STFU Extreme CTF

[Resol]

Not sure who runs the STFU server, but I as a zone owner of many zones over the years don't think you should be allowed to set up a zone with other peoples work, unless of coarse you have permission.

 

So I was basically just wondering if this zone was set up with permission to use MG's lvz work or if it was stolen and put up.

[»Purge]

I think STFU is run by db (who owns Anything Goes).

[No_Remorse]

The owner of this zone is "special"

[Audry]

I'm speaking with "darky123" who's set as the owner of the zone... he claims he has freakmonger permission (isn't Testtube still the owner of MG tho? haha)

 

Quick Edit: apparently freak gave them all the bot plugins aswell...

Edited October 22, 2010 by Audry

[L.C.]

Not sure who runs the STFU server, but I as a zone owner of many zones over the years don't think you should be allowed to set up a zone with other peoples work, unless of coarse you have permission.

I disagree because then power and control would be imposed on an otherwise free realm (and it is a free realm, at least in Subspace outside of SSC). Sure, I agree that it is unethical to use other people's work without their permission let alone crediting them at the very least, but guess what: the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

 

It's a good thing because it's what keeps this game alive, and that's what counts. OOH ITS SOMEONE ELSES WORK ITS STOLEDEDED -- so what? Chances are that "someone else" doesn't play this game any longer, and so if we were absolutely mortally required to gain permission, then a lot of things would be dead, never have occurred, etcetera (if you're for THE game, then this shouldn't be your focus or bother you at all, otherwise you're missing the point).

 

Almost along the lines of the U.S. Copyright and Patent office.. the whole system needs to be redesigned from ground up.

 

I don't mean to come across as disrespectful or rough or anything, but I believe these are the facts. Seriously, especially in the conditions this game is in now as far as population and how many people continue to stay with this game, do you think anyone really gives a poo? If you ask me, it would be all about epeen (power and control would be inherited by epeen).

 

Speaking of which, Audrey, how big is yours? I saw it dangling down the street the other day.

 

 

 

Just kidding Audrey!

Edited October 22, 2010 by L.C.

[Audry]

Well honestly, giving a dead zone that will never regain population to SonicVI (darky123) isn't going to help this game.

 

If at least they wanted to do something good with it. No, all the kid wants is have his little powertrip.

 

I went in the zone for about 15 minutes, under alias. Started talking with him, asking question. He was nice and answered, asking me to get in and play, but i was busy with a friend on msn (helping shopping for shoes!!!! I do know my priorities in life!!) Didn't took long, the kid started to pm me "answer me or i ban you". Told him i was busy, then he saw my post here and understood i was, hehe me. Then he started telling me he was gonna ban me etc. I got annoyed as i was busy, so told him to STFU or ban me already. i ended up banned

 

(BTW dont trust this kid. Change your pw before login in the zone.)

[»freakmonger]

Uhh no I didn't?

[darky123]

rofl

 

freakmonger:You've been notified to remove all SSCC Metal Gear CTF lvz's/graphics/etc within 72 hours or face the zone being banned from directory servers and having your Host face possible actions taken against them

 

hes hatin on me

[Resol]

I agree with you L.C. to a point, but not when there is already an exact zone of what they are trying to remake. Its just pointless.

 

I can see using someones work as an idea or a reference point, but not to make a replica of a zone and try to call it your own. There is no need to have twin zones. Using peoples work and making something else out of it is different, although my morals tell me to use with permission.

[Samapico]

use with permission AND give appropriate credit, otherwise expect to get a lot of shit from people

[Dav]

unfortunately a zone set up non SSC is more or less untouchable. On a plus it will be more or less ignored as well.

[»Purge]

Not even the sparingly original non-SSC zones get attention, anyway. Once it's off the directory servers there will be even less hope for it.

[Cheese]

this is like creemy and desert storm all over again

[Drake7707]

Of course the only way to 1-up this is to restart the original Metal Gear CTF on SSCC *hint* *hint*

[Sketter]

Can I know why you want to ban a zone from directory list for using content from a dead and abandon zone?

What is the goal in this?

 

I know what SSC's policy say, but, i think someone should start talking about reforms since time has changed from the glories days to a time of dwindling light. I just don't believe you can hold the same standers from 10 years ago when things have changed a lot, and being faced with evanescing.

[Resol]

Can I know why you want to ban a zone from directory list for using content from a dead and abandon zone?

What is the goal in this?

 

I know what SSC's policy say, but, i think someone should start talking about reforms since time has changed from the glories days to a time of dwindling light. I just don't believe you can hold the same standers from 10 years ago when things have changed a lot, and being faced with evanescing.

 

I didn't realize that freakmonger was shutting down SSCC. At the time of this post it was still up. And regardless of if its dead or not, the content is still property of the zones respective owner(s).

 

I am 100% pro development, and obviously if SSCC Metal Gear has died out, recreating the zone, using the same exact map and graphics is not going to bring it back. And according the SSCouncil policies, a zone must have original content, otherwise it will not be allowed to connect to the SSC billing network.

 

With that said, I don't see any zones gaining attention outside of SSC, so I do agree with a little bit of a policy reform as well.

[»Lynx]

Metal Gear, like Continuum is abandon-ware, it should be free for anybody to use... If the operators of a zone using abandon-ware are noobs, which is clearly the case here, then they shouldn't be allowed onto the SSC network - otherwise, there should be nothing stopping them from trying to recreate Metal Gear as best they can.

[»gallitin]

I didn't realize that freakmonger was shutting down SSCC. At the time of this post it was still up.

It's been down for at least a month I think.

[No_Remorse]

Communists justify stealing because they say property is theft. Most people think stealing is wrong.

[»Lynx]

Stealing from who? Unless the creators of the original works are really pissed by a dead zone using another even more dead zones works, I really don't see how this is an issue.

[L.C.]

Metal Gear, like Continuum is abandon-ware, it should be free for anybody to use... If the operators of a zone using abandon-ware are noobs, which is clearly the case here, then they shouldn't be allowed onto the SSC network - otherwise, there should be nothing stopping them from trying to recreate Metal Gear as best they can.

Speaking of which, everyone in the council and all else who qualify should release all the SVS/VIE maps and settings that they can possibly find in their backups/archives/etc and make sure the world has them and that they cannot get lost. Edited October 29, 2010 by L.C.

[Dav]

abandon ware does apply to the game itself but i don't think it does to zones if the files have not been released. The works that make a zone are the property of the zone owners and developers (technically) and thus that/those person/s have a certain level of control over it.

[Samapico]

I think it's more a matter of ethics than legality...

 

0.02$

[»jabjabjab]

Since when has anyone obeyed this? Im sure the ships flying in ww3 in tw have had some agreement with the metal gear zone back in the day to use them? not. stolen.

 

 

Some things get noticed some dont. People can be jackasses about it. I had to deal with mage+ (l3x) for years. Issues are issues, but everything these days is shared. original credits is always lovely to have though, unless the literal images are copyrighted and suable. then you have a problem.

 

 

as STFU (original guys) goes, they are cool. Don't mess with those guys, I used to hang sometimes int he STFU region back in the day.