Guest Toarn Posted January 9, 2004 Report Posted January 9, 2004 i know this probably won't be taken in the best way, but.. 17th needs a few changes. new pub map for one.. i've seen nbv's.. and its really good.. possibly better than the current pub map, and with a few minor changes, would blow it out of the water.there are also a few other good ones... but thats the only one that comes to mind. terrier: now, i am an old school terrier fan (yellow bombs, weak guns) and the new one is... ok.. not fantastic, but ok. it can hardly take on any other ship head to head. about the only thing its halfway good at is basing, and thats only because of the reps and bounce bombs. lanc is much better, even without reps. IDEAS: im not going to give just one, because i know there are a lot of different ideas, but any change would be cool.1. yellow bombs again, but keep the bomb speed. this would way overpower it, so take away the useless lvl 3 guns and maybe change them to lvl 2 guns that fire in a sharper angle straight ahead.. kinda like shark but sharper and with only 3 bullets.2. get rid of one rep.. and something else, but give it xradar. classic terrier.. it ruled.. xradar and anti. not a lot of people liked it.. but the ones who did, REALLY like it.3. more mines. the other upside to terriers are the many mines.. but 6 isn't enough to classify it as a "minelayer" ship.. those 6 mines only kill an enemy if they hit them all in a row. (god its beautiful) i know i may seem over excited about this ship.. but it was my favorite. sentimental feelings and all that. Shark: you notice how the most skilled shark flyers don't even cloak? just get rid of it altogether and give it something else.. like a repel, or god forbid, a rocket (think of it! bomb rushing the enemy with a shark at full speed, and never see you coming til its too late because of stealth.)2.more speed.. that might work too... (hmm) and my favorite idea.. the ability to buy xradar.. priced however you see fit.. but only certain ships can buy.. (weasel, levi, shark, and possibly jav) it can be as expensive as you fit... i just have found memories of flying around in a levi with x.. and watching all the cloakers sneak up on me.. or line up for a rush.. and just blowing em away... -*BAD WORD*- that was a good feeling. criticize, add to em, whatever.. i just wanted to get my ideas out.. Quote
Cencil Posted January 9, 2004 Report Posted January 9, 2004 ok...WTF You basically just sumed up every other flame post into your pathetic attempt to get us to change the settings. We are already discussing ship sets. So stay set and wait please Quote
SeVeR Posted January 9, 2004 Report Posted January 9, 2004 Nice idea for the shark. We can always do with less cloakers in this zone, especially if we ever want a successful multiship league that isn't based on pub-style soccer. The terrier ideas aren't bad either could use some tweaking like maybe making those guns lvl1 and a slower rate of fire (just my opinion). I was also a fan of the old terrier (pre-zeke), it was just as powerful as the javelin which is why is should have never been changed. I doubt anyone would consider these ideas since the people that tend to get the job have ideas of their own (example: zeke changing the jav because he never liked it when % of the zone loved the ship) To get them to be considered you hvae to own your own arena and construct the settings from there. Quote
Guest Toarn Posted January 9, 2004 Report Posted January 9, 2004 yea, but cencil, i never read this forum, and they are my own ideas, not stolen from anyone. i've talked to a lot of people, and they agree with me on these ideas... and if things are getting changed, keep us updatted. please Quote
madhaha Posted January 9, 2004 Report Posted January 9, 2004 Yeah and while you're at it lose those useless lvl 1 emp bombs from the weasel and give it lvl 3 bullets and 5000 nrg. Then balance it out by removing the thor. Everyone I've talked to agrees with me. Quote
Guest Toarn Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 so, i guess thats a "no, i disagree with your ideas" ?? Quote
SeVeR Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Heh everyone must go through the "madhaha training program" when new to the matrix.. err.. 17th forum. Just never listen to a word he says and you'll save alot of time. Quote
madhaha Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Your favourite ship is the terrier. Your suggestions would further increase the power of the terrier to a ridiculous level. Connection? Quote
Cencil Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Connection....almost Rhymes with.....OVERPOWERING YOUR FAVIROTE SHIP TO CONTROL THE ZONE! Quote
Aileron Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 As an outsider, I am probably the only one here with an impartial opinion. The terrier should be changed. Its speed and rotation promote a high speed bombing strategy, whereas the most of its raw firepower lies in their guns. Overall, it would be good the bombs strengthened and the guns weakened. Slightly mind you. Changing the levels would probably be too much. Maybe the gun fire rate should be reduced, and a little shrapnel be added to the bombs. Quote
Ancient Power Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Reasons as to why 17th is boring as -*BAD WORD*-: 1 ship events (JAV)same old pub map for FIVE -*BAD WORD*-ING YEARS, FIVE!!!!a settings changed, but -*BAD WORD*-TY AS -*BAD WORD*- same old gay playing style, NO ORIGINALITY, WHATSOEVER, (i have a new gamestyle idea but noooo staff doesnt give a flying -*BAD WORD*-, they are obssessed over their "BALL IN BASE" gay -*BAD WORD*- theory.) Quote
DaKillaRoach Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Reasons as to why 17th is boring as -*BAD WORD*-: 1 ship events (JAV)same old pub map for FIVE -*BAD WORD*-ING YEARS, FIVE!!!!a settings changed, but -*BAD WORD*-TY AS -*BAD WORD*- same old gay playing style, NO ORIGINALITY, WHATSOEVER, (i have a new gamestyle idea but noooo staff doesnt give a flying -*BAD WORD*-, they are obssessed over their "BALL IN BASE" gay -*BAD WORD*- theory.)I would like different events which arent based fully on javelin yes. I would like a new pub map I would like better ship settings I would like this zone to concentrate on basing as such, prehaps not fully around balling, prehaps CTF/X? Something to seperate us like once before, to make this zone unique again. Will we get it? Not a chance Quote
NBVegita Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Actually we currently do not have the map from 5 years ago, the closest thing we have is from in the about 4 year range, and that one is in ?go original. and hey, I like the fact that toard had a bash the sets post with out bashing the sets lol <3 toarn Quote
Guest Toarn Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 im a true believer in the old thumper mantra "if you can't say anything nice, then shut the %* up" im just basically saying, that a lot of the people who play in this zone, just come to talk with other people who "play." notice how in 17th spec there are always tons of people? we have a higher average of good quality people than other zones, but thats not saying much... Quote
DaKillaRoach Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 we have a higher average of good quality people than other zones, but thats not saying much...Thats because we are ten times smaller than themso it looks more like we have good quality people. Quote
Bran Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 i say we just go back to the same seettings that we used 3 years ago.. there was alot less complaining at the only complaining that their was, was of the weasle but that ship -*BAD WORD*-en owned .. no skill required . And i think there should be moore jav leagues perhaps creating a 3v3 league.. wITH bRaNS RuLES . -*BAD WORD*- thIS MULtiship bs . if u wanna play multiship stick with pub god -*BAD WORD*- . 17th sets just dont work well multishiping if nne event it'd have to be a flagging league but flagging and 17th just dooesnt seem rite . i say the best thing to do if nething. is make 3 ships that work in all leagues.. Quote
Cencil Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 Weasel took the most skill.... LEts be a Overpowered Warbird with 2 levis... Lets have lvl 3 guns which completly own any ship. Lets have a burst that does more dmg then needed(speed too) Levi....godly Lets have 3 bursts, x radar, anti-warp, and lvl 2 bombs. Weasel...1 hit kill.. SLOW SLOW turning...to much speed which makes it hard to control....(Requires skill) lanc...Baser...<3 lanc shark...pwn weasel requires skil.... Quote
SeVeR Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 Lets have enough speed to outrun all the bombs but the levis.Lets have cloak and stealth so half the ships can't see us.Lets have a bomb which can kill any other ship and lets give that bomb a massive hit radius.Lets fire that bomb from half way across the arena where we are completely safe.Lets be able to press the insert key and warp out whenever a terrier isn't around. Lets realise that there is no skill in a ship that either kills immediately or dies immediately with almost no dodging or aim required. GG Quote
epox Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 Cencil, you were good in that ship. But it WAS a ridiculous ship. Quote
DaKillaRoach Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 i say we just go back to the same seettings that we used 3 years ago.. there was alot less complaining at the only complaining that their was, was of the weasle but that ship -*BAD WORD*-en owned .. no skill required . And i think there should be moore jav leagues perhaps creating a 3v3 league.. wITH bRaNS RuLES . -*BAD WORD*- thIS MULtiship bs . if u wanna play multiship stick with pub god -*BAD WORD*- . 17th sets just dont work well multishiping if nne event it'd have to be a flagging league but flagging and 17th just dooesnt seem rite . i say the best thing to do if nething. is make 3 ships that work in all leagues..You know, its only just clicked in my head exactly what Bran, and others have been trying to say... and well... what can I say? I actually think he is right.. All this time I have complained about multiship combat, yet bran has put a very good point forward. Prehaps 17th was never ment to have multi ship leagues? Sure it can have multi ship events, they affect no one, they are a bit of fun, bt leagues? well... just maybe Bran is completly right? What would happen if we switched back to old 17th ship settings? what if we brought out a few more jav based events (of course have 1 or 2 different events like fishies or something similarly stupid ^_^ ) Lets change the map, introduce back our old settings, ignore those whinning noobs casue it will only be lie beofore but with less complaining, and play some decent pub! I'm not siding on Brans side here, I still obtain my views of multi ship diversity, but this point of view is quite rightly backed up with strong support. I dunno, maybe Bran is a genious and clicked the right buttons in my mind? Quote
DaKillaRoach Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 Cencil, you were good in that ship. But it WAS a ridiculous ship.Ridiculous, different, and alot of fun, alot skillful even if people dont say so. It as unique and fun, just some newbs complained it was -*BAD WORD*-. -*BAD WORD*- em, bring it back anyway ^_^ Quote
Guest Toarn Posted January 13, 2004 Report Posted January 13, 2004 yea, the weasel WAS a fun ship, if you were the one flying it.. it bothered a lot of people when they got killed instantly with no chance to fight back... i guess thats why it was so much fun then.. i flew it on occasion, when i was bored of the old terrier, and there were to many javs about.. i think the weasel was why i stayed here in the first place.. it caught my attention. oh, and the levi.. i ruled with it. and the old terrier... *nostalgia* the thing was, i went away for awhile.. and when i came back, everything was changed.. i quit and reentered the zone to find out if i was in the right one... and of course, it wasn't. i talked with hoho after the settings changed... we both thought that it would decrease zone pop.. and it did, for a LONG time.. and then the many incarnations of the weasel.. boy, were those trying times.. anyway... back on topic... i want my terrier back! Quote
Tipme Posted January 13, 2004 Report Posted January 13, 2004 i dont complain about anything.cuz i wasnt here back in the long long agobut..i do like the old lanc...and weasel i like to drive..thats it...that sit...tha tsit Quote
GhettoSmurf Posted January 13, 2004 Report Posted January 13, 2004 ahhh, the old weasel...it was lots of fun, but i agree that it was a bit extreme... maybe it should be brought back, with a little more energy (maybe 500?) so that it can withstand more than 3 bullets... but is there a way to change settings so that it can't warp at all? let it still attach (with the extreme bounty, that was amusing), but if it can't warp, then maybe people will actually be able to fight back and it will piss people off less. but back n topic (of the post), i loved the old sets, i wouldn't mind seeing them restored either. maybe to go with the "friday's with suprises," and see how the rest of the population likes it. and they better support it Quote
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