»Ceiu Posted January 15, 2010 Report Posted January 15, 2010 Well, let's try this again. Should the 3m Alien Techs be removed from league? I vote yes, as I believe it's silly to have the league winner determined more by what items a team has rather than their skill. Also:Try to keep this one on topic this time.
Dr. Snyder Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 Well, let's try this again. Should the 3m Alien Techs be removed from league? I vote yes, as I believe it's silly to have the league winner determined more by what items a team has rather than their skill. Also:Try to keep this one on topic this time. I would like to know how it will deal with ships that already have alien techs on them. Either way I would likely vote yes, as leagues should be about how good you are at hitting the arrow keys and such. If it flat out banns those those ships then I guess some of us need to rethink the way we set up our accounts.
»Ceiu Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Posted January 16, 2010 From the last attempt at this: For those who are willing, and should we decide to do so, I will provide those in league a one-time full refund on a 3m 'tech on their league ships. This should ease the pain of having to use items which aren't completely screwing with the game.
BDwinsAlt Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 Well in hyperspace part of what helps you fight is which items you buy and you build a custom ship. If someone saves up 3M and buys a tech, that's part of their customization. If you are truly a good player you can over come this. I can see why some people thing it's lame, but that's because they don't have one.
spidernl Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 Well in hyperspace part of what helps you fight is which items you buy and you build a custom ship. If someone saves up 3M and buys a tech, that's part of their customization. If you are truly a good player you can over come this. I can see why some people thing it's lame, but that's because they don't have one. You're missing a very important difference between 3m's in leagues and other items in leagues.3m's are designed not to be balanced. Saying you can beat them (ofcourse you can) doesn't make them any more balanced.All other items are designed to be balanced. And no, I'm not claiming all items are equally useful. Saying anyone can get them also isn't a reason for them to be allowed in the league. Anyone can get them, yes, but do we want this league to give a large advantage to those who have played actively for about 6 months (Disclaimer: I consider actively to be several hours a week, not 12 hours a day, people)?Now, silly people are going to try to counter this by saying "Omg but u n33d liek almost half the exp needed 4 3m's 2 buy other itemz 2!!!". However, that argument fails by itself, as getting half the experience needed is about 1/4th, 1/5th, maybe 1/6th as time-consuming as getting 25k exp is.
sprinkLe Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) Btw another alternative is to limit one alien per round/team or something along those lines. So you don't have an 'ultimate' advantage over the other team. Pretty sure all teams has at least one 3m tech. My two cents, sprinkLe Edited January 16, 2010 by sprinkLe
ArcticxWolf Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 All other items are designed to be balanced. So you're telling me sharppinger and Mass are balanced?
»Ceiu Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Posted January 16, 2010 Exo and Ablative make them far less efficient, which adds a degree of balance to them. I agree that the zone isn't perfect -- some items are better than others. However, the point of this vote/discussion is to remove the items which are so over the top that the only way to effectively beat them is by also using them. In a zone where the theme is customization, it kinda defeats the purpose of to make everyone have to use the same ship to be fair.
spidernl Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 All other items are designed to be balanced. So you're telling me sharppinger and Mass are balanced? 1) Try going back to primary school to learn how to read. That's not what it says. It says they're designed to be balanced. 2) They're quite a bit more balanced than Alien Tech 3m's.
Acer Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 I said yes, but if we must take off our aliens I would like to get the money I spent on them back, if that's possible. (3m temp, 1.5m baryon)
Dr. Snyder Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 A strong majority of those that voted to have aliens banned, have an alien. Perhaps that alone speaks to the way this small sampling of players really feel.
Acer Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Yes I know, I just didn't read the whole topic when I posted that. Edited January 17, 2010 by Acer
BDwinsAlt Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 Why does Hyperspace pick and choose when it wants to be a democracy Just kill the d#mn alien techs then.
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