#$%^&*ion? No! If a new ER isn't as proficient as you are, then encourage and help him: don't scorn and pour abuse upon him.

 

Furthermore, I ask you to consider the following question: which is the better ER? He who brags about his accomplishments and superiority (even if this is true) or he who keeps these things to himself, and let those around him decide? What, indeed, is the point of labelling someone as 'Best ER' if not to gain recognition for one's achievements and thereby to belie the entire point of being an ER? The label qualifies the idea of some sort of compe!@#$%^&*ion and objective scale of worth. You say that there's 'Staff Greed' - isn't this very label contributing to the culture?

 

Now, about this 'Staff Greed' issue. Are mods not supposed to cover every ?help command? Would you ignore a ?host command as an ER? Should mods not watch and issue bans with thought? To be promoted takes a whole lot more than answering ?help commands and being friendly and helpful. Not everyone loves conflict: some prefer to avoid and negotiate - and what is wrong with trying to be friendly and helpful? Should we all strive to make enemies in 17th? Is it not somewhat unhealthy to actually despise or hate another player in what is essentially a game?

 

My words sound harsher in writing than in speech, and for that I apologise. This is, after all, an opinion, and should not be mistaken as anything more: however, I am curious about a number of these points and eagerly await a response.

[Delic]

I'm surprised to see these wise words from someone who said that Adolf Hitler had a "good idea" (DKR).

 

Temp, very nicely replied.

[Delic]

Staffers should be people who like serving others.

 

An ER's job is to host events, and do it correctly and smoothly.

You can't say that you're the best ER in 17th at the moment because there's never enough people who play events to test the skills that should be required from a real ER.

 

A Mod's job is to answer ALL ?command messages, not only ?help.

That means that a Mod's job isn't just to sit in pub and watch people, they have to host too, and since they're Mods, they should know everything about how to host it good, so that they can teach the ERs.

 

So I mean, we are hosts, we have guests, we have to work as a team to serve them in the best possible way.

 

If you're on staff for the sole purpose to get respect then you will only get disrespected.

 

Staff should be about giving players what they want.

 

To do that, you need to know what they want.

You need to BE a player and learn everything about the game.

 

As I've said before, most staffers aren't what I would call "real players", they are people who got bored of the game and wanted to do something else in Continuum.

 

But what are we going to do now?

 

Staff is messed up, we're not working effective enough. We need to do something, we need to MOVEEEEEEEE we need some motivation, which most staffers do not have.

[Yupa]

...what the -*BAD WORD*- is up with all the giant signature banners?

[Delic]

IN 17TH PARALLEL EVERYTHING IS BIG AKAI

 

EVEN THE LETTERS

 

HEHEHEHE.

 

But stop going off topic -*BAD WORD*-

[DaKillaRoach]

Ok to Tempest, and I must applaud upon his approach. This is one of the reasons why he is a staff person

 

The !@#$%^&*le Best ER? Well, as you, and alot in 17th know, i'm a -*BAD WORD*-y bugger at the worst possible time, my signature about me being brilliant a obvious example to this, so the !@#$%^&*le Best ER is a little over exagerated, but still, I believe myself to be one of the better ER's in this zone, and one who cares about the players. I hope that clears up the reasoning behind that a little Tempest.

 

Now about this team of ERs. Well I hardly see any ERs on bar naedhaha and Kentai, but anytime ive been on with other ERs they dont seem to take notice. Ive been on at one time with 4 ERs present and not one bothered to answer the call of ?host except myself after they decided to ignore it. Nice teamwork in ignoring I suppose. Now I understand this quote of yours 'If a new ER isn't as proficient as you are, then encourage and help him: don't scorn and pour abuse upon him' except there seems to be a problem here. Yes we have ERs who arent as experianced, yet there have been perfect examples when events have been mucked up, myself and naed have gone to the rescue, offering help (in a nice manner mind you) to have them refuse and the event screwed up that little bit more. Prehaps thats where the bitterness lies Tempest between the ERs? Could have a bonding session heh ^_^

 

And no the ER hosting isnt a compe!@#$%^&*ion, but it seems to be when ERs are racing to host instead of others because they want a promotion because they are 'ashamed' or 'fed up' of their ER tag! How disrespectful can you be by getting powers like that?

 

Now you mention about who is the best ER when? Well from my knowledge most the ERs dont actually talk at all, but then again they dont host. naedhaha likes to play public, he interacts with the players, he has a laugh with them (maybe he is the best ER and I am not? I am willing to take that into consideration) and bragging i'm the best isnt the right thing to do prehaps, but as explained before i'm a humerous and -*BAD WORD*-y person, and well that runs strongly throughout me, thats why you see me doing the things I do when it comes to 'Best ER'.

 

Now the staff greed... I have NO problem with mods doing what they should, in fact THEY SHOULD, but when certain Mods begin to backstab, snitch, and speak about others behind peoples back, create turmoil in the zone, listen in on things which prehaps shouldnt be said but yet shouldnt be listened to either, and are in fact hidden away in private between people, then would you consider it right if they spread this, they blackmail, they exploit, then cover it with good work, and when something goes wrong or not in their favour, run to the nearest upper staffer for support. Well then would you consider that good Tempest? I myself am against people who are like that, and thats where my description of that comes from. The reason being some Mods do this in a bid and hope they will get promoted (and we do have slots open last time I checked) so what better way they feel than sucking up? Maybe its needed but to do in it such a decietful way? Well, its your opinion that counts there.

 

Also I wouldnt consider it unhealthy to despise some people, a bit of hate exists in everyone, and that in my belief makes us individual in our own right. I wouldnt class myself as a hater of people, but I do have a dislike for those who are idiots and fools, cant see that and yet carry on in a selfish manner. That is ignorance, arrogance, and downright bad behaviour and manner, and that is shown by a few staff people.

 

I thank you for your approach to my post. It was worth thought and consideration, and like always; I respect your opinion

 

 

Now addressing Delic's post.

 

Your statement of not being able to say one is the best ER in 17th with few people. With the current population and attendence to the events, I can not see why you could not say it, although I understand it has less meaning compared to a ER in a place like Trench with bigger events and more people attending them.

 

Also the notion about Mods. Yes they do it well, but like me referring to Tempest's post, we have some 'bad apples' in this staff which are in for personal greed in my opinion.

 

And yes mods should teach ERs but I wouldnt class a ER as a person with no experiance in hosting. I would rather keep my !@#$%^&*le of Event Referee than be a Mod because it is events for the people of this zone I want to host for, yet it seems the respect level of staff upon the ERs is low, yet people talk about respect all around in staff. How can that be if everyone looks down upon the ERs who might have more experiance or be better than a Mod? In my thinking prehaps ERs should have the same respect and be treated like those in, although I dread to say it, Trench Wars, where there the staff are more accepting of the ER rank.

 

Now you say about coming on staff for just respect is wrong, I agree upon that, Staff ISNT about respect from other staffers, it helps though yes, but the thing about respect is;

* You need respect from the players. Without that they wont attend events and they wont agree to your hosting

* Respect from the staff encourages and makes people feel better about hosting and being happy around others in staff and pub

You need a equal amount of this 'Respect' to make you feel happy in staff and encourage you prehaps to host for people without much blamming. You need some respect but being staff shouldnt just be about that which one staffer is on for.

 

Now I TOTALLY agree with you Delic on the 'most staffers arent players' passage. Its true, and you find that its only the ERs who really play out of the staff overall, and we have hired some who didnt play anyway. Ive played for a long while, naedhaha played along time in TW before moving to 17th for a little then becoming ER. There are people like yourself Delic who are players, and Tempest= is a common pub player also, and amazingly, we get the best results out of events and things we do because we were once players, and ok we dont play as much now with our staff responsibilities, but we have the insight quite a few dont.

 

Quote from Delic

'Staff is messed up, we're not working effective enough. We need to do something, we need to MOVEEEEEEEE we need some motivation, which most staffers do not have. '

 

In my opinion there seems only a few strict ways of sorting that out and thats removing those who want staff for personal greed or respect, about keeping and hiring those who are here for the players, and for someone, a strong speaker prehaps? or motivator which people believe (like yourself Delic) who will give alot of staff people the push in the positive direction!

 

Hopefully thats answered some of your questions at least, but once again this is still my opinion on the matter. Take what you want as truth or false, and turn it into whatever way you wish. WaRCC has already done that, although I believe in the wrong light, imposing prehaps problems for him later on.

 

-Röach

[Delic]

Remember, I was describing how it should be, not how it is.

 

And now DKR got suspended? Nice going.

 

5:ER>DaKillaRoach> I dunno anymore lol. I post my opinions upon the forum (which i'm allowed to do) and I get a suspension when pern takes it to chat

 

DKR has stated more than once that this is just his opinion, I fail to see what he did that was worth a suspension.

If pern didn't want the discussion in staff chat, THEN SHE NEVER SHOULD'VE STARTED IT.

[NBVegita]

we have one Mod who likes to cover almost every ?help command straight away, he watches and will issue bans with alot of thought, but yet he has this thing where he seems to be TOO over staff like for his position prehaps? He defends all, he likes to be the 'hero' and sort everyones problems out,

See that sounds like one -*BAD WORD*- of a mod to me...

[Delic]

If only he actually existed

[talion]

lol

 

hard to take anything you guys say on this forum seriously when your opponents - real or imagined - don't even trouble to defend themselves.

 

delic i never did like.

dkr seemed to get more on my nerves the more i read what he had to say when i used to be in zone.

 

so maybe it's just me lol. but i can't imagine your average player (of any zone) coming in here and having any reaction but a chuckle or two from reading what you guys have to say.

 

i dont think people become staff in any zone for greed (because as you know having mod powers is a high paying position that forms the bulk of the income of the average middle class family). if it makes you comfortable to say that "abcxyz" person is in it for the power of being able to impose their whim on a free game, go ahead. subspace though is not a democracy. get used to it.

 

ah why do i bother, the people who need to read this will just see me as another staffer who abused and was in it for the power anyways. gg me!

 

/lol

[Yupa]

I like boobies

[tablet]

It seems the staff we gain today have less knowledge than the players themselves.

 

Hmm, a very far-fetched statement, but I do kind of see the point you are trying to make. Some, not mentioning any names, seem to take things a little slow when hired. But hey, that's the reason we hire new staffers as ER's, because its a learning process. You are required to have a general knowledge of the game when hired, but you are not required to know every event like the back of your hand. You are not even required to know any commands at all.

 

We have ER's asking what ER means!

 

Hmm, exagerated remark I think. I have never run across a staffer who didn't know what ER stood for. I have run across players who didn't know what ER stood for, so I think you may have confused yourself.

 

We have Smods and above not knowing the ?find command properly, and seeming to not understand what half the commands were when they were players yet were hand picked by Pernille to become staffers, and are only just learning what its like to become a player!

 

LoL.... honestly, that first part made me laugh. If you're referring to the some ship situation earlier today, than you have mistaken yourself, because some ship isnt an Smod nor a Sysop. So this swings back to an earlier quote of yours, about the knowledge of staffers. Seems you tagged yourself on this one, not knowing who the upper staffers are after being an ER how long? On a side note you seem to be flaming staff for unknown reasons other than "not knowing ?find command". If you could given further insight on upper staff it would be greatly appreciated. If not it just makes you look jealous that the people above you are not like you, and don't share your ideals. This goes to a comment maka made about you saying Hitler was a great man or w/e, you seem to share an ideal of his. Hate and flame everyone not like you.

 

This made me remember one quote someone said about staff people are players who suck and think by becoming staff they dont need skill.

 

Now are you referring to skill as a player or skill as a staffer? I'll give an answer to each scenerio:

 

Skill as a player: There are not many and haven't been many staffers who excell both as a staffer and a player. Staff takes time when you go beyond ER and Mod. As many of you know Upper Staff is criticized for not playing much and sitting in spec. Well folks whether you like it or not there's a reason. Upper Staff is constantly involved in things "behind the scenes". Though we may not play or host, we are always busy doing things for the zone that many of you don't know about. Staff is a busy life, and it takes away from playing time, so no, those who choose to be staff may not care if they are good as players, and it doesn't matter.

 

Skill as staffer: Whoever told you is either a re-*BAD WORD*-ed eskimo or got hired as a staffer and did nothing, and got mad after being fired for doing nothing but taking up space on modlist.

 

Well by the looks of it, they dont have the skill, nor the knowledge of a new player when it comes to a basic understand of this game.

 

Umm, if you notice on our staff application it asks how long you have played 17th. We don't hire 10 day newbs, you have to have played the zone for atleast some time to know the pub and arena's etc. Plus we as a staff don't hire people who don't know anything, although I'm starting to concider you a mistake.

 

Sorry but thats how I feel most of the Smods and above are, unless of course they have been a staffer so long they forgot these basic commands?

 

Confused here, you managed to blame upper staff for knowing nothing and "forgetting commands" yet you have not stated any relevant facts to back up your flaming. If you would please state things which may have caused these thoughts about Upper Staff than I would love to read them, whether they are true or not. Otherwise we're going back to maka's Hitler statement.

 

You seem to not like most of staff at all, unless of course they are good "in your eyes" and share your ideals on the zone. You are acting very much like Hitler and I will give examples.

 

Hitler wanted the entire Jewish race destroyed, and why? well it goes alot deeper but basically they weren't what he thought was a good race, because they didn't fit his ideals as a human. So what did he do? He built an army out to destroy them, because he didn't like them. You are going out to flame staff and destroy us, and why? Because we don't share your ideals and basically because of that, you don't like us. Those "good mods" you listed must have graced your good side otherwise they'd be on the end of your flaming as well. Face it, you want staffers gone because A> They don't agree with you B> They aren't like you and C> You can't handle those facts

 

I have something interesting to post, something that you said the other day which made you look bad.

 

2:tablet> EO and Dire did ALOT for 17th back in the day

2:Delic> LOL. Enter did alot too

2:Delic> so did Fujin Frost, he created rumble

2:tablet> true, fujin and enter did do alot

2:ER>DakillaRoach> I hate Fujin then

2:Delic> why do you hate Fujin?

2:tablet> wtf? why?

2:ER>DakillaRoach> because he created rumble, and I hate rumble.

2:Delic> rofl

2:tablet> daka, why do you hate rumble?

2:ER>DakillaRoach> because it involves the jav. and the jav is a skillless ship, and it makes me lag. no other ship makes me lag like the jav does. so i hate everything having to do with the jav

2:Delic> rofl

2:tablet> how does the jav make you lag more than any other ship? is that even possible?

 

And that's the point in which i'll stop pasting, because the rest is irrelevant. I got my point across and I think roach is conceited and hateful of everything that deals with the jav because he can't play it very well, not because of some -*BAD WORD*- lag. I have never heard of anyone lag more in one ship than another. Whatever roach doesn't like he flames and hates. This is very childish and selfish and really not what a staffer, who quote "is here for YOU!", should be like.

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This made me remember one quote someone said about staff people are players who suck and think by becoming staff they dont need skill.

 

Now are you referring to skill as a player or skill as a staffer? I'll give an answer to each scenerio:

 

Skill as a player: There are not many and haven't been many staffers who excell both as a staffer and a player. Staff takes time when you go beyond ER and Mod. As many of you know Upper Staff is criticized for not playing much and sitting in spec. Well folks whether you like it or not there's a reason. Upper Staff is constantly involved in things "behind the scenes". Though we may not play or host, we are always busy doing things for the zone that many of you don't know about. Staff is a busy life, and it takes away from playing time, so no, those who choose to be staff may not care if they are good as players, and it doesn't matter.

 

Skill as staffer: Whoever told you is either a re-*BAD WORD*-ed eskimo or got hired as a staffer and did nothing, and got mad after being fired for doing nothing but taking up space on modlist.

I have a comment on this.

 

In my 2 years of staff, I still played intensively. I hosted rumbles and played in them at the same time, but since the arrival of the Bot, this isn't possible anymore. Silly though, because rumble always has been a great event to learn how to host. Anyway, I have played league during my time on Staff and I have been in some good squads (Covert-Ops, Seraphim) so DKR, don't say stupid things like that. Blue is right.