Zones?

[Avast]

I heard you can't use tiles from other zones, or maps? What kind of joke is this. Some self righteous subspace council, you all own zones, talk about how subspace is free because you have the freedom to create anything you want. And then because you are zone owners you get together on a subspace council and blacklist people for doing just that? Wow are we 25 yet? Or still 14?

 

Don't be like Hoch and say something stupid. Do you know what Hoch had in his Development rules. DSB Staff wrote on an actual document, which is given to everyone in the DEV team that anything uploaded on the server is property of Hoch and DSB. Regardless if it becomes mainstream or is never used, and regardless if you the actual creator spent 1 year making it, or put all your talent and design into it. It's suddenly not yours anymore. What a joke.

 

And anyone who enforces anything similar is equally a joke.

 

Tiles, graphics, should be distributed freely among zones, one zone should be able to take tiles and edit them from another zone, or even use parts of that tileset. It's not a big deal. Especially when zones like EG are making a new tileset every other month. THIS should actually be PROMOTED, ENCOURAGED, AND GENERALLY A LOVED IDEA. If you knew anything about marketing you would know why. It's because the more an idea is stolen, the more it forces people to keep creating ideas, and making new tilesets. Pretty soon SUBSPACE would have so many tilesets, even if every zone stole one, they would all be unique. Competition sparks creativity. But if you start enforcing rules, embargo's, blockades, then suddenly subspace itself becomes a stagnant piece of crap. Which is currently what is happening.

 

And maybe you should watch this video before you take time to reply to this post.

http://www.wimp.com/freeculture/

 

Secondly maps? Really? I made my map in dsb. And if I want it to be in another zone, who is DSB to tell me no on my own creative work? Something I worked on for months. All by myself. If Biller wants to shut down a server because my map is on it and I approved that map being on that server. Then you guys have serious personal and management issues.

 

I notice in tons of zones a lot of events are being remade, and copied, and people give credit where its due. They write in the arena that the original event is from EG, or Trench wars. That type of representation is all that is needed. Let content be free.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Avast

[Caerbannog]

Blatantly ripping off an event/map/tiles/settings without permission is bad, mostly cause it just reeks of trying to steal other zones' population.

If you made a map out of your free will, and using tiles (or re-tile it) that you made, you should be allowed to give it to as many zones as you want to IMO.

 

I don't think even DSB could claim "rights" to any given map, unless you're talking about their public map.

[Avast]

Blatantly ripping off an event/map/tiles/settings without permission is bad, mostly cause it just reeks of trying to steal other zones' population.

If you made a map out of your free will, and using tiles (or re-tile it) that you made, you should be allowed to give it to as many zones as you want to IMO.

 

I don't think even DSB could claim "rights" to any given map, unless you're talking about their public map.

 

Unless the creator of the map gives permission for his/her map to be used elsewhere then it can't be used? If that's the case that's fine. And obviously DSB mapper is long gone, and we aren't even sure who made the map, so the map is there's. It is also mainstream.

 

But I still disagree on tile-sets. I think all graphics should be freely distributed.

Especially if you have 20 minutes to watch that video. She makes perfect sense.

 

Not trying to steal population. I was thinking of lending my map to friend who owns a zone. But he said biller won't allow it if it uses the tileset I made it on. I am not staff at my friends zone. I don't even play there. He didn't even ask. I offered and he likes the map.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Avast

[Cheese]

your tilesets and your maps are your intellectual property and you are allowing the zone to use it when you send it to them.

that will never change, regardless of what they tell you.

 

however, to use a map that is not yours in another zone is dishonest.

 

also, trench wars used to give credit where credit was due through ?owner

but then one day some incompetent sysop didnt understand how ?owner worked and went through the zone and took away the cumulative credit from everyone instead of the part they should have removed.

[L.C.]

SSC provisions state that originality is essential to be accepted as a zone for SSC connectivity (of course the interpretation of "originality" in degree is mostly up to a qualified biller operator). Unfortunately someone did not bother to renew sscouncil.com, so I cannot point you to said provisions.

 

Alternatively, you can chose a non-SSC host like SSL or BlueT. At least with BlueT, we pretty much do not care what you put in your zone (even if it is from another zone, uses same settings, same map, etcetera). However, if you take original content from another zone that we host under BlueT (not SSCV) using it in your BlueT-hosted zone, and the registrar of the zone you are using its content from does not want you to use said content we will ensure their request is fulfilled (this is relative to the registrar at time present for said BlueT-hosted zone).

 

Ethically it is not right without attaining permission. But given the size and insignificance of this game in the real world is why on BlueT virtually anything is permitted.

Edited April 26, 2011 by L.C.

[Hakaku]

For LC, Google Cache:

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LvbuzOxjWhYJ:www.sscouncil.com/guidelines.php+http://sscouncil.com/&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&source=www.google.ca

 

Though, the guidelines are really kind of pointless. Steady pop of 30? Good luck.

[Dr Brain]

For LC, Google Cache:

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LvbuzOxjWhYJ:www.sscouncil.com/guidelines.php+http://sscouncil.com/&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&source=www.google.ca

 

Though, the guidelines are really kind of pointless. Steady pop of 30? Good luck.

 

The steady pop of 30+ is just for L1 BanG, and has nothing to do with zone access to the biller.

[Caerbannog]

Blatantly ripping off an event/map/tiles/settings without permission is bad, mostly cause it just reeks of trying to steal other zones' population.

If you made a map out of your free will, and using tiles (or re-tile it) that you made, you should be allowed to give it to as many zones as you want to IMO.

 

I don't think even DSB could claim "rights" to any given map, unless you're talking about their public map.

 

Unless the creator of the map gives permission for his/her map to be used elsewhere then it can't be used? If that's the case that's fine. And obviously DSB mapper is long gone, and we aren't even sure who made the map, so the map is there's. It is also mainstream.

 

But I still disagree on tile-sets. I think all graphics should be freely distributed.

Especially if you have 20 minutes to watch that video. She makes perfect sense.

 

Not trying to steal population. I was thinking of lending my map to friend who owns a zone. But he said biller won't allow it if it uses the tileset I made it on. I am not staff at my friends zone. I don't even play there. He didn't even ask. I offered and he likes the map.

 

Your logic on "I made the map and let your zone use it, you cannot tell me what other zones I can let use it" applies to tilesets alike, if you spend a few hours on creating tiles (or .lvz) for YOUR map, you might not want other people to use them without permission. I think this is fine.

 

Except if the graphic is ripped off from somewhere (like a pac-man ghost, or pac-man himself). Stuff like that should be free for all, since the original creator probably isn't the REAL original creator as such

[Yupa]

Nothing stopping you from using another biller. It's nice to not have to make a new profile and to be able to chat with your usual chatters, but I've seen plenty of non-SSC zones thrive.

[Dav]

some people arevery defensive of tiles. DS had a large argument with another zone many years ago about 3 tiles, which had to be redone in the end to stop the fussing. (blue doors became red doors is memory serves me correctly)

 

The best thing to do is ask before using, there are also a lot of tile out there for anyone to use in what was SSDL.

 

On the issue of your own map, I would be inclined to say you can do what you want with it (but there could be an issue with tiles if you used the zones tileset).

 

There have been many zone owners who insist that anything in the zone, no matter who made it, belong to the zone and they get final say. Personally I think this is getting into a very fuzzy line of who owns what.

[L.C.]

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