Unauthorized Degranting

[kid]

While I do understand the necessity for staff to be able to act reasonably and not within the constraints of rules that you can fit within eight sentences, historically I've seen a lot of moderators abuse this power.

 

Not to say Hyperspace Moderators abuse this, because the only rule I've ever seen enforced is "no swearing."

 

 

That's right; canada you.

[oid]

Anyways, I see the situation like this: lots of stuff. But... according to the rules staff can do stuff for any reason they so desire. (Lameness? Hah! What CAN'T me called "lameness" some way or another is the real question!)

 

I guess with HS's policy your stay will be dependent on the mods, especially in the top. But of course, not entirely. And of course, other places are like this too...

The main point of the "lameness clause" is to illustrate the difference between legal/arbitration systems in meatspace and hyperspace. Doing something intentionally harmful and then saying "Well technically I didn't do anything wrong because the letter of the law doesn't specifically call out this behavior as forbidden" is not going to work. It's a warning that even if you think you find a loophole, don't be surprised if you end up dealing with the consequences. This is not a democracy, you can't "gotcha!" us.

 

Now this is not to say that we power trip around swinging the ban hammer just because we feel like it. We attempt to use our best judgment in all of the situations across the spectrum of complexity we encounter. Again, its mostly for the people who have watched a few too many episodes of Law and Order and try to get cute. Save your time and ours, we don't have the same set of restrictions largely because the consequences of an overreaction on our part are negligible compared to real life. Also we run this town.

 

I gave away money because I could. I dont have to keep everything with me on hand. Obviously it's not to just avoid punishment, but to avoid spidernl from taking it through unauthorized force.

That's cool, I might still go through and grab it through authorized force.

 

Seriously people, stop being dicks.

ur argument might carry some weight if you actually played this game, but instead it further goes to show hs staff's "dont give a fuck" attitude. wtb new staff

[fireblind]

EVERYTHING IS TURRIBLE

[Cheese]

Anyways, I see the situation like this: lots of stuff. But... according to the rules staff can do stuff for any reason they so desire. (Lameness? Hah! What CAN'T me called "lameness" some way or another is the real question!)

 

I guess with HS's policy your stay will be dependent on the mods, especially in the top. But of course, not entirely. And of course, other places are like this too...

The main point of the "lameness clause" is to illustrate the difference between legal/arbitration systems in meatspace and hyperspace. Doing something intentionally harmful and then saying "Well technically I didn't do anything wrong because the letter of the law doesn't specifically call out this behavior as forbidden" is not going to work. It's a warning that even if you think you find a loophole, don't be surprised if you end up dealing with the consequences. This is not a democracy, you can't "gotcha!" us.

 

Now this is not to say that we power trip around swinging the ban hammer just because we feel like it. We attempt to use our best judgment in all of the situations across the spectrum of complexity we encounter. Again, its mostly for the people who have watched a few too many episodes of Law and Order and try to get cute. Save your time and ours, we don't have the same set of restrictions largely because the consequences of an overreaction on our part are negligible compared to real life. Also we run this town.

 

I gave away money because I could. I dont have to keep everything with me on hand. Obviously it's not to just avoid punishment, but to avoid spidernl from taking it through unauthorized force.

That's cool, I might still go through and grab it through authorized force.

 

Seriously people, stop being dicks.

ur argument might carry some weight if you actually played this game, but instead it further goes to show hs staff's "dont give a fuck" attitude. wtb new staff

 

agreed

[spidernl]

Cheese4mod!

 

This game isn't dying quickly enough after all.

 

That, and the fact that he's pretty desperate for some e-power.

[Weebles Wobble]

pplz b carin 2 much bout dis game brah

[Emit]

;_;

[Samapico]

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[Cheese]

TL;DR:

• spidernl made a bank bot
  
• spidernl knew that he had to check bot's money, and chose not to
  
• unix asked a mod to do an arena message.
  
• the bot freely gave money away, a result of spidernl's choice.
  
• spidernl cried
  
• two people gave spidernl a million dollars
  
• spidernl is now using his powers as a jrmod to take money from unix.
  

 

ps: every bank bot in hs history has had fake arena messages, grow up newbie

[omni]

TL;DR:

• spidernl made a bank bot
  
• spidernl knew that he had to check bot's money, and chose not to
  
• unix asked a mod to do an arena message.
  
• the bot freely gave money away, a result of spidernl's choice.
  
• spidernl cried
  
• two people gave spidernl a million dollars
  
• spidernl is now using his powers as a jrmod to take money from unix.
  

 

ps: every bank bot in hs history has had fake arena messages, grow up newbie

 

Your logic is retarded. If everything in this world were preventable, there wouldn't need to be any rules or consequences.

How anyone can see Unix is in the right is beyond me.

[Corey]

TL;DR:

 

• spidernl made a bank bot
  
• Unix took advantage of a mistake in the coding
  
• Unix knew he was in the wrong
  
• Unix gave away the money that he wrongfuly earned
  
• Unix still thinks he is not in the wrong
  
• Mods are taking action to the problem
  

Edited December 8, 2010 by Corey

[Cheese]

Your logic is retarded. If everything in this world were preventable, there wouldn't need to be any rules or consequences.

How anyone can see Unix is in the right is beyond me.

 

you are retarded.

spidernl knew about it, and unix pointed it out to spidernl before unix exploited it, because spidernl said he wouldnt fix it.

are you dumb, or do you not like to read?

 

• wrongfuly earned
  

 

lol, wrongfully earned

good word choice

and yes, the money was earned

 

 

 

 

 

notice spidernl got a free million and still no bot

spidernl +$13,000,000

ez money

[Prottos007]

I really enjoyed reading all five pages of this argument. So far as I can tell, the two sides-proUnix and proSpid- have filled this thread with their arguments, and no one from the other side is comprehending what's being said. Lets be real: this is a 2D mmo game from the 20th century, albeit a pretty cool one, and whining about moderator power abuse or player glitch abuse isn't something predictive (5 full pages of rapesause?). That being said, players, aka Unix, shouldn't exploit a weakness just because it's there. In real life, do people steal couple million from CitiBank online just because they find out a backdoor password, and then claim it wasn't their fault since the backdoor existed in the first place? No. Granted, HS players come in all different maturity levels, but stealing e-money just because it can be done and then not only declining to say my fault but also saying earum cupla instead are signs of a d-bag. Unix, just accept you have made a wrong decision by taking money, even if it were to prove a point, and stop being so indignant about the consequences.

[omni]

I really enjoyed reading all five pages of this argument. So far as I can tell, the two sides-proUnix and proSpid- have filled this thread with their arguments, and no one from the other side is comprehending what's being said. Lets be real: this is a 2D mmo game from the 20th century, albeit a pretty cool one, and whining about moderator power abuse or player glitch abuse isn't something predictive (5 full pages of rapesause?). That being said, players, aka Unix, shouldn't exploit a weakness just because it's there. In real life, do people steal couple million from CitiBank online just because they find out a backdoor password, and then claim it wasn't their fault since the backdoor existed in the first place? No. Granted, HS players come in all different maturity levels, but stealing e-money just because it can be done and then not only declining to say my fault but also saying earum cupla instead are signs of a d-bag. Unix, just accept you have made a wrong decision by taking money, even if it were to prove a point, and stop being so indignant about the consequences.

 

That's pretty much what I said 3 pages ago.

[Cheese]

that is what everyone has been saying

 

spidernl is dumb, and unix is a douchebag

[espo]

that is what everyone has been saying

 

spidernl is dumb, and unix is a douchebag

 

 

Pretty much sums it all up right there.

[op2rules]

Lol i can't believe people are still talking about this

[omnomnom]

I really enjoyed reading all five pages of this argument. So far as I can tell, the two sides-proUnix and proSpid- have filled this thread with their arguments, and no one from the other side is comprehending what's being said. Lets be real: this is a 2D mmo game from the 20th century, albeit a pretty cool one, and whining about moderator power abuse or player glitch abuse isn't something predictive (5 full pages of rapesause?). That being said, players, aka Unix, shouldn't exploit a weakness just because it's there. In real life, do people steal couple million from CitiBank online just because they find out a backdoor password, and then claim it wasn't their fault since the backdoor existed in the first place? No. Granted, HS players come in all different maturity levels, but stealing e-money just because it can be done and then not only declining to say my fault but also saying earum cupla instead are signs of a d-bag. Unix, just accept you have made a wrong decision by taking money, even if it were to prove a point, and stop being so indignant about the consequences.

 

Yes, according to how society thinks, what Unix did was clearly wrong. However, Unix's argument is that its not illegal, until the virtually all-purpose "lameness clause" came in.

 

However, I would not just say society's opinion=the right opinion. I posted in here thinking that. Good and evil, right and wrong, don't exist without tie-ins to other desires. A basic desire is life (for obvious reasons), and that is a way we can derive these things from. If you were just a floating, immortal entity chatting with another being just like that, the values would be up in the air. The act of stealing would be no exception. This is my opinion at any rate, although I do not take it entirely as I may be wrong.

[Bomook]

Yes, according to how society thinks, what Unix did was clearly wrong. However, Unix's argument is that its not illegal, until the virtually all-purpose "lameness clause" came in.

 

However, I would not just say society's opinion=the right opinion. I posted in here thinking that. Good and evil, right and wrong, don't exist without tie-ins to other desires. A basic desire is life (for obvious reasons), and that is a way we can derive these things from. If you were just a floating, immortal entity chatting with another being just like that, the values would be up in the air. The act of stealing would be no exception. This is my opinion at any rate, although I do not take it entirely as I may be wrong.

I think you're right, or on the right track at the very least. Justice varies depending on so many factors, like the demographic involved, the context of the situation, the rights of the individual, the needs of the many, and way more than I can name.

 

For example, in The U.S., what's a bigger injustice? Catching a gang member, and then letting him go scot-free, just because he agrees to testify against his gang leader (which would lead to catching and stopping all of that gang's activities, making the streets safer)? Or is it a bigger injustice to let a gang member who's stolen, murdered, and raped (and who'll probably do it again) many times go free, just because he makes the law's job easier?

 

Back to the topic, though, I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing with any side, as I didn't actually read all 5 pages. But just as an aside, skimming through this got me thinking about the evolution of the "lameness clause".

 

I'm the one who first added the "lameness clause" in its original form. And it was there as a warning, actually for the benefit of the players, and not the mods'. Originally, it was aimed at the kids who would obviously break an existing rule, and then claim they didn't because of some incredible supposition.

 

Some examples of what I mean:

Player A> FVCK YOU, PLAYER B! YOU NOOB SH1THEAD

Staff> Player A, stop swearing. *degrants*

Player A> WHEN DID I SWEAR?! I SAID "FVCK", NOT "FUCK" AND I SAID "SH1T" NOT, "SHIT" SO GIVE ME MY FVCKING MONEY BACK DUMBASS MOD

Player B> uhhh, Player A, you are an idiot

Staff> *facepalm*

 

or

 

Player A> YEAH, I JUST WON THE FLAG GAME SOLO! SUCK IT

Players B through I> yeah, by runwinning via running through the TW hub ad nauseam, which is illegal

Staff> Yeah, it does even say so explicitly in the help file *degrants*

Player A> YOU IDIOT MOD! RUNWINNING IS ENTERING A SECTOR AND IMMEDIATELY RUNNING BACK INTO THE HUB! I ENTERED THE SECTORS FOR A FULL 1.5 SECONDS BEFORE RUNNING BACK INTO THE TW HUB! THAT'S NOT INSTANT!

Staff plus Players B through I> *facepalm*

 

But then, some players amazed us with their creativity by doing things like summoning allies into the energy vortex, or summoning allies just to TK them. The list goes on. Once we realized that, because of certain douchebag players, finding new rules to break and new ways to grief players was outpacing the addition of new rules into the help file, and that's when my original warning took on more of a "If it feels like cheating, it probably is cheating" or "If you think it should be illegal, it probably is illegal" definition. But yeah, I still drop by the forums every once a while, and whenever I read a post about somebody obviously doing something wrong, and then claim it wasn't illegal, I chuckle.

[Kilo]

Bomook why would you necro this!

[Deathmonger]

This thread will be studied thousands of years from now in ethics classes.

[ArcticxWolf]

It's not a necro if the forum is dead, it's just a post.

[op2rules]

YAY I LOVE MYSELF! I LOVE OTHERS TOO! Let's go kill each other on Outpost 2 !