Rush Levi:

[Zasso]

Help choose a build.

If you have any better ideas on item choice, pls list.

 

PD Levi - 2900nrg

Point Defense

HE Missile

Esper System

Carnot Engine

Ablative Armor

Power Strip

Deflector Shield

Field Generator

Inertial Dampener

Speed Mount

Defense Mount

Hi Jump Engines

4xTWTOKEN

Extra Mount

Defense Mount

AntiDeath

 

ZPM Levi - 3275nrg

Phaser/Pulse

HE Missile

ZPM

Carnot Engine

Glow Cover

Power Strip

Deflector Shield

Field Generator

Energy Scanner/Tachyon

Speed Mount

Defense Mount

Hi Jump

4xTWTOKEN

Extra Mount

Defense Mount

AntiDeath

 

Combo Levi - 2900nrg

Phaser/Pulse Laser

Salvo

Esper System

Carnot Engine

Ablative Armor

Power Strip

Deflector Shield

Field Generator

Tachyon Sensors

Combo Mount

Defense Mount

Hi Jump Engines

4xTWTOKEN

Extra Mount

Defense Mount

AntiDeath

Edited January 1, 2011 by Shuuhei Hisagi

[oid]

aphasic>ablative and ion>carnot

[Zasso]

I'll say no thank you to those 2 suggestions.

 

#1. Rush levi means it'll be heading into a heavy stream of guns.

Ablative protects better than aphasic in both L1 and L2.

Seeing as how no one uses giga, it's just L1, L2, L3. L2 being the most common (Trap&Pulse), followed by L1&L3 tied for second place (Pea&Beam Vs. Plasma&Posi).

So I did some calcs myself using as reference, 2 trap, 1 beam, 1 plasma. Seems like a reasonable defence. Ablative took less damage than aphasic.

Hence, I'll stick with ablative unless you pull out some real evidence.

 

#2. I will need all the speed+thrust I can get on my levi since I'll most likely get repped back multiple times. Carnot trumps Ion in that respect. Add to the fact that I won't be ab'ing on rush, meaning carnot's cons` mean nothing. Levi's basic rot is more than enough for me, and carnot provides +1. I won't need Ion's +3/4.

Edited January 1, 2011 by Shuuhei Hisagi

[Corey]

i use ion on my rush wb, ion is one of the best sublights.

[Zasso]

A wb is a wb.

A levi is a levi.

 

Have you seen a levi's thrust? It's a freaking nightmare.

 

 

I would rate ion/carnot as the 2 best subs in game for normal purposes.

Hydra&Nuke Booster have a special spot in my heart reserved for them.

Edited January 2, 2011 by Shuuhei Hisagi

[spidernl]

Why not use Hydra? I think even with the penalties for PD it'll have more thrust, and thrust is important when you're being repped back every .3 seconds.

[Zasso]

Hydra+Levi w/o Sysop = Flying only in straight lines? xD

How will I ever turn dem corners?

[Unix]

Out of all of those, the most successful one would probably be the PD levi, I've tried variations of all of those ships, the best one I've played with and rushed with was the PD levi.

[oid]

I'll say no thank you to those 2 suggestions.

 

#1. Rush levi means it'll be heading into a heavy stream of guns.

Ablative protects better than aphasic in both L1 and L2.

Seeing as how no one uses giga, it's just L1, L2, L3. L2 being the most common (Trap&Pulse), followed by L1&L3 tied for second place (Pea&Beam Vs. Plasma&Posi).

So I did some calcs myself using as reference, 2 trap, 1 beam, 1 plasma. Seems like a reasonable defence. Ablative took less damage than aphasic.

Hence, I'll stick with ablative unless you pull out some real evidence.

 

#2. I will need all the speed+thrust I can get on my levi since I'll most likely get repped back multiple times. Carnot trumps Ion in that respect. Add to the fact that I won't be ab'ing on rush, meaning carnot's cons` mean nothing. Levi's basic rot is more than enough for me, and carnot provides +1. I won't need Ion's +3/4.

ion has way more thrust than carnot, u dumb

[Rivel]

 +------------------+
 | Leviathan        |
 +------------------+-------+--------+-----------------------------------------------------+
 | Item Name        | Count | Ammo   | Item Types                                          |
 +------------------+-------+--------+-----------------------------------------------------+
 | Combat Sensors   |     1 |        | Emitter                                             |
 | Antideath        |     1 |        | Antideath, Alien Tech                               |
 | HE Missile       |     1 |        | Bomb                                                |
 | Naquadah Gen.    |     1 |        | Reactor                                             |
 | Carnot Engine    |     1 |        | Sublight Drives                                     |
 | Cloak Shaper     |     1 |        | Addon                                               |
 | Defense Mount    |     2 |        | Mount, -15 Bullet Burst, -20 Repeller, Repel Mount  |
 | Power Strip      |     1 |        | Addon                                               |
 | Inertial Damper  |     1 |        | Emitter                                             |
 | Repel            |    20 |        | Repeller                                            |
 | Burst            |    15 |        | Bullet Burst                                        |
 | Faraday Shield   |     1 |        | Armor                                               |
 | Point Defense    |     1 |        | Gun, Signature                                      |
 | Extra Mount      |     1 |        | 2 Capacity, -1 Mount                                |
 | Speed Mount      |     1 |        | Mount                                               |
 | Transwarp Key    |     1 |        | FTL                                                 |
 +------------------+-------+--------+-----------------------------------------------------+

 

That's what I used last reset.

[Zasso]

I'll say no thank you to those 2 suggestions.

 

#1. Rush levi means it'll be heading into a heavy stream of guns.

Ablative protects better than aphasic in both L1 and L2.

Seeing as how no one uses giga, it's just L1, L2, L3. L2 being the most common (Trap&Pulse), followed by L1&L3 tied for second place (Pea&Beam Vs. Plasma&Posi).

So I did some calcs myself using as reference, 2 trap, 1 beam, 1 plasma. Seems like a reasonable defence. Ablative took less damage than aphasic.

Hence, I'll stick with ablative unless you pull out some real evidence.

 

#2. I will need all the speed+thrust I can get on my levi since I'll most likely get repped back multiple times. Carnot trumps Ion in that respect. Add to the fact that I won't be ab'ing on rush, meaning carnot's cons` mean nothing. Levi's basic rot is more than enough for me, and carnot provides +1. I won't need Ion's +3/4.

ion has way more thrust than carnot, u dumb

 

Ion:

+4 Speed

+3 Rotation

+3 Thrust

 

Carnot:

+5 Speed

+5 Thrust

+1 Rotation

-2 Maxspeed

-3 Maxthrust

+2 afterburner

 

Come again?

oid is looking pretty dumb atm.

[Unix]

Look at the -2/-3 maxspeed/maxthrust

 

That lowers the overall values of your speed/thrust.

[Zasso]

I care not for AB though.

Was never my intention to use AB at all on this ship.

[Unix]

maxthrust/maxspeed isnt just about afterburners.

 

Best example of this in the most simplistic way...

 

Total values of Max speed/thrust = 10

One -maxspeed/-maxthrust = Lowers the total value of the two to 9

 

Now you have carnot doing +5 speed/thrust, however -2/-3 maxspeed/maxthrust.

The overall potential is lowered, and also because of that, the actual green value of "+5" is lowered. +1 on carnot is not the same as +1 on ion. You kinda need to think about it in terms of fractions or percentages.

 

It's confusing, and hard to explain, sorry

[Dr Brain]

maxthrust/maxspeed isnt just about afterburners.

 

Best example of this in the most simplistic way...

 

Total values of Max speed/thrust = 10

One -maxspeed/-maxthrust = Lowers the total value of the two to 9

 

Now you have carnot doing +5 speed/thrust, however -2/-3 maxspeed/maxthrust.

The overall potential is lowered, and also because of that, the actual green value of "+5" is lowered. +1 on carnot is not the same as +1 on ion. You kinda need to think about it in terms of fractions or percentages.

 

It's confusing, and hard to explain, sorry

 

^ this is wrong.

[Zasso]

maxthrust/maxspeed isnt just about afterburners.

 

Best example of this in the most simplistic way...

 

Total values of Max speed/thrust = 10

One -maxspeed/-maxthrust = Lowers the total value of the two to 9

 

Now you have carnot doing +5 speed/thrust, however -2/-3 maxspeed/maxthrust.

The overall potential is lowered, and also because of that, the actual green value of "+5" is lowered. +1 on carnot is not the same as +1 on ion. You kinda need to think about it in terms of fractions or percentages.

 

It's confusing, and hard to explain, sorry

 

^ this is wrong.

 

What is right then?

[omnomnom]

5 thrust = 5 thrust when maxthrust = 10

 

5 thrust = 5 thrust when maxthrust = 7

 

5 thrust = 5 thrust when maxthrust = 100

 

thrust is thrust normally, maxthrust is your thrust on afterburners, as well as being the normal upgrade limit.

 

If you had a warbird, the internal numbers is 21 thrust, 42 maxthrust. -3 maxthrust is -6.3, and would make the numbers 21 thrust, 35.7 maxthrust. Internally the game has no idea how many +56656 thrusts you got in the zone called Hyperspace.

[Unix]

I'm not sure about negative effects of maxthrust/maxspeed, but I know that when it comes to positive effects, +1 maxspeed and then having +11 speed does not give you 100% speed, it gives you something close though.

[oid]

I care not for AB though.

Was never my intention to use AB at all on this ship.

ur ship will be way better and more maneuverable if u use AB tho

[Zasso]

This is a rush levi.

I won't be ab'ing on rush.

No need to kill myself faster.

[oid]

This is a rush levi.

I won't be ab'ing on rush.

No need to kill myself faster.

ab is useful in a lot of situations, i thought that would be pretty obvious but it seems now ur just being stubborn

[Unix]

Using afterburners while rushing is good, sometimes.

[PlayWolf]

Well as I see it maxthrust and maxspeed is your max, no mater the value on normal thrust and speed is normal, even to say it's like this if I'm making no sense at all.

 

Ion 4 speed 3 thrust and 3 rotation correct? no effect on max

 

Carnot 5 speed 5 thrust 1 rotation and negative effect on your max but to think without the max it's actually better then ion. just.. no afterburner.

 

Even with that max down you still get the normal effect on your thrust and speed as you normally would, no change from the max, AT ALL. Max does not change the effect of speed or thrust. you can only have up to 10 as a stock, adding stuff like iner, maxwell and mane, or of course system op, that raises the max. Then your Afterburn will have a great effect. However, Max does NOT effect the normal thrust and speed. unless you somehow have -10 max thrust and speed, which is 0% on your ship.

 

I prefer carnot over ion for the No afterburn effect. Ion if you want a well good use of afterburn.

 

Glad to make no sense for you!

[Dr Brain]

I'm not sure about negative effects of maxthrust/maxspeed, but I know that when it comes to positive effects, +1 maxspeed and then having +11 speed does not give you 100% speed, it gives you something close though.

If that's true, then you won't get 100% on +10 with +0 max either.

[Cheese]

Carnot 5 speed 5 thrust 1 rotation and negative effect on your max but to think without the max it's actually better then ion. just.. no afterburner.

 

I prefer carnot over ion for the No afterburn effect. Ion if you want a well good use of afterburn.

 

no rabbit either