PriitK projects (Split from idea thread)

[Avast]

Well seems like anything Priit worked with was a failure. What other projects besides subspace and Kazaa are credited to him?

[PoLiX]

Quite a few old projects and games, a p2p backbone, and skype. Dunno what else, never have dug up. Skype made him all his money.

[DarkFears]

Ya it wasnt so much the application kazaa itself, it was the P2P backbone, and with skype obviously it hasn't failed, microsoft just bought it for a tidy sum a few months ago.

[Samapico]

Well seems like anything Priit worked with was a failure. What other projects besides subspace and Kazaa are credited to him?

You're saying KaZaa is/was a failure? AFAIK, that thing made a couple of people pretty rich... possibly including Priitk.

[Avast]

I dont term success with short term riches. Or even money at all. I mean the fact that it failed after is a sign that those people just wanted to get rich quick, and then move on to other things. They had no care for the actual project. This is my definition of failure. People who care for their product, become Google. Or Steve Jobs. People who don't become Priitk, with a little wikie article, and some credits to some dead apps.

 

The only success so far is Skype, but the continuing success of Skype probably has nothing to do with Priitk.

[PoLiX]

Actually he is still one of the lead developers iirc.

[»Lynx]

Actually he is still one of the lead developers iirc.

 

I don't think Priit has been involved in Skype since 2005. Perhaps contractually but he needn't bother with ASI which has some ~50mln in liquid assets and likely the biggest VC in Estonia.

 

The only success so far is Skype, but the continuing success of Skype probably has nothing to do with Priitk.

 

Surprise surprise, Avast misses the nail. Again.

Edited December 24, 2011 by Lynx

[Avast]

Thats a broad assumption if ever there was one. Unless your stalking him, or he is in forbes top 100 list. Or unless you have documents from Estonia detailing his assets. Then there is no way you could know what he has. You are full of hot air. If your going to be like that, then i can be the same, Priit Kasesalu is actually bankrupt and living with his friend Jaan on the sofa. Prit told me himself over the phone.

 

First my argument was that the majority of things Priitk touched have failed. So what he earns, what he drives, what house he has, etc is irrelevent. These are not the criteria for success that i care about. Kazzaa failed. Subspace is failing. His projects have not been a success, and that's all.

[»Lynx]

Thats a broad assumption if ever there was one. Unless your stalking him, or he is in forbes top 100 list. Or unless you have documents from Estonia detailing his assets. Then there is no way you could know what he has. You are full of hot air. If your going to be like that, then i can be the same, Priit Kasesalu is actually bankrupt and living with his friend Jaan on the sofa. Prit told me himself over the phone.

 

Bloomberg, kid.

 

First my argument was that the majority of things Priitk touched have failed. So what he earns, what he drives, what house he has, etc is irrelevent. These are not the criteria for success that i care about. Kazzaa failed. Subspace is failing. His projects have not been a success, and that's all.

• KaZaa didn't fail.
  
• Subspace is nothing to do with Priit.
  
• Continuum done amazingly, considering.
  
• Skype is the leader in VoIP.
  
• ASI is the largest (if not one of the largest) VC(s) in Estonia.
  

That's just the stuff I can directly figure out without much research. At all. Seriously, child - go elsewhere and be dumb.

 

P.s. I'm done sidetracking this thread by acknowledging you.

Edited December 24, 2011 by Lynx

[Avast]

Kazaa failed. No one uses Kazaa, no one even uses Limewire. No one even used Bearshare.

 

Most people now use three things.

1.Youtube downloader

2. Itunes.

3. Torrents

 

No one wants Kazaa

1. Filled with adds

2. Horrible resource hog

3. Filled with viruses

4. Slow downloads.

5. Can't find half the songs you want

 

Subspace is failing. This was enough to get the meaning across. Cherry pick more. If subspace is failing so will everything that came after it. Continuum.

 

It's successor Cosmic Rift failed. Showing that even a better client fails. So why would Priitk's version be any different?

 

Priitk has nothing to do with skype being a success. But no one is arguing its not a success.

 

And I don't care what Priitk owns. This has nothing to do with everything he touches failing. Skype was failing, thats why he sold it.

[Cheese]

Prit told me himself over the phone.

 

lol'd

[Dav]

Kazaa failed. No one uses Kazaa, no one even uses Limewire. No one even used Bearshare.

 

Most people now use three things.

1.Youtube downloader

2. Itunes.

3. Torrents

 

No one wants Kazaa

1. Filled with adds

2. Horrible resource hog

3. Filled with viruses

4. Slow downloads.

5. Can't find half the songs you want

 

Subspace is failing. This was enough to get the meaning across. Cherry pick more. If subspace is failing so will everything that came after it. Continuum.

 

It's successor Cosmic Rift failed. Showing that even a better client fails. So why would Priitk's version be any different?

 

Priitk has nothing to do with skype being a success. But no one is arguing its not a success.

 

And I don't care what Priitk owns. This has nothing to do with everything he touches failing. Skype was failing, thats why he sold it.

 

Kazzaa was very sucsessful at the time. You cant base wheather something was a faliure based on current usage, By the same logic you would have to regard music records a faliure.

[DarkFears]

Kazaa failed. No one uses Kazaa, no one even uses Limewire. No one even used Bearshare.

 

Most people now use three things.

1.Youtube downloader

2. Itunes.

3. Torrents

 

4. Usenet - Most everyone I know uses this, granted they are more advanced users

5. FTP rings - Still alive and kicking, though they aren't really advertised in any way and you usually have to be invited

 

Alot of people do use Limewire... but it seems to suck no matter how many people use it, so full of junk files and viri (for you windoze people anyways) the days of Napster and programs like cutemx were the height of p2p clients such as these.

[»Axe Demento]

Just to be a bastage

I really liked bearshare. comeon that teddy bear pic was great!!

 

until they killed the original version with 2 much adware. Ads should be avalible just off to the side. Maybe we need some billboards on the outside of the chaos map.

after all a fly around the outside of the map with a few pics of advertising the services/companys of the players inside I Like iT!!

 

 

 

...Axe

[»Xog]

http://www.bluemoon....riit/index.html

http://www.bluemoon.ee/team/index.html

http://www.bluemoon.ee/bluemoon/expertise.html

http://www.bluemoon....moon/index.html

 

priit currently: http://asi.ee/team/priit-kasesalu

 

http://asi.ee/portfolio

 

anything else you want to slam him for failing?

 

29 November 2011

Senseg named to Time Magazine's ’50 Best Inventors’ list

 

HELSINKI and CUPERTINO, CA – Senseg, the leader in next-generation haptic technology, today announced that it has been named to Time Magazine’s ’50 Best Inventions’ list in the magazine’s November 28^th issue. Senseg’s patented technology enables users of touchscreen devices such as tablet computers to feel tactile sensations on their skin, including textured surfaces, contours and edges. The company’s technology can be integrated into touch interface devices to deliver a new dimension of interactive experiences.

17 October 2011

Wahanda raised a £3.5 million series A funding from Fidelity Growth Partners Europe

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15 June 2011

Gartner names Senseg as Cool Vendor 2011

HELSINKI, TOKYO, June 15, 2011. Senseg, an industry leader in innovative touchscreen interface solutions, has been awarded the prestigious title of Cool Vendor by world-leading analyst firm Gartner. Vendors selected for inclusion in the Cool Vendor report are providers that ‘have caught Gartner's interest during the past year because they offer innovative and intriguing technologies or solutions’.

27 May 2011

ASI sells its Share in Russian Software Developer

 

TALLINN, May 27, 2011 - Ambient Sound Investments has sold its minority stake in LogneX, a Moscow-based developer of web-based inventory management software for Russian small- and medium-sized enterprises. The investment generated positive return for ASI.

05 January 2011

The Merger of Oskando and Track24 Creates the Leading GPS Tracking Provider in Estonia

 

Tallinn, Estonia - January 5, 2011 - Oskando OÜ was the first Estonian company to start developing telematics solutions. It has now acquired a 100% holding in the company Track24 Group OÜ which provides remote vehicle tracking services.

20 November 2010

Wahanda named Best Commerce Startup at the 2010 Techcrunch Europas

 

London - November 20, 2010 – Wahanda won the prize of Techcrunch Europa Best Commerce Startup. Techcrunch Europas is a series of awards to honour European web and mobile startup companies.

18 November 2010

GuardTime Winner of Red Herring 2010 Top Asia Award

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15 November 2010

GuardTime and Joyent Introduce Enhanced Trust and Integrity in the Cloud

Singapore and San Francisco, CA—November 15, 2010— Joyent, a leading global provider of cloud computing solutions, andGuardTime, creator of the patented Keyless Signature^™ technology used to validate the world’s data, today announced a partnership that delivers unprecedented security enabling enterprises to safeguard some of their most valuable assets in the cloud: code, logs and data.

27 October 2010

Modesat Communications raised EUR 1,85M in series A funding

 

Tallinn, Estonia - October 27, 2010 – Ambient Sound Investments, Estonian Development Fund and Bellus invested altogether 1,85 million Euros into ASI’s portfolio company Modesat.

18 August 2010

Mendeley Hires Spotify’s Paul Brown as Chief Operating Officer

 

LONDON – August 18, 2010 – Mendeley, a rapidly growing media technology startup that provides the world’s largest research collaboration platform, is delighted to announce that Paul Brown will join the team as Chief Operating Officer, a newly created position, effective September 6, 2010. He comes to Mendeley from Spotify, a startup that is making waves in the digital music industry, where he most recently served as Senior Vice President of Strategic Partnerships.

27 May 2010

ASI to judge at Innovate!2010 Pitch Slam in Tallinn

ASI is excited to have partnered with Guidewire Group on the Innovate!2010 Pitch Slam for Tallinn on June 2.

25 May 2010

GuardTime Raises $8 Million in Series A Funding

MOUNTAIN VIEW, SINGAPORE, TALLINN (May 25, 2010) — GuardTime, the provable integrity company, today announced that it raised $8 million in series A funding to help roll out its global infrastructure for delivering its provable data integrity service.

20 May 2010

Blip.tv raises $10.1 million in funding

New York NY - May 19, 2010 -- Next generation television network blip.tv today announced the closing of its third round of institutional capital, led by Canaan Partners and existing investors Bain Capital Ventures. The company will use its new funding to accelerate the growth of the independent Web shows that blip.tv hosts and distributes, expand its content services team, continue to grow its international advertising sales force and develop new products for viewers and producers.

14 April 2010

Rendering Accelerator Progeniq Receives Series A Financing

 

April 12th, 2010 – Sunnyvale, CA / Singapore – Progeniq, a leading provider of acceleration solutions for the animations and visual effects industries, today announced the closing of its Series A financing round led by BAF Spectrum, Ambient Sound Investments and SPRING SEEDS Capital. William Klippgen, Executive Director of BAF Spectrum and Indrek Jaaska, Investment Manager, will both join the board of directors. William Klippgen will take on the role as Executive Chairman. Mr. Klippgen was the co-founder of European internet success Kelkoo.com and has a wide-ranging experience from emerging technology companies in Europe and Asia.

03 December 2009

targetAPI Launches Next-Generation Behavioral Targeting Solution

 

New York, New York – December 2, 2009 – targetAPI, an incubator project of investment company Ambient Sound Investments, has launched its next-generation business-to-business behavioral targeting solution. The service, available through an API (Application Programming Interface), is based on the company‟s predictive personalization technology. targetAPI‟s solution predicts a user's interests in real time through an automated semantic analysis of publicly available information on the web, requiring minimal or no input from the user.

16 June 2009

Armorize Technologies Secures Financing For Worldwide Business Development

 

Tallinn, Estonia, Santa Clara CA, USA, Taipei Taiwan, 16 June 2009 -- Leading Web application security provider Armorize Technologies has secured Up-Round Series-B financing. High profile investors include European Ambient Sound Investments (ASI), Pacific-Rim focused Birch Venture Capital, and Silicon-Valley based Armorize Series-A investors. The Series-B funds will drive business development, sales and marketing efforts worldwide.

12 June 2009

United Dogs secures 480 000 EUR funding for expansion

 

Tallinn, Estonia --12 June 2009 -- Makers of Uniteddogs and Unitedcats, the Estonia-based United Dogs and Cats Ltd (UDC), received an investment of 480 000 EUR. The investment was made jointly by 3 parties – the state-owned Estonian Development Fund, Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) - an investment group led by the founding engineers of Skype, and a private entrepreneur with a web background in the Baltic region, Mr Raivo Hein.

05 June 2009

DailyPerfect Launches Predictive News Site

Tallinn, Estonia – June 5, 2009 – DailyPerfect, an incubator project of investment company Ambient Sound Investments, has launched its flagship news service Dailyperfect.com. The service is based on the company’s predictive personalization technology and showcases an innovative behavioral targeting solution that predicts a user's interests through an automated semantic analysis of publicly available information on the web, requiring minimal or no input from the user.

05 May 2009

ASI invests in Kublax, the online platform for personal money management

 

Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) has announced its investment in Kublax, a free and secure online tool for personal money management. Following a successful beta test period, Kublax today announced its official launch backed by additional funding from major online investors, and the appointment of a new CEO, Tom Symonds.

26 February 2009

Research Collaboration Start-up Mendeley Closes Financing Round

London, February 26, 2009 – Mendeley, a developer of a groundbreaking free platform for managing and sharing research papers, today announced it has closed its first financing round led by former Last.fm Executive Chairman Stefan Glänzer, former Executive Vice President of Digital Strategy and Business Development for Warner Music Group, Alejandro (Alex) Zubillaga, and ASI.

09 December 2008

Idapted Secures Funding from Gobi Partners, ASI and Leading Angel Investors

 

Beijing, December 1, 2008 – Idapted Ltd., a leading provider of live on-demand Mandarin and English language training, today announced the closing of its Series A financing with Gobi Partners and Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) leading the round.

01 October 2008

Unique Beauty, Spa and Wellness Website Opened by Wahanda

London, October 1 2008 – October sees the launch of a revolutionary new health, beauty and wellbeing website Wahanda. Until now, there hasn’t been a site where consumers can connect with such a wide range of spas, salons, fitness centres and therapists, discover the latest treatments, be inspired by community ratings and reviews, and find the ultimate pamper experience all on one fresh, clean and easy-to-use website.

25 September 2008

ASI Exits Kindo to Become a Shareholder in MyHeritage

 

Tallinn, Estonia and London, England – September 24, 2008 – Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) reached its first exit deal when MyHeritage, one of the world's most popular family websites, acquired Kindo, an ASI portfolio company that helps users build free family trees. As a result of an all-stock arrangement, ASI is to obtain an undisclosed equity stake in MyHeritage.

03 September 2008

Former Energy Executive Joins ASI as Head of Private Equity Investments

TALLINN, September 3, 2008 – Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) has hired Margus Uudam, the former CEO of the electricity distribution arm of Estonia’s energy utility, to head its private equity investments. In his new position, Uudam will build a strong international investment team that will manage ASI’s investments in the technology sector and other areas.

11 August 2008

ASI Backs Handheld Component Maker AirDio with 200,000 Euros

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22 July 2008

Veteran executive takes helm of Modesat

Tallinn, 22 July 2008 – Peep Põldsamm, an entrepreneur and executive with longstanding experience, has become the new CEO of Modesat, a technology firm exploring new wireless communications technologies. Modesat’s core investor is Ambient Sound Investments (ASI), an investment firm owned by the Estonian co-founders of Skype.

11 July 2008

ASI invested in Wahanda, an online wellness ecosystem

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26 June 2008

ASI Invests In Drimki to Revolutionize the Online Property Marketplace

Tallinn, June 26, 2008 – Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) announces its seed investment in Drimki, a Paris-based company with a new online real estate platform targeted at residential real estate consumers and sellers. The amount of the investment is not disclosed.

19 May 2008

ASI Invests in Senseg’s New Touch Interface Technology

Helsinki, May 19, 2008 – The investment groups Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) and Seed Fund Vera make an equity investment in Senseg, a Finnish company developing a breakthrough touch interface technology. The sum of the investment remains undisclosed.

24 April 2008

Skype and Rate.ee co-founders invest in programmer performance metrics inventors

Tallinn, April 24, 2008 – SourceKibitzer, a start-up that has invented unique metrics and performance indicators for software teams, will receive an investment of 200,000 EUR from Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) and Serenda Estonia.

15 April 2008

Pet Owner’s Social Network Secures Additional Funding from ASI

Tallinn, April 16, 2008 – The social networking websites for pet owners Uniteddogs.com and Unitedcats.com receive additional 235,000 USD to expand the reach of the service from the investment group Ambient Sound Investments (ASI), the investment group established by the co-founding engineers of Skype.

17 March 2008

ASI Invests in Online Scientific Publisher Versita

Warsaw, March 17, 2008 – The investment group Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) has announced a 400000 Euro investment in an online publisher Versita. The fast growing Polish venture is seeking to become the leading scientific online publisher and electronic publishing technology provider in Central and Eastern Europe.

20 February 2008

ASI to invest in Russian E-warehouse Service LogneX

Tallinn, February 20, 2008 – The investment group Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) has acquired shares in a Russian company LogneX that will introduce an online inventory management service MoySklad to small and medium businesses in Russia and other Russian speaking countries.

07 February 2008

Kindo Secures Additional Seed Funding From Skype's Founding Engineers

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06 February 2008

Flowplay secures funding from Intel Capital, Ambient Sound Investments and leading angel investors

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30 January 2008

ASI invests in clinical research company EGeen

Tallinn, January 30, 2008 – The investment group Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) has acquired a stake in EGeen – a clinical research company that conducts clinical trials of drugs for American and European clients.

24 October 2007

Oskando aquires a significant share in software development company Median SD

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17 October 2007

Pet owners’ social networking sites funded by Skype Co-Founders

Tallinn, October 18, 2007 – Social networking websites for pet owners Uniteddogs.com and Unitedcats.com receive funding from Ambient Sound Investments (ASI), the investment group established by the co-founding engineers of Skype. Also the launch of four new language versions of both websites is announced.

05 June 2007

Blip.tv Closes Second Round of Funding Led by Skype Founders’ VC Fund

New York, NY - June 5, 2007 - Blip.tv, the video sharing site focused on independently produced shows, today announces the closing of its series B financing and its first venture capital investors. The round was led by Ambient Sound Investments (ASI), the venture capital fund established by the four founding engineers of Skype.

28 May 2007

Skype co-founders invest in Asian 3D social networking company

HONG KONG May 28, 2007 – Ambient Sound Investments (ASI), established by the four co-founding engineers of internet telephony software company Skype, will acquire a stake as part of a Series A funding round in 3D social networking company Frenzoo, to bring to market an exciting new online experience across the region.

10 May 2007

ASI and other investors back GuardTime with 1,35 MUSD

Tallinn, May 10, 2007 – Ambient Sound Investments (ASI), the investment group established by four founding engineers of Skype leads the second investment round to Estonian-based digital stamp service developer GuardTime after establishing the company with experienced Estonian information security experts in October 2006.

26 March 2007

Oskando acquires 20% position in Eurosat Group

TALLINN, March 26 2007 – Telematics company Oskando announces its first technology investment, acquiring a 20 percent stake in GPS solutions provider Eurosat Group, an Estonian company with over a hundred business clients.

10 January 2007

Celecure Receives 1.6MEUR from four founders of Skype

Tallinn, January 10, 2007 – Investment group Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) has agreed to invest 1.6 million euros in Estonian biotechnology drug developer Celecure to accelerate the international breakthrough of its projects.

19 December 2006

ASI Acquires a Stake in E-purchasing System MarkIT

Tallinn, Estonia. December 19, 2006 – Investment Group Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) has agreed to invest 2 million Euros in an Estonian IT company MarkIT to fuel the development of their novel e-purchasing system and expansion to five new Central and Eastern European markets.

27 November 2006

Ülle Kivirähk joins Oskando

TALLINN, November 27, 2006 – Starting from next year the former Managing Director of Ordi Ülle Kivirähk will take up the position of CEO at Oskando. Current CEO Indrek Hirvlaan will remain responsible for product development and partnership relations.

06 November 2006

ASI Launches Estonian Instrumentation Company to the Global Market

Tallinn, November 7, 2006 – Investment Group Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) invests 1,5 million EEK to take Estonian manufacturer of electronic measurement instruments Evikon MCI to the global market. Evikon MCI develops sensor-based measurement devices and systems with a growing demand in the international market.

10 October 2006

ASI invests in developing time stamp technology

Tallinn, October 30, 2006 – Experienced Estonian information security experts Märt Saarepera, Ahto Buldas and Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) established a joint company GuardTime which will develop technology for checking the data and date integrity of digitally archived content.

18 July 2006

Lithuanian Telemetry Start-up Attracts Investment, Announces Partnership

VILNIUS, LITHUANIA, July 18, 2006 – Two Estonian investment groups have purchased a majority stake in Connecty, a Lithuanian start-up that provides remote monitoring and control solutions, for an undisclosed sum.

23 May 2006

ASI Buys Stake in Modesat Communications

TALLINN, May 23, 2006 – The Ambient Sound Investments group has invested 500,000 euros to buy a third of Modesat Communications, an Estonian developer of radio communications technology. When commercialized, Modesat’s research will help improve the energy efficiency of communications devices while increasing their effective bandwidth and coverage area.

10 April 2006

ASI aquires majority stake in Estonian telematics firm

TALLINN, April 10, 2006 – Estonian investment group Ambient Sound Investments has announced its second technology investment, purchasing a 42 percent stake in Oskando, a Tallinn-based telematics solutions provider. Combined with ASI founders’ previous presence in Oskando, the 200,000 euro deal brings ASI’s stake to 57 percent.

23 March 2006

ASI invests in semiconductor maker

TALLINN, March 27, 2006 – Estonian investment firm Ambient Sound Investments (ASI) has announced a $2 million injection in Clifton, an Estonian start-up which plans to mass-produce heat-resistant low-cost semiconductor switches for the electronics industry.

Edited December 28, 2011 by Xog

[DarkFears]

...lol...

[Static Burn]

According to: http://leht.aripaev.ee/?PublicationId=464dc490-fb94-4024-9b75-258ddc8543a9&articleid=29464&paperid=DF455B20-01AB-4A27-B53D-593A088A7CD1

 

PriitK is the 62nd richest person in Estonia. I believe it also says he was worth 416 million krones. Estonia started using the Euro last year with a conversion rate of 15.65 krones per 1 euro. 416 million divided by 15.65 converts to 26.58 million euros. That converts to 34.73 million U.S. dollars.

[Cheese]

avast gets owned yet again

[Avast]

Well seems like anything Priit worked with was a failure. What other projects besides subspace and Kazaa are credited to him?

 

Priit being a success or failure was never the argument. Everything stated about him was already obvious, and well known.

 

I dont term success with short term riches. Or even money at all. I mean the fact that it failed after is a sign that those people just wanted to get rich quick, and then move on to other things. They had no care for the actual project. This is my definition of failure. People who care for their product, become Google. Or Steve Jobs. People who don't become Priitk, with a little wikie article, and some credits to some dead apps.

 

The only success so far is Skype, but the continuing success of Skype probably has nothing to do with Priitk.

 

I never disagreed Skype was a success. I just don't think it's continuing success is due to Priitk's involvement, considering Microsoft owns it now. Which means its success can't be attributed to him if he let it go.

 

First my argument was that the majority of things Priitk touched have failed. So what he earns, what he drives, what house he has, etc is irrelevent. These are not the criteria for success that i care about. Kazzaa failed. Subspace is failing. His projects have not been a success, and that's all.

 

Kazaa and Subspace failed. That's all there is to it.

 

You can post about his company all day. But these hardly mean anything about an individual. First of all his company is founded by Jaan, and various other founders. He has always followed Jaans lead. And has been more of a follower. Saying I am the best because my squad is the best is similar to the retarded logic you are using here. You are not good because your squad is undefeatable. You individually can suck. What makes the success is a combination of players.

 

So therefore even in your exampls, if we were talking about Priitk, all you proved is that a bunch of people and a company have found minimal success. Yes in the world of business 37 million is nothing. As well I have no idea if this money is in assets or actual profit. Because if it's the company worth, then it means the Name of his company is a success and not even him. Since he can't just take 37 million and go.

 

And yes I got owned on the argument I never made. Because the majority of you can't read, and can't defeat my real argument. So you make a Straw Man Fallacy.

 

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

 

Oh damn I just made you all smarter. Perhaps you can attempt to take on the troll god with your new found knowledge.

[Avast]

P.S and that article doesn't say hes the 62nd richest, or that he made 416 krones Edited December 28, 2011 by Avast

[»Lynx]

I dont term success with short term riches. Or even money at all.

 

How about pioneering P2P communication, allowing for a more decentralised internet (how the internet should be).

 

avast gets owned yet again

 

Now we just wait for the `But I am troll queen` excuse.

[Resol]

I think Avast did this review, and now you know why he's mad a priit.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=925Wk85i-Yw

Edited December 28, 2011 by Resol

[»Xog]

I absolutely do not believe Kazaa or subspace was a failure. What makes you think that? Because Kazaa went through a lawsuit and was taken down by government laws? Because the dwindling population in subspace is attributed to Priit in what way shape or form? Priit was not the one who made the game, get that straight. And your argument defeats itself when you say:

 

"You can post about his company all day. But these hardly mean anything about an individual. First of all his company is founded by Jaan, and various other founders. He has always followed Jaans lead. And has been more of a follower. Saying I am the best because my squad is the best is similar to the retarded logic you are using here. You are not good because your squad is undefeatable. You individually can suck. What makes the success is a combination of players."

 

And guess what makes a success as well? A company, a combination of people. So your statement defeats itself. And, just because a person "follows" a teammate does not make him a follower. They are a team. They work together.

 

 

"Well seems like anything Priit worked with was a failure"

 

Really? Did you even see the post I made?

 

"Priit being a success or failure was never the argument."

Then why are you defending the accusation in the very same post?:

"You can post about his company all day. But these hardly mean anything about an individual. "

 

 

"First of all his company is founded by Jaan, and various other founders. He has always followed Jaans lead. And has been more of a follower. Saying I am the best because my squad is the best is similar to the retarded logic you are using here. You are not good because your squad is undefeatable. You individually can suck. What makes the success is a combination of players.

 

What was the point in fingering that little part out? Trying to get a jab in at priit? You're not even arguing anything, you're just stating random things.

 

Also, to defend priit in your joust on jaan - if you worked along side someone your whole career, why would you split up if everything made sense? Priit makes money with Jaan. Jaan, Priit and others have a history together as a team, and they continue to make money. What exactly is your argument? It makes perfect sense. What they're doing is called being smart and productive.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Xog

[»Xog]

"Well seems like anything Priit worked with was a failure. What other projects besides subspace and Kazaa are credited to him? "

 

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"And I don't care what Priitk owns. This has nothing to do with everything he touches failing. Skype was failing, thats why he sold it. "

 

OK - I originally ended this post right there. But I'd also like to point out how much of an idiot you are. If you made a revolutionary program, and was offered a contract for $X Million, and CONTINUE to be paid to develop for it, would you "sell" it too?

 

Avast, you have absolutely no idea how the business world works. If no company ever came around to Priit (I believe it was initially MSN), Skype would be nowhere right now. What would be the point in even developing it then? You don't know what goes through Priit's developmental process. He probably planned the whole thing - Make a great thing, then make money from it. I mean, it's not too hard to understand. Or would you rather try to market it by yourself with a huge chance of just blowing your money into the wind?

Edited December 29, 2011 by Xog

[Avast]

If he would have blown his money into the wind trying to market Skype himself, then we can see by that statement how much of a success Priit really is. I think if his product was really good and revelotionary it would have spoken for itself. But instead he sold it in order to take the product further, because it was the only way he could make money off of it.