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Misou Angel Newbie

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What I find hilarious is, everyone in this thread saying the bot is a scam or a "Ponzi Scheme" has absolutely no money in the bot. How can you expect to claim it's a scambot when you have no money involved? At what point did your opinion matter that much?

 

I'm honestly a little irritated at the development of this though. I don't have as much invested as others, but what little I have I put in that bot in good faith. That good faith was abused by Unix, intentionally, and while HS doesn't support user-run bots, it should be noted that Unix did manage to scam the users out of their HS money putting those of us who were saving up for upgrades into a position of hardship. Yeah, we made the choice to put the money into the bot, we did so in the hopes that another user wouldn't ruin it for the rest of us.

 

I know it's going to be said that "Unix didn't scam, Spidernl taking the bot down is the reason you can't withdraw your money" along with other troll lines of "HAR HAR, YOU PUT MONEY IN A SCAMBOT, DERP" Unix did scam, he took money away from other players and as a preventive measure to make sure no one comes up shorthanded, he took down the bot as a means to keep things from getting out of hand. A million HS dollars is gone, if the bot was still up at this moment, someone would be shorthanded, if not several people.

P Nut Newbie

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What I find hilarious is, everyone in this thread saying the bot is a scam or a "Ponzi Scheme" has absolutely no money in the bot. How can you expect to claim it's a scambot when you have no money involved? At what point did your opinion matter that much?

cool logic bro

 

I know it's going to be said that "Unix didn't scam, Spidernl taking the bot down is the reason you can't withdraw your money" along with other troll lines of "HAR HAR, YOU PUT MONEY IN A SCAMBOT, DERP" Unix did scam, he took money away from other players and as a preventive measure to make sure no one comes up shorthanded, he took down the bot as a means to keep things from getting out of hand. A million HS dollars is gone, if the bot was still up at this moment, someone would be shorthanded, if not several people.

Incorrect. The bot had about 2m in capital. If everyone withdrew only the original donators would have lost money. And since they weren't expecting it back, ever, it is hardly a loss.

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Misou Angel Newbie

Misou Angel

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Logic is for losers. My point is valid and until you have something to show me saying that you have something invested in this bot, or it's process, your opinion is worthless.

 

Cool edit bro.

What capital? That money was funding for the interest. That money belonged to those of us who actually had a stake in the bot. Unix's action wasn't just taking "Capital" His actions directly took away from players who have a legitimate complaint with this whole thing. You, P Nut and Cheese, have no opinion to post here. You had no money involved and since you're not even arguing on behalf of the players who could lose out from a scam, you have no reason to be in this thread wasting time better spent on other things. Instead we have users who have to sort through several bullshit posts claiming it's a scam from users who never had, and probably never will have, money sitting on this bot.

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Misou Angel Newbie

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You point is invalid until you show me why I should invest in this bot if I was wholly against it.

 

I don't have to show you anything. You don't have anything invested in this bot, your opinion means shit here. Go away.

Kilo Newbie

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What I find hilarious is, everyone in this thread saying the bot is a scam or a "Ponzi Scheme" has absolutely no money in the bot. How can you expect to claim it's a scambot when you have no money involved?

 

all userbots that involve money are scams or ponzi schemes or casinos (fancy word for something that takes your money over time.) even if a bot is honestly run or designed to not earn any profit, there's the chance it goes offline forever or has its database corrupted or lost or something. the people running these bots bill these bots as if those aren't possibilities (or are immune to bugs,) and also have no insurance to cover anything that does come up. take your pick, they're all scams.

 

now that i have explained what everyone else already realized, realize that saying this isn't trolling. maybe saying "scam bot" and nothing else in a thread like this is trolling just because it's so easy to reduce all of these issues down to the same root. the idea it represents is not trolling, though.

 

if you accept that any money you put into a user bot you might never get back, then have fun with the user bots, they're fun and all if you accept that. if you don't, then don't use them.

P Nut Newbie

P Nut

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You aren't even making any points. You just strut in here telling people their opinion means nothing. Not even giving any valid reasons why, either. You're just talking hot air. If anything, I would say your opinion is invalid because you did have money invested in the bot. That's what we call conflict of interest.
spidernl Newbie

spidernl

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Never mind. P Nut meant the 2m capital as money to pay interest with.

 

Edit: There's one thing though, P Nut, and that's that the donators were not donating to give free money to Unix.

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Misou Angel Newbie

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You aren't even making any points. You just strut in here telling people their opinion means nothing. Not even giving any valid reasons why, either. You're just talking hot air. If anything, I would say your opinion is invalid because you did have money invested in the bot. That's what we call conflict of interest.

I've made plenty of points. You're just failtrolling it up by ignoring them or just ignoring my posts completely. And how is it a conflict of interest? The fact that I have money invested in this bot mean that my opinion, at the very least, is far more valuable then yours. We all know how you operate P Nut, You see something that other users might toy with, you scream scam. You foam at the mouth for a chance to scream "I told you so" when something happens. You're a bigger attention whore then Tom Cruise leaping on Oprah's couch.

 

You can't honestly bring any valid points to this argument, you're not defending anyone's idea or any rights for the players, you have nothing involved with this bot, or the development of it or this situation. Tell me P Nut, where does your opinion matter? At what point does it matter?

Hell, you're not even alerting the public of a possible scam, no, you're jerkin your dick to the fact that someone figured out how to screw up a good thing and acting like it validates anything you've said in this thread.

 

Sorry bub, it hasn't. Your opinion is worthless here, you're just a bystander with a loud mouth and no soapbox to stand on.

P Nut Newbie

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Oh god, I lol'd hard. You either haven't read a single thing I have said or have zero comprehension skills. The title of the thread is UB-HyperBank. I was expressing my concerns of how it operated. I don't need to have a stake in the bot to be concerned about it or the people that use it. Obviously, I do care what happens to everyones' money. Your opinion is no greater than mine. It is equal. We are both players of this game and we both have opposing views. That does not make one worth more than the other. I never once said, "I told you so" because I never once expressed my thoughts on the bot before this thread. (Not that it matters anyway; the incident had nothing to do with what I was concerned about) This thread seemed like the appropriate place to have a healthy discussion about the bot. I also never said that this bot was a scam.

 

However, now that Spider has cleared a few things up, I no longer have any concern. He assured me that interest would not be distributed once the donations are depleted.

 

But none of that matters to you, does it? You aren't here to talk about the bot, the way it's operated, or the incident with Unix. Clearly you are here to talk about me.

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Misou Angel Newbie

Misou Angel

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You're that important to me P Nut. That's why you're first on my ignore.txt.

I've read all your posts, lets go over them shall we?

 

So you're going to hold 10m of everyone's money hostage because of your design choice? Don't make innocent players responsible for this. The only logical move to do now is return everyone's money without interest and shut down the bot. The entire concept behind this bot is a Ponzi scheme and would have been bound to fail sooner or later. It is better this incident happened before the system collapsed, possibly scamming the majority of people that used it.

 

Also, a harmless arena message is hardly abuse, Dav. Masaru knows nothing about bots, he should not be held accountable by any means.

 

While I can clearly see you're speaking on behalf of the players, your jumping head first by calling it a Ponzi scheme. In HS PubChat, it's always a scam bot, players are going to lose their money and they are fools for trusting Spidernl in the first place.

 

I'm not saying you are intentionally scamming people. The current arrangement to yield interest is a clear definition of a Ponzi scheme.

 

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from any actual profit earned.

 

 

Now, I understand your ultimate goal is to have a loan system. I, however, do not see that ever being possible without the bot being assisted by staff power. Since I do not see or sense any concerted effort in this direction, I can only assess the bot for what it is currently. Ponzious.

 

Oh, Lets blatantly ignore what Spider has said in response and stick to it being a scam, again, Ponzi Scheme. I mean, lets first ignore the fact that Spidernl is jrmod. Let's also ignore the fact that this isn't the first time he's made a bot and those previous bots didn't turn out to be scambots. Let's also ignore Spidernl's character. Ok, Maybe he could be scamming us, if we ignore all that.

On the other hand, how about we don't ignore it and look at the facts head on.

1. I seriously doubt that any of the higher-ups would look all that kindly at Spidernl scamming the players of HS. His position is one of authority and that means that he must set an example for others, not just in chat, but in his actions while logged into HS. Willfully disregarding his position would cost him his jrmod status and quickly make him as popular as PC. (I wouldn't even wish that on you P Nut.)

2. His other bots. Out of the time I've spent in HS, and the conversations I've had with him about bots, I've yet to see anything that actually comes close to being a scam bot. It makes no sense, why keep developing bots for use in HS if you're gonna scam your potential users?

3. I've had the pleasure of getting to know Spidernl, and while he can be a bit of an ass, which same could be said of anyone, doubly so of me, I just don't see it in him to spend all this time developing a bot, putting his own money into it, just for the express purpose of a Ponzi scheme. Much less any other bot. If I even began to think that my HS funds were not safe in his hands (Or his bots hands) I wouldn't use the service, at all. It'd be much easier, and safer for me to create an alias and to just put money on that account. I'm sorry, I just don't see it possible.

 

There's a few more posts after this, most of which are of you and spider tossing around the topic of what a ponzi sceme is and where the HS Bankbot falls into this, what term should apply to those backing this and how suspicious it was for Spider to suddenly mention that once the interest funding ran out, that would be it for that. Which isn't so surprising considering the amount of money involved and the number of players involved in this, it'd be nothing short of stupid for Spider to fund the interest rate on a perm-basis.

Then there's my post and your instant failtrolling.

You want to stick to the whole I'm not paying attention or I'm too stupid to understand anything that's been said?

Still laking a soapbox there P Nut.

 

Weebles, The fact that you've got that saved just proves how pathetic you really are. Got any more you'd like to share with the class? Or maybe you'd just like to sit there at your computer and stroke your neckbeard some more?

spidernl Newbie

spidernl

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Misou, I discussed this with P Nut ingame, the reason he thought the bot wasn't quite safe was because he didn't know exactly how the interest would be funded + EDIT: and what would happen should

money run out. Also, can people either post something semi-useful or just off? Trollwar 2.0 is getting old by now.

 

Note to those who do have money on the bot: I've got a 500k donation from 2 players (for those bad at math: 2*500k = 1000k = 1m) so the bot will be back up

again soon. Just need to finish the new version.

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P Nut Newbie

P Nut

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In HS PubChat, it's always a scam bot, players are going to lose their money and they are fools for trusting Spidernl in the first place.

Show me logs where I said anything like that.

 

I'm not saying you are intentionally scamming people
Oh, Lets blatantly ignore what Spider has said in response and stick to it being a scam, again, Ponzi Scheme. I mean, lets first ignore the fact that Spidernl is jrmod. Let's also ignore the fact that this isn't the first time he's made a bot and those previous bots didn't turn out to be scambots. Let's also ignore Spidernl's character. Ok, Maybe he could be scamming us, if we ignore all that.

On the other hand, how about we don't ignore it and look at the facts head on.

1. I seriously doubt that any of the higher-ups would look all that kindly at Spidernl scamming the players of HS. His position is one of authority and that means that he must set an example for others, not just in chat, but in his actions while logged into HS. Willfully disregarding his position would cost him his jrmod status and quickly make him as popular as PC. (I wouldn't even wish that on you P Nut.)

2. His other bots. Out of the time I've spent in HS, and the conversations I've had with him about bots, I've yet to see anything that actually comes close to being a scam bot. It makes no sense, why keep developing bots for use in HS if you're gonna scam your potential users?

3. I've had the pleasure of getting to know Spidernl, and while he can be a bit of an ass, which same could be said of anyone, doubly so of me, I just don't see it in him to spend all this time developing a bot, putting his own money into it, just for the express purpose of a Ponzi scheme. Much less any other bot. If I even began to think that my HS funds were not safe in his hands (Or his bots hands) I wouldn't use the service, at all. It'd be much easier, and safer for me to create an alias and to just put money on that account. I'm sorry, I just don't see it possible.

Let's blatantly ignore me saying it's not a scam too. Maybe then you'll have something to argue about.

 

 

You want to stick to the whole I'm not paying attention or I'm too stupid to understand anything that's been said?
Yes. Keep replying, though. I love watching you fall on your face. It's getting funnier and funnier. Edited by P Nut
omnomnom Newbie

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Well, once the bot comes back up ima omnomnom it :p

 

I guess this bot isnt trying to make money... that would appear to be unusual. I could always wonder the likeihood of bot money runaways, but otherwise I guess its ok. I would not deposit all your money in there though: just extra that you (of course) don't want to lose but if so would deal with it just fine. Thats the way userbots work in HS: you cant expect your money, but you can hope you do.

 

EDIT: A loan system would be interesting in the future. Maybe they should have the money in the bot at least to the amount of the loan. But, the loan dont subtract your balance, so you get the same interest. Then as you pay off loans (with interest) the bot slowly allows you to offer more than your balance...

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