Banned -nn

[PlayWolf]

lol@him

See now, this nn guy I won't say he fully deserved a permanent ban, but I don't think it is possible to fully keep him away; I mean, he could move to another IP with another name or such.

[spidernl]

I think second guessing Polix' actions here is a little silly if you don't know all the facts.

[Corey]

I think second guessing Polix' actions here is a little silly if you don't know all the facts.

[Avast]

As a general assumption.

 

1. If he can't unban, then he doesn't even know how to use or get those exploits himself. (see 4)

2. If he had enough knowledge to get the exploits himself, but not enough knowledge to unban, then the exploits were very simple and anyone with general computer knowledge can figure it out.

3. If 2, is applicable, then banning him for your mistake of leaving such a big security hole is detrimental. Just fix the problem, then unban him and it will go away completely.

4. If 1, is applicable, then it means someone else with technical knowledge told him of everything. (see 5)

5. If 4, is applicable, then it means the real "hacker" will just tell someone else how to do it, and the problem will persist.

 

Solution keep him banned until you fix the problem/exploit. Then unban him. If you can't fix the exploit then you run into a paradox, where it was actually a hard exploit to achieve, and thus why it can't be fixed? And so he was so smart to achieve this, then why can't he unban?

Edited August 26, 2011 by Avast

[Swift Warrior]

So why is the discussion here if it has nothing to do with hyperspace?

[PoLiX]

There is actually a type of ban that can be set network wide by a lvl0 bang op that is RARELY ever set that will catch pretty much anyone. There is no bypassing the ban with the normal methods, so it takes some good effort and knowledge to get around.

 

I can't tell much more about the ban, nor will post the evidence outside of the bang website as it shows many of the exploits of the biller, & TW websites.

 

As to why this is posted here, dunno. Guess tetris- was hiding in HS under the name NN.

[Avast]

But polix there was more than one person who saw the evidence right? If it's a yes, then we know the more people involved, the more likely its true.

Not that you would lie even if it was just you who saw the evidence. I speak in general, and only use this situation and you as a hypothetical.

Edited August 27, 2011 by Avast

[PoLiX]

MikeTheNose & Hoch saw it initially, and Spacehiker could see it now if he wanted. He was also sent the exploits list.

[spidernl]

Solution keep him banned until you fix the problem/exploit.

 

That'd be a ridiculous way to deal with someone who exploits. A ban isn't purely a method to prevent the player from exploiting (during his ban). It's also punishment that shows the player using the exploits that doing so is by no means allowed and has its consequences (and hopefully prevent others from doing the same thing).

 

Edit: Also, many of the exploits in Subspace/Continuum are likely not fixable due to the client being closed source. I don't know if that's the case here, but still. Even if an exploit is easy, fixing it might not be.

Closed this topic - network ban disputes really don't have a place in Hyperspace's forums, even if it's the trash talk forums.

Edited August 27, 2011 by spidernl