Healthcare Bill Passed

[BDwinsAlt]

The bill passed. -Stabs self-

 

They are trying to throw it to the committee to kill it, I doubt that will work.

If it was solely healthcare, I would say OK... but this is more than healthcare. It has private agendas and so much more to it than healthcare. So, do you agree with what our congress and senate have agree upon despite what the people (the ones being affected) would like.

[Bak]

yes I agree that you can load a question successfully. Did they figure out which republican shouted "baby killer" in congress?

[L.C.]

I'm lazy. What does this bill do?

[2pacZ]

There are still more who are out of work, have no coverage, and need this. Also young adults who face not only joblessness but no coverage. And then there is the people who make next to nothing and can't get coverage. Put on top of that the ones who are refused coverage who have a condition that exclludes them from coverage and you have a heck of alot of americans that have done without healthcare. And you have to admit the profits that are reported from insurance companies is out of sight. So who are you really mad at? America needs reform in so many areas.

 

The Iraq+Afganistan wars costs america trillions of dollars, but some folks are mad that people will get healthcare? Republican Party needs to hop off the insurance companies.

 

Abortion should be paid if the girl had no control meaning she got raped or some other complicated reason, they shouldn't be paid if they got prego accidently.

[rootbear75]

Well i noticed one thing was that students can be covered til they are 26 instead of 23.

 

This is going to help me and my bro considerably since my brother is getting out of school this year, and he turns 24. Until he gets a job with benefits, that should help him greatly.

 

Also: i got a late start on college, mostly since i didnt know what i wanted to do. So now im considered a first time freshman, 2 years late :/

So for a 4 year degree, i wont graduate until im 24, past the cut-off date. With this, i can stay covered until the FAA hires me, or I find some other degree-relating job.

 

 

^^ thats the biggest thing i noticed. But like L.C. said... can someone like CliffNotes this thing?

[whalz]

yay america , they seem less stupid now since they actualy did something for healthcare.. ANYthing...

 

at least once something is done, people can again begin to bitch untill they make it better again

[Dr Brain]

This was never about healthcare. It's about control over people's lives.

 

If nothing is done about this, this bill will tear the US apart. And if the US goes, so does the civilized world.

[BDwinsAlt]

This was never about healthcare. It's about control over people's lives.

 

If nothing is done about this, this bill will tear the US apart. And if the US goes, so does the civilized world.

This is exactly what I keep telling people. Healthcare is really just a convenient disguise.

[Bak]

Thanks Glen Beck.

[NBVegita]

There are a lot of things I don't like about this bill and very few things I do like.

 

Just for starters:

 

I don't like the fact that the government can mandate you to have health care, or else fine you for not having it. Health care should be a choice.

I don't like the fact that the government has excluded themselves from this health care reform. If this were really so good for the people, why is it not good enough for you?

If you're going to try to penalize small companies for not providing health care, don't deduct the 30 employee's when you calculate. I bet that a company with 50 employees will still rather pay the fine for not having health care, as they only have to pay for 20 employees than provide health care for all 50.

I don't like the government being able to "fine" you if you as an employer pay either too little or too much towards your employee's benefits.

I do not like that they can tax your investment income for medicaid if you make 200k single or 250k.

I don't like having to pay an extra fee for non-generic medicine.

I think the concept of invoking an excise tax on industrial medical equipment manufacturers will cost us money in the long run.

 

 

Things I do like:

 

Eliminating the pre-existing condition clause.

I do like the student loan reform, although there are things I wish they would focus on more. For example, instead of providing money for minorities (with some going to low income students) simply remove the "minority" part and put all of the funding towards simply low income students.

 

Ultimately I feel that this really is not doing anything to address the "health care problem" in the country. Yes it is providing more coverage, but the bill does little to nothing to prevent the loop holes for insurance carriers and also creates a bigger loop hole. I feel that this is a very expensive plan that will cost Americans a lot of money and really does not accomplish very much. I believe that our health care industry does need some sort of reform, but this bill is not the answer. It isn't even a step in the right direction.

 

But before everyone gets scared of this bill, really most clauses don't take effect until 2014-2018. Also I think no matter who is in office after Obama, be it republican or democrat, that they will reverse a large chunk of this bill.

 

Just my two cents.

[L.C.]

If nothing is done about this, this bill will tear the US apart. And if the US goes, so does the civilized world.

Amen.

 

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-22/house-approves-landmark-u-s-health-care-overhaul-legislation.html

The two bills together will cost $940 billion over 10 years and cover 32 million uninsured Americans, the Congressional Budget Office estimated. That’s more than made up for with a new tax on the highest earners, fees on health-care companies and hundreds of billions of dollars in Medicare savings, which will reduce the federal deficit, the CBO said.

WT that's $94 billion per YEAR.

 

This bill is going to rip the US apart.

[Bak]

it costs $940 billion, but raises over a trillion by raising fees on people who can spare it. The CBO predicted a net deficit reduction by about $100 billion because of this bill. The bush tax cuts cost over a trillion and were not paid for within the bills themselves, yet the country is fine.

 

This bill was never about control over people's lives, Fox only said that so people would watch more Fox.

[Dr Brain]

As a small business owner, I can tell you this has the potential to crush my business. You think unemployment is bad now? Wait until these taxes go into effect and unemployment hits 30%. There will literally be riots in the streets.

 

EDIT: if it's not about controlling people's lives, then why am I forced to buy health insurance? Cost reduction, blah blah. That's just a lie that sounds good. Anyone with a basic grasp of economics and cause and effect can see why.

[2pacZ]

Aren't you forced to buy car insurance if am I correct thats majority of the states. I think this is a movement going forward than just debating on doing nothing about healthcare and arguing about it. Lets just see how this plays out.

[»Xog]

Aren't you forced to buy car insurance if am I correct thats majority of the states.

I hate that crap. Why the F do I have to pay money on something I believe I can cover with my own money? It's a fucking scam! I wind up paying more to my insurance company for 'coverage' yet I get fuckin NOTHING when something does happen? It still comes out of my freakin pocket!

[Dr Brain]

Only if you drive a car. Also not in NH, where I live.

[»Xog]

Over the course of 10 years or so, one could easily pay $15,000-$20,000 in car insurance alone. If you are barely going to drive that sucker anywhere, or you know you're just that good of a driver, why the fuk do I gotta pay that much to have my car?

 

Oh, I know. So the scam artists/insurance companies can make money!

 

If I get into an accident, it's going to be very rare. Maybe once every 5-10 years. Is it going to cost $20,000 to fix a freakin bumper? Don't think so buddy!

[BDwinsAlt]

I believe in a basic human right sense, that everyone should be able to lookout for his or her own safety and health so long as others are not affected. E.X.: You can't drive drunk, because it may hurt others and you are impaired and can't think for your own safety.

 

But you can smoke if you like, because it only harms yourself (killing you slowly), and secondhand smoke I guess if someone stands too close, but that's why you can't smoke in certain places in the city around here.

 

I think if the healthcare is mandatory, it should only be for children and low income (for those who elect to have it).

 

Everyone should have a choice regarding their own health and needs. A child shouldn't have to be sick and go without medical help if he/she needs it, but a grown man/woman shouldn't be told they have to pay for healthcare when he/she never gets sick or would rather pay out of pocket. It's a step away from freedom, though it's a small step, I think we've all heard, "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." It's a giant leap into socialism. Yeah government healthcare would be nice, for some people.

 

America is all about freedom to make your own decisions, live the American dream, start your own business. If anything it hurts many people's dreams of doing all this. I don't want the local hooker to be able to get abortions simply because she/it can't keep her/its legs closed. Fuck a woman's right to do w/e to her body, if you can get two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman then the baby is alive and human just like anyone else, if you disagree, then no double counts of murder. Be fair.

 

I don't like the idea of people relying on the government (haha I know right) even more. It will probably be a lot more paperwork, filling out the same paperwork over and over. I've worked for the government and I know how it goes.

 

I have absolutely no money until I get started at Lowe's. I know I wouldn't be able to afford healthcare unless it was given to me free by the government, but I really don't want their help. My state refused to give me unemployment because I have 2 classes (I am not a fulltime student) Their policy clearly states (EVERYWHERE) that FULL-TIME students can't receive benefits. Anyone at my school can tell you I am not a full-time student, but the supervisor at unemployment says it doesn't matter, I'm in school. I proved to them I have and can work full-time hours. Just more government BS.

 

I don't think healthcare is here for the right reasons. If it was just about healthcare and helping people, the bill wouldn't include all these democratic motives. It would be a lot more neutral and both parties would have found a common ground. Americans would be happy that way. I know it wouldn't be as black and white, but there would be a lot more gray.

 

I'm still debating on which country I plan on moving to. Any suggestions? Australia is pretty isolated plus they have kangaroos!!!

[L.C.]

I believe in a basic human right sense, that everyone should be able to lookout for his or her own safety and health so long as others are not affected. E.X.: You can't drive drunk, because it may hurt others and you are impaired and can't think for your own safety.

 

But you can smoke if you like, because it only harms yourself (killing you slowly), and secondhand smoke I guess if someone stands too close, but that's why you can't smoke in certain places in the city around here.

 

I think if the healthcare is mandatory, it should only be for children and low income (for those who elect to have it).

 

Everyone should have a choice regarding their own health and needs. A child shouldn't have to be sick and go without medical help if he/she needs it, but a grown man/woman shouldn't be told they have to pay for healthcare when he/she never gets sick or would rather pay out of pocket. It's a step away from freedom, though it's a small step, I think we've all heard, "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." It's a giant leap into socialism. Yeah government healthcare would be nice, for some people.

 

America is all about freedom to make your own decisions, live the American dream, start your own business. If anything it hurts many people's dreams of doing all this. I don't want the local hooker to be able to get abortions simply because she/it can't keep her/its legs closed. Fuck a woman's right to do w/e to her body, if you can get two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman then the baby is alive and human just like anyone else, if you disagree, then no double counts of murder. Be fair.

 

I don't like the idea of people relying on the government (haha I know right) even more. It will probably be a lot more paperwork, filling out the same paperwork over and over. I've worked for the government and I know how it goes.

 

I have absolutely no money until I get started at Lowe's. I know I wouldn't be able to afford healthcare unless it was given to me free by the government, but I really don't want their help. My state refused to give me unemployment because I have 2 classes (I am not a fulltime student) Their policy clearly states (EVERYWHERE) that FULL-TIME students can't receive benefits. Anyone at my school can tell you I am not a full-time student, but the supervisor at unemployment says it doesn't matter, I'm in school. I proved to them I have and can work full-time hours. Just more government BS.

 

I don't think healthcare is here for the right reasons. If it was just about healthcare and helping people, the bill wouldn't include all these democratic motives. It would be a lot more neutral and both parties would have found a common ground. Americans would be happy that way. I know it wouldn't be as black and white, but there would be a lot more gray.

 

I'm still debating on which country I plan on moving to. Any suggestions? Australia is pretty isolated plus they have kangaroos!!!

Antarctica.

 

I would have said Switzerland, but Switzerland is no longer a neutral country.

 

Move to a neutral country, or die. Unfortunately they're beginning to take over the world.

 

I'd love to move to Australia though.

[SeVeR]

Someone tell me, what are American health insurance companies other than middle-men who take a profit for hooking you up with a doctor? They're like who mafia who take monthly payments so that you won't end up dead in a gutter. They end up making a profit because the health-care paid for by them is less than what they take out of your pockets. So really, the fact that this bill doesn't completely get rid of the health insurance companies altogether means it is a complete failure. Still, I am convinced that Obama would rather get rid of them all, but I am also certain that the system is too corrupt to let this happen.

 

Socialised health-care is more than just for the poor, it's also there for the rich should they become poor. If you are successful and resent having to pay taxes for a National Health Service, then think about what would happen if your life went to shit. Your taxes would have helped to keep the Health Service running while you were successful, and now that you need it, it's there. While you don't need it, you can afford to pay the same taxes that poor people pay. Simple really.

 

...But the whole idea of health insurance companies acting as middle-men, channeling money away from ill people that should go into paying solely for health-care, has to be one of the most evil things I have ever encountered. It's like a vulture picking away at a dying animal, or a pack of lions stalking an injured wildebeast. They make money out of people getting ill because they make money out of everyone who fears getting ill. How can healthcare even be a business!!!???

[rootbear75]

ok xog, shut up, you have no idea what you are talking about for car insurance.

you dont NEED insurance to drive. However, you must pay a $500 uninsured motorist fee. and here's the thing, what if someone else hits you, and they are uninsured? YOU'RE FUCKING SCREWED. YOU end up paying your OWN money to fix your car...

 

I'd rather pay $100-$150/month for car insurance, that way if something say DOES actually happen, I dont have to severely reduce my budget for the month in order to pay for repair costs.

[SeVeR]

Why not just put that $100 dollars in the bank, then you'll have more money to repair your car than you'll need. Or are you saying you would spend the money rather than putting it in the bank? So basically the insurance company is getting a fee for stopping you from spending your money.

[CRe]

ok xog, shut up, you have no idea what you are talking about for car insurance.

you dont NEED insurance to drive. However, you must pay a $500 uninsured motorist fee. and here's the thing, what if someone else hits you, and they are uninsured? YOU'RE FUCKING SCREWED. YOU end up paying your OWN money to fix your car...

 

I'd rather pay $100-$150/month for car insurance, that way if something say DOES actually happen, I dont have to severely reduce my budget for the month in order to pay for repair costs.

 

Xog lives in New York State as far as I know. New York State requires insurance on all registered vehicles.

[BDwinsAlt]

Someone tell me, what are American health insurance companies other than middle-men who take a profit for hooking you up with a doctor? They're like who mafia who take monthly payments so that you won't end up dead in a gutter. They end up making a profit because the health-care paid for by them is less than what they take out of your pockets. So really, the fact that this bill doesn't completely get rid of the health insurance companies altogether means it is a complete failure. Still, I am convinced that Obama would rather get rid of them all, but I am also certain that the system is too corrupt to let this happen.

 

Socialised health-care is more than just for the poor, it's also there for the rich should they become poor. If you are successful and resent having to pay taxes for a National Health Service, then think about what would happen if your life went to shit. Your taxes would have helped to keep the Health Service running while you were successful, and now that you need it, it's there. While you don't need it, you can afford to pay the same taxes that poor people pay. Simple really.

 

...But the whole idea of health insurance companies acting as middle-men, channeling money away from ill people that should go into paying solely for health-care, has to be one of the most evil things I have ever encountered. It's like a vulture picking away at a dying animal, or a pack of lions stalking an injured wildebeast. They make money out of people getting ill because they make money out of everyone who fears getting ill. How can healthcare even be a business!!!???

This is what Obama is doing. Instead of giving money to insurance companies, we will be forced to pay for it. At least with the middle man it is an option. Obama can make it mandatory to take it out of checks or just make you pay like a normal tax. And then you're relying on the government...

[rootbear75]

Here is the main problem with health care being government run... Look at Canada.

 

I LOVE my private health insurance. I can schedule an appointment, walk in, and be seen. I don't have to wait in ridiculously long lines. I can plan other things to do that day instead of blocking the whole day for "doctor visit"