DSB To Go Offline

[Hoch]

DSB will not be going offline. I have reversed my previous decision.

 

A detailed explanation can be found here on the DSB boards:

 

http://forums.deathstarbattle.com/showthread.php?t=1749

 

Cheers,

 

-Hoch

Edited July 6, 2010 by Hoch

[LiDDiS]

Are you trying to kill SS even faster? Why do YOU get to say when it shuts down? It should be up to the players. YOU can stop paying for the servers etc, but why not let someone else carry on? Go out with 'glory'? In a spaceship game? I don't even play DSB but you sound like a narcissistic cock-sucker.

[Johnson]

I totally agree with LiDDiS. What is the POINT in shutting down a zone now? It's just going to make more people quit SS faster, plunging it into further decline. Idiotic decision.

[Delic]

This is a very selfish decision which SSC should not allow.

 

DSB is still one of the major zones in SubSpace that is keeping the game alive

The most tragic part about this is that DSB itself has the potential to revive itself.

There's been plenty of good ideas to make that happen...

 

DSB is suffering from the same thing that so many other great zones suffered: mismanagement.

[»Lynx]

If the zone owners decided the zone should be closed, then let them close it. It's not a huge deal; this is a player-run game. If somebody else wants to step up and make a rip-off zone then there's literally nothing stopping them other than a few insignificant points. Personally, I'd rather see zones be shut down than dwindle and face flocks of bad management.

 

Maybe this will also let some of the smaller zones get their chance at a population spike. Or whatever, really.

 

Good luck.

[Emit]

maek new zone

[»Ceiu]

This is an amazing idea! I should have taken this same approach with my grandfather and killed him at 60 years old rather than letting him live out his life, get old and die naturally 24 years later.

 

You, sir, are a visionary.

[LiDDiS]

If the zone owners decided the zone should be closed, then let them close it. It's not a huge deal; this is a player-run game. If somebody else wants to step up and make a rip-off zone then there's literally nothing stopping them other than a few insignificant points. Personally, I'd rather see zones be shut down than dwindle and face flocks of bad management.

 

Maybe this will also let some of the smaller zones get their chance at a population spike. Or whatever, really.

 

Good luck.

 

That's not what he's saying though. He's going to try and block anyone from making a new clone zone or taking over DSB. It's funny because he didn't even make DSB, he's just the guy that's been running it for a while. Too bad for him though, someone will step up and pay for a server, and DSB will keep on. And there's not a thing he can do about it. He is a Lawyer though, maybe he'll sue whoever takes over DSB. (HAHAHAHAHAHA)

[ilyaz]

llater,

tony

[Chambahs]

I think if someone tries to make a DSB clone, hoch will come out and perma-ban them. LAWLZ

 

Get owned continuum.

[Yupa]

Super boring zone anyways. 17th Parallel is almost back to its "classic" settings, maybe some people will go back there (and then suffer its own mismanagement anew!).

[L.C.]

Hoch, if you don't want it hosted, let me (SSCV/BlueT) me host it.

[»Purge]

I still didn't catch the part of "why" you're shutting the zone down...

[Samapico]

Super boring zone anyways. 17th Parallel is almost back to its "classic" settings, maybe some people will go back there (and then suffer its own mismanagement anew!).

I'm locked out of the zone now anyway, how fun (edit: read this topic to know why)

 

But yeah........ I'm sure someone out there will be willing to take over, or start something else from it. Going out on a high won't help anything, imo.

[Kilo]

How can anyone think it's a good idea to tell other people when to stop having fun playing the game? If DSB was a graveyard it'd be one thing, but it's not. If you want to stop hosting a server, or stop administrating, that's fine. Don't submit to defeat and assume your zone will never grow and thrive (more than it already is, sheesh) again. It might not, but it certainly won't if you don't give someone the chance to try. Edited June 14, 2010 by Kilo

[»Xog]

llater,

tony

 

this, pretty much. but you are not brookus. but yes, llater.

[TLordTango]

We, the players of SSCU Death Star Battle hereby humbly request the SubSpace Council to remove hoch as owner of SSCU Death Star Battle. Hoch has been appointed as sysop to look after the well being of DSB when loops & chy decided to move on. It has become obvious he longer has the well being of DSB at heart, when he, without consulting the community, decided to kill DSB prematurely. As such it is the obligation of every DSB player to take measures to remove hoch and appoint new leadership.

 

Sysops are appointed to look after the well being of the community, the development of the zone and the appointment of staff. Hoch has shown no interest in upholding these obligations, and therefore, we the players appeal to SSC to remove him.

 

Upper DSB staff consists of beer hunter, liito and angelu$. None of these players have shown any initiative to improve DSB the past year(s), or do anything but the bare minimum one might expect from a member of upper staff. Under hoch's guide the pro-active members of staff have one by one departed. This trend has been going on for years starting with staffers like mozart or wicked angel in '04/'05, and ending with the_snake past month. Now none are left.

 

The development of DSB has been structurally obstructed by hoch. Every effort to move to ASSS and exploit the possibilities of this server software has been shot down. Every effort to modernise league has met similar deaf ears. The marginal changes to pub have been poorly implemented by upper staff's unwillingness to co-operate. Is it strange then, that the zone stagnates?

 

Signals from the community have been long neglected by hoch's administration. By a refusal to make regular appearances on the zone and talk to players, he has more than shown his disdain for the community he hosts. An absent host is no host at all.

 

Steps have been made to secure a new server for DSB, and this clone stands ready. Should worst come to worst, we are ready to host a new DSB once the present one is disconnected from billing. We hope it does not come to this and that hoch departs peacefully, handing over the zone in tact.

 

For these reasons and more we request of the SubSpace Council to remove hoch as legitimate sysop of DSB, so that new leadership might take his place. We propose that the_snake will be appointed as new head sysop, so that he might appoint new sysops for league, development and moderation. Under his administration we hope that DSB might flourish once more.

 

Sincerely,

 

the undersigned.

 

Sign now at:

 

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/removehoch

[wO!]

someone stop this faggot from killing dsb!

[»Lynx]

If the zone owners decided the zone should be closed, then let them close it. It's not a huge deal; this is a player-run game. If somebody else wants to step up and make a rip-off zone then there's literally nothing stopping them other than a few insignificant points. Personally, I'd rather see zones be shut down than dwindle and face flocks of bad management.

 

Maybe this will also let some of the smaller zones get their chance at a population spike. Or whatever, really.

 

Good luck.

 

That's not what he's saying though. He's going to try and block anyone from making a new clone zone or taking over DSB. It's funny because he didn't even make DSB, he's just the guy that's been running it for a while. Too bad for him though, someone will step up and pay for a server, and DSB will keep on. And there's not a thing he can do about it. He is a Lawyer though, maybe he'll sue whoever takes over DSB. (HAHAHAHAHAHA)

 

How exactly can Hoch stop anybody making a rip-off? If he thinks he can do such a thing, then he's delusional. If the zone dies, it's just as abandon-ware as Subspace and Continuum are. The only people stopping players using maps and settings are the creators of the maps and settings, not the zone owners. There are plenty of people around that are willing to shell out money for hosting, or are already hosting zones and are happy to host new zones. Ultimately, Hoch manages the zone, and to the best of my knowledge pays the fees for the server. If he's serious about shutting down the zone, then the most sensible thing for anybody to do would be set up a similar zone, and prepare it for when DSB does finally go offline.

 

Personally, if Hoch is really preventing all of the development etcetera then this sounds like a god-send. Any developers who actually want to develop something new are free to. Top-end hosting is provided for free in the community by more than a few people, and it just leaves plenty of space for innovation.

 

As I said, good luck.

[Delic]

It would cause a major inconvenience to switch to a completely new server though.

We've seen how other zones actually died doing that, so if that can be avoided it would be good.

Then there's also the issue of who would get to make the new zone, because there's

more than just one group who can and would want to start it back up.

 

Therefore it would be in the best interest of the players and hence the SS community

if the council intervened and let us manage the zone as it is. Sign the petition ;P

[»Lynx]

Yeah, moving server is a pain in the arse, but there's nothing the council can do to help you other than ask Hoch to reconsider... Seeing as he's not listening to god knows how many players, I don't know how likely it is he will listen to the council. Either way, it's not like any action in Subspace is ever set in stone, and I'm sure there will be plenty of forewarning before he actually does pull the plug. If that is the case, it gives the devs and players of DSB time to organise a new zone to move to.

 

Personally, I doubt he'll close it. If enough people rant and rave about it being closed down, I'm sure he'll reconsider or at least try to find somebody to carry on DSBs legacy. He seems like a reasonable enough person.

[XO-MANOWAR]

Guys here's the more important topic imo.First off "IF" hoch shuts the zone down,then he would no longer need any SSC Billing,Bang powers,ect.What we really need is someone on the SS council to weigh in on this,and tell us what has been discussed if anything.What hoch is really saying is that he is no longer willing to pay for the server which hosts DSB.If the SS Council wants hoch to take down DSB,which I find hard to believe,then they will probably not allow anyone to have SSC Billing and the use of Bang or whatever they supply the zones.If this is true then a clone of DSB will fail have no doubt.Having watched and been a part of 2 other good zones demise i have seen this happen before.Being sysop of WLI/USD Annihilation (zone ruined and smeared by Gemini Dream)and staff SMOD of T3 I can see whats coming.Although we are all pissed because Hoch announced the eventual closing of DSB,it really makes little sense to kill zones period in Subspace.To make a long story short,without SSC billing any resurrection of DSB is doomed.Personally the "speech" hoch wrote for zone closing was quite good.Hoch you wouldnt be a politician in the UK are you?However seems to me if you made the decision to close the zone then what are you waiting for?Seems more like a Ploy to get zone population back up.If so we can hardly blame him for that.However its my belief that people like the_snake are highly creative and there ideas should be given proper weight.Fly swatter has also came up with some good ideas.So if were not lacking in ideas and resources...what is lacking?

 

 

P.S.

Perm ban Falconeer from Trolling..tx GG

[wO!]

lol, i actually think this is all a publicity stunt

[SeVeR]

Here's a topic Hoch can't delete.

 

I'm sure the SS Council will represent the hundreds of players who play DSB in this dispute. What message will it give if they don't?

 

This is one man against everyone who plays the zone, probably against everyone who plays subspace too. This is a power trip decision, it's one person deciding to exert power over everyone, and then having the audacity to say it's for the good of the zone! I'm serious! (Hoch: "I honestly believe that in the end this is the best action for the zone. I think it is better to leave on a high rather than a low.").

 

He doesn't have the right. He started DSB as a mod and was eventually given owner powers with the expectation that he would keep the zone running.

[TLordTango]

Let me post my conversation with hoch from last night:

 

TLordTango> why

Hoch> Don't make me repeat what is already written.

TLordTango> declining pop is a poor argument and you know it, tons of people want to at least give it a chance

Hoch> The wording is not the best, that I will give you. Tango, I want you to be a part of this the final year. Will you join me?

TLordTango> only if you give the zone to me afterwards

Hoch> No dice

TLordTango> who are you to decide for all these people that it should end?

Hoch> As the owner it falls to me.

TLordTango> that's if you look at titles, perheps. Most people here want it to live - why deny them the opportunity?

Hoch> At some point we all have to face reality. It is a cold reality and I do not like it as much as the next guy.

TLordTango> you have no right to define reality for all these people

TLordTango> only the power

Hoch> Unfortunately, I do. If I told you it has been a difficult two months since I decided, you would not believe me.

TLordTango> no, you don't. You have the power to end it, it's true. But the right comes from a social contract with 2 sides, and you have totally neglected the community's say in this.

Hoch> I am entrusted with the well being of this community. It is a task I freely accepted and one that I hold dear to me. This is not an easy decision.

TLordTango> doctors have no right to kill their patients

Hoch> Interesting comment coming from a Dutchman.

TLordTango> almost, but did the community ask you to kill it?

Hoch> As a leader you sometimes have to make difficult decisions.

TLordTango> like deciding it is time for someone else to give it a shot?

Hoch> That has nothing to do with it.

TLordTango> why do you insist on carrying dsb to its grave then?

TLordTango> if that's where you feel the road should end, let someone else drive

Hoch> No matter what I write Tango you will not agree with it. I have had two months to get used to the idea. You've had considerably less time. Nonetheless, I hope you will be part of this great experience.

TLordTango> can't you see you're power tripping?

TLordTango> you're no one's leader, this choice is not yours

TLordTango> you are a facilitator as zone owner

TLordTango> nothing more, nothing less

Hoch> I understand you are upset Tango. Give it some time. But I hope I can count on you.

TLordTango> at least give me the map and setts when you're through

TLordTango> you have no use for them anymore afterwards

Hoch> No.

TLordTango> why cling on to them?

Hoch> It is not about cling but the zone cannot exist once the server goes offline.

TLordTango> I can get a new server tonight if I have to

Hoch> You will never get on billing Tango.

TLordTango> because you wont let me?

Hoch> Because it is not allowed. We can dance all night are you can join me. Your choice.

TLordTango> no, why won't you even allow me to revive it when that takes 0 effort for you to allow?

Hoch> You're mind is clouded right now Tango. We can discuss this at another time.

:Hoch:my mind is clouded? you already made 2 grammar mistakes in the last 2 sentences that are way below your level. But very well