Feminism

[mineRBot89]

Came across this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADylz6XoeWg

 

Opinions/Comments/Discuss:

[Bak]

seems rather one-sided.

 

also why is having the birth rate growing the goal of our society again?

[Simulacrum]

To quote the comments, it's easy to win a debate when you're both sides.

[Aileron]

Thank you for posting this...

 

As a 26 yr old virgin headed to Afghanistan in a few months, this means a lot to me. I am a far cry from a loser who would deserve the virgin treatment. I am intelligent, physically fit, financially stable, mature, and have a pair of balls. If I lacked any of these qualities, I wouldn't be able to do my job, and I assure you that I do my job *very* well. In short, I am a *man* competing with a bunch of *boys*. I actually did the right thing and waited past high school and college; until I was emotionally and financially ready to support a family, before I started seeking to create one. And what do I get in reward for my patience? Most of the single women in my age group are divorces with children who just *had* to 'experiment' in their youth. In any kind of functional society, those boys wouldn't be able to compete with me at all. But feminists need to control everything, so they prefer the effeminate, childish, undisciplined, irresponsible, and unreliable boys because they can be pushed this way and that. They dislike *men* who are unyielding and stand firm amidst the storm, for better or for worse, for richer or poorer. In short, boys make better toys for one-night-stands. Men make better husbands for life.

 

This isn't to say that I could be a husband or a father in my present state. The years of solitude have left me bitter and full of hate. At times I wonder if it were not for the oaths I have taken, that I would not stand against Sharia Law at all, or if that I might even join their mad quest for domination. At this point the selfish part of me would rather have the attractive women wear burkas than have to put up with them mocking me with their 'look but do not touch' crap. If she won't give me the time of day regardless, I'd rather not have to look at her in miniskirts and fishnets. I'd much rather have her wear a sheet and spare me the temptation.

 

And that is why I can never be a family man. Not only regarding this issue, but with many issues, I have been pushed farther than my capacity to forgive. I am not strong enough to overcome that much hate on all 365 days in a year. I would sooner or later slip up and bring pain upon my potential wife or children. I will never be able to raise a family nor have a normal life, and without family, there's no point in the rest of it. The only aspirations I have at this point is to die in combat somewhere in Afghanistan and take as many of those Taliban bastards out with me as I can.

 

That cartoon is clear proof that at least a few people realize that there is a problem; that this situation isn't virtuous but rather a sick perversion of how things should be. With even a few individuals, there is hope that there will eventually be a reaction, and mayhaps a mass movement towards a holier more fulfilling lifestyle. When that day comes in this life or the next, I will celebrate.

 

So thank you for posting that cartoon. It gives me precious hope that I will need in the days ahead.

[»Lynx]

Haha, reading that just made me happy.

[Audry]

Okay... hold on just there...

 

So for you... the only solution were to not have any sexual relation? Because condoms, birthcontrol pills, intrauterine device and such really do not exist for the people that actually wants to be mature and responsible of their acts...

 

Oooooooookay.. keep going

[»Purge]

Thank you for posting this...

 

As a 26 yr old virgin headed to Afghanistan in a few months, this means a lot to me. I am a far cry from a loser who would deserve the virgin treatment. I am intelligent, physically fit, financially stable, mature, and have a pair of balls. If I lacked any of these qualities, I wouldn't be able to do my job, and I assure you that I do my job *very* well. In short, I am a *man* competing with a bunch of *boys*. I actually did the right thing and waited past high school and college; until I was emotionally and financially ready to support a family, before I started seeking to create one. And what do I get in reward for my patience? Most of the single women in my age group are divorces with children who just *had* to 'experiment' in their youth. In any kind of functional society, those boys wouldn't be able to compete with me at all. But feminists need to control everything, so they prefer the effeminate, childish, undisciplined, irresponsible, and unreliable boys because they can be pushed this way and that. They dislike *men* who are unyielding and stand firm amidst the storm, for better or for worse, for richer or poorer. In short, boys make better toys for one-night-stands. Men make better husbands for life.

 

This isn't to say that I could be a husband or a father in my present state. The years of solitude have left me bitter and full of hate. At times I wonder if it were not for the oaths I have taken, that I would not stand against Sharia Law at all, or if that I might even join their mad quest for domination. At this point the selfish part of me would rather have the attractive women wear burkas than have to put up with them mocking me with their 'look but do not touch' crap. If she won't give me the time of day regardless, I'd rather not have to look at her in miniskirts and fishnets. I'd much rather have her wear a sheet and spare me the temptation.

 

And that is why I can never be a family man. Not only regarding this issue, but with many issues, I have been pushed farther than my capacity to forgive. I am not strong enough to overcome that much hate on all 365 days in a year. I would sooner or later slip up and bring pain upon my potential wife or children. I will never be able to raise a family nor have a normal life, and without family, there's no point in the rest of it. The only aspirations I have at this point is to die in combat somewhere in Afghanistan and take as many of those Taliban bastards out with me as I can.

 

That cartoon is clear proof that at least a few people realize that there is a problem; that this situation isn't virtuous but rather a sick perversion of how things should be. With even a few individuals, there is hope that there will eventually be a reaction, and mayhaps a mass movement towards a holier more fulfilling lifestyle. When that day comes in this life or the next, I will celebrate.

 

So thank you for posting that cartoon. It gives me precious hope that I will need in the days ahead.

You haven't been outside your city much, have you? Because I know a few girls that have the same "problems" (frankly, I'd regard them as personal insecurities, i.e. a part of your fascinating personality as a human) as you, but are in no position to give up so quickly because they know the world doesn't contain only greedy bastards of the opposite sex.

 

Although it's unfortunate that most girls in your age group you've stumbled upon apparently "experimented" and messed up your dream of starting a traditionally "functional" family, you obviously didn't put a lot of effort in trying new approaches to attract your "type" of women. And, as Audry said, the women who allegedly "experimented" are not immature or stupid people. You'd be surprised how much more mature and wise a woman can be after those types of experiences (same goes for men). They've gotten to understand the nature of true relationships through their bad experiences and would be better equipped to handle a long-term relationship, such as marriage, than someone with no relationship experience at all (your case).

 

Honestly, as someone who grew up in New York, I've witnessed so many social changes that rooted from New York and spread to the rest of the world. I'm sure as an American you know what I mean. You were raised in a country that changes other countries, but you want to adopt the conservative and traditional ideals of Sharia Islam? I can personally tell you through experience, having roots in a part Muslim and very conservative country, that even a very conservative American will have problems with conservative Islam, irrespective of the American's religion. You are not attracted to Islam. You are attracted to the well-mannered and "well-moral" woman that you perceive to be mostly compatible with yourself. And there are probably millions of them in America.

 

So, my advice to you, don't run onto the battlefield in Afghanistan in a few months looking to have yourself killed. Instead, calm down and accept the reality that not most women are perceptively perfect but are great lifelong partners, nonetheless. You just have to put in some effort (or else no woman would put out ) to really get to know the woman. Rushing these kinds of relationships are also sure to fail since long-term relationships need time to build. Since you have a few months until your departure, try that. Then you may have someone to hope to return to when you come back from your service.

[Aileron]

Hey, I reserve the right to post my mind when drunk.

 

Audry, you've missed the point entirely. Sex isn't important. The emotional and spiritual bonds which come from a life-long partnership are what is important. However, because of the feminist movement and the 'free love' movement of the 60's, our entire society is convinced that the physical act is central, when in reality it is a sideshow.

 

Love isn't about sex; it is about commitment. The things you speak of are ways to engage in sex without the commitment. I *want* the commitment and don't care about the sex. The difficulty lies in the fact that feminists don't want to commit. They want the boytoy of the month with a condom.

 

That is because love requires that both sides sacrifice for each other, and it goes against all things feminist for a woman to sacrifice things she wants for a man, even if he is making sacrifices for her. The closest a feminist can come to love is to have the man sacrifice for the woman, and she enjoys receiving. The problem is that all win-lose relationships inevitably collapse, which is perhaps why divorce rates are so high.

 

 

 

Purge, yes I admit to the general fact that I work too much and don't get out enough, and I will admit that I only have to find one out of a population of millions. However, the 'hook up now for a few months and ask her to wait out a year-long deployment' approach just isn't realistic. I'd have to wait until after I get back, then get started. And that Sharia Law spiel wasn't genuine...just my little way of pointing out that between radical Islamicism and radical Secularism, I don't like *either* option. I took an oath to defend democracy, not to spread the reach of globalist secularist socialism. If feminists want to spread their ideals to Afghanistan, they should have to do it themselves.

[Audry]

I didnt miss anything at all, i was only pointing out one thing in what you said.

[PoLiX]

Problem is, you sound like a buddy of mine. He JUST finally at age 31 gave up, had a 1 night stand, and within a few months found a woman he loves and is planning to marry. He passed up many chances because he felt the girl didn't want a commitment, etc. Finally after breaking his akwardness he began dating many different girls (only slept with 1 other, doesn't always have to be sex...) and that is how he met her.

 

The fact of the matter is, it has been proven again and again, no matter which side of the sex, virgins have the most trouble socially connecting with the opposite sex. Having a 1 night stand is nothing to be ashamed of, and in some cases can expand your horizon/take some stress off. The girl isn't a slut for wanting it, she is just normal. Females have the same urges males do, just not as constant as we do. Theirs just builds up, or a bit of alcohol, drugs, etc. helps bring it out. Ours is raging 24/7/365 for most all of our lives.

 

My wife was a 1 night stand that repeated a few times, and then we eventually began dating, living together, getting engaged, and now married.

 

So really, it isn't all about your social status, how smart you are, or if you are financially stable. It is about someone who is your best friend, someone you can connect with, have a good time with, enjoy yourself with, and spend time with. Just talk to the girls, even if you just become friends with them, typically they have friends who are, guess what? also girls. And normally, your friends friends are the ones you end up having some of the best relationships with.

[Dr Brain]

I disagree. It may be harder, but it's worth it to find that person. Lowering your bar until anyone will do isn't a good way to build a foundation that will last the rest of your life.

[»Lynx]

Audry, you've missed the point entirely. Sex isn't important.

 

Yeah, a lot of virgins say that. Jump off the white horse and loosen up, you'll probably have some fun and thank yourself for it.

[Dr Brain]

You seem to imply that those virgins are wrong. Ever considered that they're looking for something else in a relationship? Wonder why the divorce rate is as high as it is?

[»Lynx]

As he said, he is a man - and despite being the manliest man alive, with a job that requires loads of balls, cannot compete with the competition; which are, and I quote, 'a bunch of *boys*'. His rationality is that these boys are winning all the girls over because they have the advantage of being 'effeminate, childish, undisciplined, irresponsible, and unreliable'. He then goes on to mutter that he couldn't actually be a husband at his present state, because, and I quote: 'The years of solitude have left me bitter and full of hate.'.

 

Clearly, he is an unhappy, single angry man, living in solitude in need of a serious lifestyle change. Oh I mean, unless your vision of happiness is bitter and full of hate, then I am wrong. Also, I am not advising he should be promiscuous, but I am definitely saying it's probably time he limits how long he spends in solitude, and increases the time he spends socialising. Law of averages will eventually find him a girl that is as fucked up as he is, with the same twisted views, who can be happy with him.

[Drake7707]

I can relate with Aileron, I'm in a somewhat similar position. It's frustrating to see everyone that you know get together with someone and are married or are on the verge to do so while you're left behind in the dust. I think it's perfectly normal to be jealous about it too, after all, we live in a society where we HAVE to meet someone, HAVE to live together and/or get married and have kids.

 

I agree though that it's also dependent on what kind of a person you are, me being mainly introverted who doesn't like going out to a bar or party but prefers to play an MMO with a close set of friends. If I did more of an effort to go to places to meet people I might have found someone I liked already, but that wouldn't be me and I doubt I would like the people I meet at a party anyway.

 

Also let those feminists do their thing, they are still a minority and sooner or later they are going to crash and burn while those worked hard to build a stable relationship will swoop past their miserable life anyway.

 

 

And finally /zing at the end of the clip

[Guest ***CELLPH0NE]

You guys have to understand that it's also dependent on what kind of a person you are, me being mainly introverted where I don't like going out to a bar or party but prefers to play Continuum with a close set of friends. If I did more of an effort to go to places to meet people I might have found a girl I liked already, but that wouldn't be me and I doubt I would like the girl I met at a party anyway.

[Simulacrum]

I'm struggling to see what various people's relationship troubles have to do with feminism.

[Guest ***CELLPH0NE]

I'm struggling to see what various people's relationship troubles have to do with feminism.

I'm struggling to see what you're fucking problem is buddy.

[Simulacrum]

I'm not your buddy, pal.

[»Lynx]

It's just another games board, shit rarely ever stays on topic; especially when the video is as stupid as this one (although it did make me chuckle at some parts).

[Drake7707]

it's also dependent on what kind of a person you are, me being mainly introverted who doesn't like going out to a bar or party but prefers to play an MMO with a close set of friends. If I did more of an effort to go to places to meet people I might have found someone I liked already, but that wouldn't be me and I doubt I would like the people I meet at a party anyway.

 

it's also dependent on what kind of a person you are, me being mainly introverted where I don't like going out to a bar or party but prefers to play Continuum with a close set of friends. If I did more of an effort to go to places to meet people I might have found a girl I liked already, but that wouldn't be me and I doubt I would like the girl I met at a party anyway.

 

I've been cloned! aaah

[»Lynx]

lol newb fail

[Simulacrum]

It's just another games board, shit rarely ever stays on topic; especially when the video is as stupid as this one (although it did make me chuckle at some parts).

I mean… I'm being a little coy in an attempt to get Aileron to spell out more clearly what he thinks the problem is, and how feminism is causing it. But here's what I see:

 

Aileron sees himself as mistreated in not getting laid: "I am a far cry from a loser who would deserve the virgin treatment." A couple of things are done here to make Aileron's sex life look like a moral cause rather than a personal inconvenience. First, sex is treated as something that he can deserve; by doing the right things and having the right qualities, he works his way into a position where he is entitled to sex. Second, his virginity comes from a "treatment," an action, rather than a non-action. The framing here is that someone, or something, has to take an active role in causing him to be a virgin; it's not something that would just come about by a bunch of people all choosing not to have sex with Aileron.

 

Feminists will obviously disagree with the idea that anyone can deserve to have sex with anyone by claim of merit. There is precisely one way that you can deserve to have sex with someone, and that is by that person's consent. Aileron's standard, on the other hand, is that women should want to fuck you if you're a manly enough man and you'll be able to raise their kids. It's not really a surprise that he's going by his own standards of what an attractive man should be rather than the standards of women; the crux of his assumption here is that he can deserve sex on his own, regardless of what anyone else has to say about the matter. We see this idea repeated when he minimizes women's right to be attractive without consenting to sex ("mocking me with their 'look but do not touch' crap"). The theme is that women's self-determination over their sex lives is an affront to Aileron's rights rather than an assertion of their own.

 

Here, too, is repeated the idea that women are going out of their way to make Aileron not be having sex. They're mocking him. They're giving him the virgin treatment. Or, y'know. Maybe they just don't feel like having sex with him, and don't see general sexual availability as a precondition for looking good.

 

As Aileron describes it, his qualifications for deserving sex boil down to his conventional masculinity, and particularly his ability to provide for a family. By contrasting himself with "effeminate" rivals, he establishes a masculine/feminine opposition between "*men* who are unyielding and stand firm amidst the storm, for better or for worse, for richer or poorer" and "childish, undisciplined, irresponsible, and unreliable boys." The problem with feminists seems to be that they do not fit this gender model: they are unyielding in their desire to "control everything," usurping the man's role at the head of the relationship; they reject the need for providers like Aileron, instead seeking income of their own; they choose to date people who are not as masculine as the 1950s middle-class standard. These are all attributes that Aileron praises in men, but in women they point to the moral disorder of society.

 

When I said that I did't see the connection of people's relationship problems to feminism, I think I was reacting to those responses that reassure Aileron that, it's OK, women will still have sex with you even though you hate them. To me, these responses seem to maintain Aileron's assumption that feminism is only even potentially all right so long as, at the end of the day, we men don't have to change anything about ourselves and can still get laid. Fuck that. If women's equality means that we have to act differently, then refusing to change would not be "a mass movement towards a holier more fulfilling lifestyle." It would be an assertion that women's rights aren't as important as our penises. And that, I hope we can agree, is some bull shit.