Incursions!

[Avast]

Hoch at his best

 

1. Hoch announces hes shutting down DSB, effectively speeding up the population decrease ten fold.

2. Hoch makes promises to improve DSB pub, yet no improvements have been made

3. Staff uploads the new league map (Me, Dakrn, Entropy, were the major creators of this map) They call it a theme weekend - you know 3 to 5 days maximum, or basically to be uploaded in pub over the weekend. Yet the map stays up for a month effectively killing our zone population even more. Why would you keep a map up for one month, especially one that is not near finished. DSB staff seems to think theme weekends involve every weekend of the month including weekdays.

4. Hoch claims he wants the new map to feel like the old one, so that people accept it more yet they upload it with completely different tiles, they go from a tile set that has 40 different tiles, to a generic tileset that has 12 tiles. This is obviously a downgrade. Nobody likes the new tiles they are using.

5. Hoch is never seen in the zone for weeks at a time. Basically once a week, if not once a month and he only stays maximum 5 minutes to 1 hour.

6. Staff does not provide equal opportunity recruiting methods in DSB, for simple positions like league ref (1 hour on a sunday) or Development team. Instead their recruiting methods border on Mafia, personal preference, prejudice and whatever else you want to call it. Equal opportunity would mean they accept you into staff, like a low level dev or ref position, and if you break a rule they punish you accordingly and remove your position. Then they ACTUALLY have a reason to say you can't help. Instead they hate their own player demographic and treat us like criminals. They will never get anyone to help with the zone. There is a major shortage of Refs and Development team. Everyone was either fired wrongfully, quit, doesn't want to work with hoch or beer hunter, or just can't help because staff won't accept their help out of pride.

7. One part of staff like say Greenish, accepts people in Dev team and ER positions, and to help with the zone, but the other part of staff discriminates and boycotts those people and does not involve them in any projects.

8. Random abuse, threats, and blackmail from Hoch and other DSB staff. I have screenshots upon screenshots of this. Only cheaters deserve bans, DSB staff has no ability to deal with people or make friends and no desire. In fact their methods of dealing with people also serves to destroy the zone.

9. There have been no events in DSB for over 6 months. No Turret theme weekend, that would literally take five minutes to prepare and upload. Nothing, pub has remained the same with no goals, you just enter and flag, and kill mindlessly.

10. Fly swatter and Morihkan another example of people trying to help the zone, have programmed bots, maps, and types of game play that would make pub 10 times more fun. Yet 6 months later and their finished work still hasn't been uploaded.

11. Fly swatter is one of the only people who program bots for DSB, and yet Hoch doesn't give him any access. Another example of personal preference over helping the zone.

12. DSB 80 population last year, to an average of 35 now.

 

 

Falconeer' date='

 

I sincerely hope you assumed that I would not read the flood e-mails you sent to me, because I did not.

 

I have taken the view that you are no longer allowed on the DSB Boards. Therefore, your forum ban is now permanent.

 

In addition to the above, you have exhausted my patience with the effect that one more incursion on your part will result in a permanent zone ban. Incursions include but does not exclude nonsensical remarks, general acts of nuisance, or simply being yourself. If it comes to this, you will become a member of an exclusive club. Congratulations on your future acceptance, should it come to pass.

 

For the avoidance of doubt, replying to this e-mail or discussing your present situation with anyone will count as an incursion.[/quote']

 

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5402/hoch.png

Edited February 7, 2011 by Avast

[Cheese]

lol Hoch permabanning people for what he likes to call 'incursions'

 

now thats what i call a powertrip

good stuff

[CRe]

now thats what i call a powertrip

good stuff

[Avast]

Hoch doesn't take well to criticism. And believe me its well overdue. Ten years overdue. So many mistakes with league, management and staff and zone Policy. From people in staff positions who are completely inactive. To people in staff who don't even play the game. To tons of people who want to help, where staff could just approach them and invite them to do so. Yet they don't. Instead they hold on pride and ego, and post recruiting threads on DSB forums. Why? You know full well who wants to help, you just don't want their help. Delic and Vanish for example come to mind for remaking our 6vs6 league. Sever and Seriel Killer for Babl, Myself I applied for referee (1 hour on a Sunday) but as Beer Hunter likes to tell me Hoch> "Falconeer will never be involved in anything DSB" Morihkan and Fly Swatter, who only have DEV zone access (yes another zone), given by Greenish not Hoch. Not to mention the_snake and Tango who would probably do wonders for the zone if they could be convinced to rejoin DSB Dev team. Sadly they never will rejoin and you know why? Because Hoch doesn't like to apologize either. I guess cowards don't have courage to admit when they wronged other people. Or brains to see it either. Not that I don't think it takes two. Tango and Snake aren't perfect, but being grown ups we expect people to forgive and forget and fix the fucking zone. Not to mention everything in DSB is considered Central Intelligence Agency classified and there is never community involvement. It took staff 3 months to inform us what the new league will be. What a joke.

 

P.S I really don't give a shit about politics

 

Also a recurring trend with Hoch is cover ups. And to that I say, Someone who can stand by their actions, wouldn't need to hide their actions. He knows he is wrong.

[Adraak]

On some points of your text my fellow player - I agree. You have raised valid points concerning the control and dictatorship Hoch has over DSB.

 

Over the years in DSB there has been a lot of cover ups on cases where Hoch has got rid of his fellow staff. Most of the times when this happens the staffer who left has "resigned" and if he has been found telling the truth, he has been banned from the zone immediately - At least this is how I have seen it between the lines, the resignations usually come out of nowhere without very logical reasons or timing.

 

Usually Hoch is most interested to get rid of players and staffers who are suggesting improvements which are strongly against his own beliefs and agenda, I have chatted with some of the people before they have resigned and their intentions have been good and their goals far in the future, its highly questionable how they would predict or plan the future if they are resigning. Hoch means well but his methods to manage the zone are from the past, I have heard that loops used to have same sort of management as Hoch does, I wasn't around during that time so I can't be sure.

 

Hoch hardly has allowed the zone to see what his plans are or what his staff is planning, at least this is how I have seen it after the map decision came out of nowhere, we were lied that it was a theme weekend for months. It is very unlikely that anybody knows about the plans until they are finished and ready to go. This usually causes a lot of fights between the staff and players because players hardly agree that the staff, or should I say hoch, should be the only one to decide which course DSB is to take. The zone belongs to the players who should have bigger say on which road the zone will be taken. So far these requests to listen to the players have been ignored and cover up stories have been made if necessary to make players believe they will be heard.

 

Hoch has a general vision on what DSB thinks. However you may find this pretty funny considering the man does not play the zone. He visits the zone once a week, sometimes his absence is even longer. All the key decisions or functions usually run through him, he hardly lets anybody else take any major role in decisions. Hoch usually uses most of his staff as puppets who need to work under his rules and beliefs, failure to comply will lead to your resignation or a fair warning at least.

 

Hoch is always right is one of the very familiar phrases in DSB. If Hoch states something, he will not agree he has mistaken, even if it has been proven to him by the players as well as his fellow staff.

 

Considering the league I could reflect on the things I said earlier in this post. Everybody are merely a puppets of Hoch, they hardly have any power of their own when it comes to key decisions surrounding issues of DSB, at least that is the image I have gotten after chatting with the staff members. If I have suggested something, it usually means I will be on Hoch's shitlist soon when Hoch hears how much against his beliefs the suggestion was. The person who takes the suggestion usually agrees it could be okay but hardly says there will be any action taken. I think this shows how much Hoch controls everything.

 

I doubt that anybody from DSB staff would be as evil as Hoch is, at least on my personal opinion I see all the clues pointing at the zone owner.

 

The communication between staff and the community seems to be blocked by Hoch's beliefs. I have not had very many discussions with Hoch but based on the discussions and reactions I have gotten after suggesting more open community involvement has shown how badly things are.

 

I agree with some of your points considering DSB and the staff. I have played roughly for 5 years so I do not know how things have been before Hoch but things need improvement or else DSB will die.

 

I want to take a moment to question your motives and capability to be in zone staff. From my point of view, I have not been in direct contact with you but from the discussions I have seen you write on DSB Forums, I have noted that you usually provoke a lot of players to argue with you or with each other. I have seen you treating several op>'s in very bad manner as well, I do not know if you want to direct your hate towards Hoch but because you cannot, you aim for the closest people to Hoch, his staff.

 

I do not know if a person who attacks and provokes players should be made staff. It is questionable will you be able to change your behavior completely and leave all the bad things behind you. Also if I have not mistaken the staff usually recruits players with good player management skills and players who are not involved in any sort of questionable activities? I think DSB has had pretty good recruiting methods, of course some of the recruiting decisions have probably been influenced by the owner of the zone.

 

Even though DSB is going through some tough times, if proper changes are done, with or without Hoch, we can reach better zone which will be liked by the players as well. I as a player love to play leagues so I am really looking forward to the next league. It has been under development for long time which has caused us to lose players but I doubt it is the fault of the people actually developing it.

 

I will keep playing DSB till the very end, I hope things would change so all of us, the players could keep having our daily dosage of the fun DSB gives to us. The public has been very empty lately and my daily fun in the public has decreased because of this but lately there has been more players since they have changed the map back to the old one.

[Cheese]

my favorite was the axing of turboslug

[PoLiX]

Intriguing

[XO-MANOWAR]

Well let me add a couple of cents as a DSB staffer.Falc I dont even need to go into you're "Legendary" trolling status of DSB.If you play there,you know what "it"is.Although I see your rants as mostly harmless,it can be annoying to some.However lets get to the point.If what you are saying is should the zone be under new management,who or what is your recommendation?It's very easy to critisize people or methods,but on the other hand "what" will replace them?Simply saying I dont like this..or this should have happened instead is not the answer.This topic is obviously not going away,so it's time it was dealt with.Question is...what's the answer?

[Cheese]

your*

 

 

right now, sounds to me like the best solution is to let dsb die quickly, then wait long enough for hoch to quit the game forever, then restart dsb

[Avast]

MANO- Well let me add a couple of cents as a DSB staffer.Falc I dont even need to go into you're "Legendary" trolling status of DSB.If you play there,you know what "it"is.Although I see your rants as mostly harmless,it can be annoying to some.However lets get to the point.If what you are saying is should the zone be under new management,who or what is your recommendation?It's very easy to criticize people or methods,but on the other hand "what" will replace them?Simply saying I dont like this..or this should have happened instead is not the answer.This topic is obviously not going away,so it's time it was dealt with.Question is...what's the answer?

 

I already said I didn't post this for politics. I could have posted tons of things on SSFORUMS ages ago that could make hoch look bad. No instead I made a DSB blog, and MOSTLY it's just a very small archive of things I managed to collect. I don't show it off. I could have posted everything on the Blog here, but I didn't. So once again I hate politics. I was involved in politics online once when I was 18, and its a severe waste of time. I don't need any staff positions, or status. If I wanted real and true status I would cease being a troll and make tons of friends, because that is in a sense REAL POWER. Truly I don't care who runs the zone, I never cared if Beer Hunter remained league coordinator. I just care when something is done half assed, or wrong, or when others purposefully harm the zone, or step on people with their power. I don't step on people. I don't ban people. Yes I troll but believe me when I say the treatment I get back from 20 angry people is much worse than what I can dish out. Someone who has power like Hoch or Beer should not be abusing it. I have no power so nothing was abused. So with that said since I don't care if Hoch is the zone owner, But I do care when things are repeatedly screwed up year after year. It means if Hoch improved or changed, or had a more open mind, and was dare I say more Compassionate, then he would make a fine zone owner, and I would be fucking epically happy. I just want to see things improved. I really don't want to harm anyone, I would feel extremely bad after, because unlike some people I have a conscience. This is my personal response. But the DSB community is dying. The reason I post on dsb forums, and why I posted here, is to expose the truth. Because only with everything known can anything ever improve. Plus I'm actually free to post here without threat of bans.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Avast

[Avast]

Adraak - I want to take a moment to question your motives and capability to be in zone staff. From my point of view, I have not been in direct contact with you but from the discussions I have seen you write on DSB Forums, I have noted that you usually provoke a lot of players to argue with you or with each other. I have seen you treating several op>'s in very bad manner as well, I do not know if you want to direct your hate towards Hoch but because you cannot, you aim for the closest people to Hoch, his staff.

 

I do not know if a person who attacks and provokes players should be made staff. It is questionable will you be able to change your behavior completely and leave all the bad things behind you. Also if I have not mistaken the staff usually recruits players with good player management skills and players who are not involved in any sort of questionable activities? I think DSB has had pretty good recruiting methods, of course some of the recruiting decisions have probably been influenced by the owner of the zone.

 

I mean I ask to ref last year. And beer says I'll let you join but on the condition

that if you do anything wrong no matter how small, you will be banned one year.

He literally said if I post anything they don't like on forums, as staff

I will get banned one year IN GAME. Just for a post? So I have to be extra careful to make

sure they like everything?! They are crazy. And yes I have the whole log.

 

And then you wonder why nobody trusts staff? Maybe if you didn't blackmail people.

If you actually left things to trust people would go out of there way to help you

because you actually stand for something good.

 

I could have done this last year, the year before, and even the year before

that. Change my IP and Computer In about one week, play DSB for a month

and apply to Referee. If I did that last year I would be ref by now and no

one would know the difference.

 

Stop treating people like criminals. Chances are Entropy is the next Dexter In

real life. And I am Mother Teresa and feed the poor. Your judging character

in a 2D spaceships game.

 

Trust is something you have to give for it to be broken. Try trusting me first

with something, and then say that. For example you can trust me to be a

Referee, and if I mess up, there is no blackmail. That's why it's called trust.

Instead you just don't trust me again since you actually have proof I can't

be trusted and not speculation or popular opinion or whatever you want to

call it.

 

Meanwhile they have people in DSB staff who break staff rules/protocol twenty times.

That's a clear sign these people are loose cannons and can't be trusted.

YES i have screenshots and logs. Yet these people get TWENTY chances so they

can break the same staff rules again. For example an EVENT ref, banning players.

Not allowed. ER'S just run events, only OPS ban. And an ER banning players

for talking. Definitely not allowed. How come staff "trust" abuse staffers

and not people like me? or delic? or vanish? IS it because WE HAVE OPINIONS??!

 

Reputation what a Joke. Do you know how many games I played way before

Subspace where I was practically worshiped? What does that say about your

reputation? Worshiped, Hated? Same difference, and I did both in my time.

So where do you draw the line now? How could falc be worshiped you say?

Impossible. Well its true. Sorry to burst your black and white world.

 

KEEP IN MIND IN DSB referee is one of the lowest staff positions.

and your only active with it on Sundays for one hour during a league game.

KEEP IN MIND IN DSB they need refs to run the next league and desperately looking for some

And keep in mind it's a tedious and boring position. I didn't volunteer because it would

be extremely fun. I did it because they DESPERATELY NEED PEOPLE, and I have time to help.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Avast

[Adraak]

I do not know Beer's intentions but what if you would have been declined, fired or banned regardless of your actions? You are showing an email of Hoch telling he will ban you. Perhaps Beer was merely saying what could happen and perhaps he was not the man who would have banned you? I do remember hearing from somebody on public that you were once fired from developement staff because Hoch ordered so, is this true?

 

All I am trying to say is, perhaps Beer just laid out the cards on what will most likely happen, you will clash with Hoch and then you will be gone.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Adraak

[Avast]

I do not know Beer's intentions but what if you would have been declined, fired or banned regardless of your actions? You are showing an email of Hoch telling he will ban you. Perhaps Beer was merely saying what could happen and perhaps he was not the man who would have banned you? I do remember hearing from somebody on public that you were once fired from development staff because Hoch ordered so, is this true?

 

All I am trying to say is, perhaps Beer just laid out the cards on what will most likely happen, you will clash with Hoch and then you will be gone.

 

That might be true, then again everything I confront beer with he tells me it's Hoch, or Hoch decides that. So there is no way to hold anyone

accountable for anything except Hoch.

 

I do not know Beer's intentions but what if you would have been declined, fired or banned regardless of your actions?

 

Also that's why I didn't accept Beers proposition. They can find any reason to ban me then. Now they don't really have a reason except that I talk a lot.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Avast

[Avast]

And here it is the moment you've all been waiting for..

 

Banned until 2024

 

Even cheaters don't get such a luxurious ban

 

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2278/incursions.png

 

Yep you get to see what nice Programs/games I am playing

 

Also how can you dispute a ban with someone who banned you?

there should be someone separate for that

Edited February 7, 2011 by Avast

[CRe]

Is this guy still a BanG admin?

[XO-MANOWAR]

Ok..well that makes no sense..whats the ban for?I don't see how you can be banned for posting on Forum.And until 2024?This is like a SNL script.

[Avast]

Lol no Mano. Beer Hunter banned me from forums. (It was because beer deleted my post, but instead of deleting it, he edited it to say that he removed my post because it's off topic, so since it was still my post I edited it back as a joke. Beer being in my squad, and being on my MSN, was the first person I showed the post too. Needless to say Beer didn't find it funny. And said something like if you screw with me your finished. Completely unexpected to be honest.) So he banned me until February 10 from forums. Hoch banned me from dsb forums permanently after. And banned me because of e-mailing him about all the problems I see in DSB. Also known as being a nuisance and making incursions etc. I only e-mail Hoch because staff always tells me to talk to Hoch when I bring up something. And e-mail is the only way to have a conversation with him.

 

Lol and as you might already know Mano I have been banned from DSB forums before from 2007 until 2010. And I never did anything to deserve that ban either, especially not for 3 years.

 

Here is the edit I made on beers edit of my post. Not even sure that deserved a forum ban either. But people will be jerks right. =)

 

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2034/hahabz.png

 

P.S the joke has a meaning, because Hoch once told me he would read my e-mails and make a wanking off motion with his hand.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Avast

[Adraak]

I think you are wrong in accusing the staff on that forum ban. It seems to me that you really wanted to have your fun even you had your post deleted - perhaps for your own sake?

 

On the other hand, the ban hoch made on you from the zone is completely wrong and unjustified. I have heard your ban might not be the first wrong ban in the history of DSB. I hope it will be the last though - banning all the players, especially without having a reason is bad in every possible way.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Adraak

[XO-MANOWAR]

Btw Falc..what are you going to call your Exclusive Club?

[Avast]

Adraak I hope you understand that by posting under another name and hiding your identity you are just supporting the type of environment that Hoch thrives in. And that would be one of deception and cover ups. I truly dislike none-straight-forward people. Anyway lets add context to that thread. Then again perhaps your afraid Hoch will ban you too.

 

The thread is called Moving forward to League 13. In the thread I mentioned how we have a 60 tiles tile set, and how we used these tiles for 10 years. These tiles truly give the feel of DSB and to replace them on the new map with 20 generic tile set was a downgrade. This is a valid point and everyone agreed with me.

 

I also made this post in that thread.

 

Any adaption to compensate for a smaller zone wont work. Because the

same problems would exist that cause us to lose players. So eventually the

adaption to 9vs9 or even 6vs6 would be too big. Then we would need to

adapt to 2vs2. And keep going smaller until nothing is left.

 

The idea is to make a league that will attract players and motivate them.

If you aim small you get small. If you aim big, you attract people. I have

always said this.

 

I have also always said that map size doesn't matter and you can have 6vs6

on the original DSB just by changing the game play.

 

And once again people agreed with me

 

I for once agree with Falc.

 

There will be no pause to the declining population if we change nothing but

cut the sectors apart and call it our main league.

 

I also supported other PEOPLE in that thread.

 

Also I think Delic has good ideas to make 6vs6 successful and staff should

include him and a few others in meetings and production of the league. Delic

there is definitely a large chance this new map league would be a bust, and

6vs6 would pave the way as the main league. You just have to be content with

developing it and hosting it in August.

 

And after all my constructive criticism, SUPPORT of other people, and even everyone agreeing with me. Manwhore was still entering every thread I posted in and calling for staff to BAN me from forums. Probably because he is mad at me. Sadly he doesn't realize if staff bans me for just talking, they will one day ban him for even less, because they won't like him anymore. Supporting one injustice means it will happen to you one day. The right thing to do is support what is right. Not who you like.

 

Dear Hoch, the rest of staff, and whomever else...

 

This is so overdue. This forum has stage IV terminal troll cancer and it needs some ban radiation therapy ASAP. Falc has proven time and time again that he is incapable of contributing anything of value to any discussion and his posts are at least 90% troll fluff. Please, for the love of DSB, deal with this kid.

 

So My reply (the one beer hunter edited out) was a LOG of me and the_snake talking about League 13 and the problems DSB is having with it. And it was a direct reply to the thread, and to Manwhores TENTH post to ban me. Why add a conversation with snake? I wanted to show that other people agree with my views on league 13 to manwhore, so he would have less of a reason to call to keep banning me when his friend snake agrees with me.

 

Yes somehow manwhore was free all week to go in every thread I post in and ask for me to be banned. Using terms like Cancer troll - when even our own DSB staff Dakrn is recovering from cancer. Yet people see fit to ban me? Someone who gave valid points? I never asked for him to be banned or to stop or anything. I don't mind if people hate on me. And because banning is stupid.

 

Adraak if you want to skew any more facts you might find your more credible with your real name.

Edited February 8, 2011 by Avast

[SeVeR]

Wow Falc, your list is strikingly similar to my own. I made this list a few days ago:

 

1. Hoch threatened to shut down the zone, and after a good percentage of the zone had left, he changed his mind. I think we lost about 30% of the zones population in this one move.

2. Other than a few short, token appearances, Hoch doesn't play subspace anymore, and as a result he has no idea how to improve the public arena. Anyone who plays computer games knows that every game needs a goal, a purpose, and a method to win that requires some level of skill. A needless game that requires nothing more than flying around aimlessly flagging or killing is tedious and boring. Hoch is so completely disconnected from the zone that he doesn't realise this.

3. There are countless brilliant ideas coming out on the forum, and yet Hoch does nothing to support them or even create discussion about them.

4. There are countless talented bot coders building these brilliant ideas for DSB and offering them to be tested, yet they come up against a zone owner who does almost nothing to make that testing happen.

5. With regards DSB League, Hoch has trusted an incompetent staffer to co-ordinate league for several years, Beer hunter, who has consistently failed to deliver any of the desperately needed changes, and has allowed league to decline year on year. Why did Hoch do nothing about this, despite a majority of players stating how bad Beer Hunter is? Because Hoch is disconnected from the zone, he doesn't play the zone, he doesn't know what is going on.

6. A theme map was recently tested in pub. The map was a downgrade, but rather than my opinion, let the population graphs for the last month tell you the result of it. The decline through January left the zone on it's knees. There was 2v2 in pub at peak times. They finally took the map down and put the original one up, and that evening we had 14v14 in pub again.

7. Given this horrible reaction to the theme map, would it surprise you that they are considering this map for the next DSB League? Well unfortunately they are. They have tested it several times already in mock-matches, and if they finally decide to use it in league, it will probably end the zone. It's something that is so incredibly stupid, but it's not beyond staff... they are testing it afterall (they're not testing any other map). We simply cannot let them kill the zone through such mindless incompetence.

8. The league co-ordinator asked months ago for feedback on what would make a good league, stating that he personally would like to see 9v9. Nearly everyone who responded on the forum said they would like 6v6 or 7v7 for a league. It was announced recently that 9v9 will be tried. He completely ignored the feedback.

9. This imminent league, that could destroy the zone due to 9v9 gameplay on a map that is proven terrible, has taken the staff months to get ready. However, the theme map they want to use was built months ago, and 9v9 was apparently chosen by Beer Hunter months ago too. So what have they done? The answer sadly is nothing.

[SeVeR]

Oh and congratulations on getting banned for having an opinion and believing in the concept of free speech.

 

Question: Why do the most abhorrent, power-hungry, egotistical maniacs always end up as the sysops of subspace zones?

Answer: Because they want it the most.

[Avast]

Btw Falc..what are you going to call your Exclusive Club?

 

My exclusive club has always been my squad 181st Tie, and we will meet up and play another zone. Maybe Extreme games, or Trench wars league.

 

And definitely some Devastation!

 

Oh and congratulations on getting banned for having an opinion and believing in the concept of free speech.

 

Question: Why do the most abhorrent, power-hungry, egotistical maniacs always end up as the sysops of subspace zones?

Answer: Because they want it the most.

 

Rofl Sever I don't know whose more daunting, CSI Miami Guy or Clint East wood. Hahaa

 

7. Given this horrible reaction to the theme map, would it surprise you that they are considering this map for the next DSB League? Well unfortunately they are. They have tested it several times already in mock-matches, and if they finally decide to use it in league, it will probably end the zone. It's something that is so incredibly stupid, but it's not beyond staff... they are testing it afterall (they're not testing any other map). We simply cannot let them kill the zone through such mindless incompetence.

 

Sever you know I was actually a big part in making this map. Even when dev team tried to keep me out of it. Mainly Beer Hunter and Kaiyin. But I eventually got through to Dakrn, and he decided to give me a chance to fix the map. And he loved what I did with it. Having worked on the map, I really do like the map and think it has potential. But Sever is 100% right. The community didn't take well to the unfinished map, especially with the wrong tiles it had. And furthermore the map is no where near ready. Instead of running Babl league or 6vs6 league and letting the development team properly work on the map and finish it gradually they are rushing the maps completion for March 3rd so it will be ready for DSBL13. That is a bad mistake. And it was a mistake to leave an unfinished map up in pub for one month. The map needs many changes to even be considered for a league.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Avast

[Adraak]

I am merely questioning the actions you took on the forums. I dont want this to get side tracked, I already agreed that your ban by Hoch was not justified in any possible way. I think the change starts from the owner of the zone - If he cant call the shots anymore, the staff below him will have more authority to judge things in fairer way. Also the owner is the one who permanently banned you from everything DSB has.

 

The points sever raised towards league are valid. But I have seen that the decisions, the major one's such as what kind of game play or map would be used are not up to the people running the league. The main decisions always go through the owner. I point to my earlier post where I said that there are several puppets being controlled by one man.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Adraak

[L.C.]

General information:

If an organized structure is to succeed, the integrity of the highest ring of leadership must be of synchronized, healthy perspective for the sake of the organization and its purpose. If this integrity is broken within any leader of the highest ring of leadership for said organization, then the rest is to follow likewise.

 

This principle is true of anything, from governments to denominations and churches, from corporations and business to indy game development.

Edited February 7, 2011 by L.C.