SSDL Files

[krslynx]

1.6GB

[Testtube]

I wont try and explain the 95th percentile rule to you if you only have X amount of pipe and you Y amount of it for 2+ hours leaving less than 10 percent at times for everyone else it will cause downtime poor performance ectra. I didnt think i needed to explain that.

 

I Can also list show the graphs that this type of traffic pattern for the last year is not NORMAL but i dont see a point.

Edited December 1, 2009 by Testtube

[krslynx]

DOS doesn't apply when there's one person downloading single files over a short period of time. Not unless you're on a very crappy uplink... which you're not. If that were the case people could download Subspace.iso from SSDL and effectively DDOS SSDL/SSForum etc.

[PoLiX]

The issue wasn't the bandwidth imho, it was the load on the server. I was freakin out thinkin it was SSF again and spent almost 3.5-4hrs combing through everything trying to figure out wth was up cause other websites we're up. We had never takin the server to an almost stand still like this, but we we're using all its resources before thanks to some script issues and bots.

 

But seriously. I don't see why it had to be done?

[krslynx]

I don't see how it could have caused load on the server, I'll get CRe> to send me the code that he used (I used a different coding method) and see if there were errors. Other than that, the script was no different to the method that any search engine uses to look through websites.

 

It seems like there's not much anything else to say.

[»Ceiu]

Here's an idea:

How about instead of bitching about a non-issue like a bunch of faggots, one of you assholes sets me up a mother fucking reverse proxy so I can drop the goddamn :8080 from my urls? Thanks.

[»Maverick]

You don't need SSDownloads's files to setup a competing website. If your new website SSDownloads works so well, you can always copy files over at a later time in a normal manner.

If you can do it better, do it yourself but that doesn't mean you should try to clone the content of the original website or even trying to cripple it (even though that wasn't the intention here).

 

It's pointless to argue the server/bandwith wasn't damaged. The server owner tells you and I'm sure he has enough knowledge to know what he's talking about.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Maverick

[Testtube]

Let me sum up what happened and what they dispute even though there is evidence to support it.

 

 

1) Downtime They caused downtime to the web community that i host I believe that the downtime was caused for a couple of contributing factors A) there was a download lasting several hours using nearly all of the bandwidth resources of the port. The server load was MUCH higher than normal causing issues with SQL database connections which is a requirement for most sites.

 

2) The additional costs associated with higher 95th percentile billing. This may or may not be a issue the fact that it happened on the last day of my billing month may get me a free pass to this incident that is still under investigation.

 

3)The abuse of resources on accounts they had access to and given to for free.

 

 

The fact that you think your scripts could not cause the problems i have indicated is irrelevant as I have proof to show other wise as well as "eye" witnesses of members of community that you brought down can attest to. I understand very well your opinion on how you did nothing wrong by taking the files you did as it cant be stealing. And in essence i guess you are right. I never said that it was. I did say i had personal content on that domain that was not ss related and if that content was removed then it was stealing. However the matter that you have not addressed which i can prove is the physical damages. That being the increased cost of bandwidth and the downtime your script caused to my server which also can be proved By individuals and uptime monitoring services. What you don't know is the monetary value your actions has caused me due to the downtime of my server/services i provide other people on my server. As i do use this server to provide services for others. I can only imagine you dont care. And thats fine.

 

 

I have spoken further with LC and i will be making my own archive of files he can have and mirror and we will leave it at that. However i want to make it clear If you do anything else malicious to my server whether you "meant" to do it or not or you have any further negative effects on this community or sites that i host. I will bring this to a level i can promise you it would be better to advoid.

 

This is not a statement to try and scare you or to make you think i am all big and bad or to prove that i am some sort of a elitist. Its a promise I have to protect what i am responsible for and i will. Please do not abuse my kindness and my good will for this community and don't turn something that involves a game and make it into something border line criminal.

 

My hopes are not to try and covert your backwards way of thinking as i have found in life that's impossible to directly effect someones opinion but it usually changes with time.

 

But to assert while i am not pursing anything this time next time I will.

 

I have no problem working with people in this community to help make Subspace better What you guys approached me which you have linked to in another thread there was no reason for other than "you wanted to do it" Thats not reason enough in my book if i was approached with a real reason and how it would help the community i would of helped with open arms. That never happened.

 

I think that covers everything i needed to say.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Testtube

[krslynx]

However the matter that you have not addressed which i can prove is the physical damages. That being the increased cost of bandwidth and the downtime your script caused to my server which also can be proved By individuals and uptime monitoring services.

 

Would you then say, for example, slashdot.org is equally as illicit? Most sites featured on slashdot.org are pretty much completely compromised, and judging by how your server handled a download script I am sure SSDL would have also been compromised. Errors in the way in which your site(s) handle high traffic shouldn't be put down to people trying to DOS or DDOS you. Perhaps you should check for errors in your SQL database and how it handles asynchronous connections, or how much load you allocate to single downloads/connections.

 

I have no problem working with people in this community to help make Subspace better What you guys approached me which you have linked to in another thread there was no reason for other than "you wanted to do it" Thats not reason enough in my book if i was approached with a real reason and how it would help the community i would of helped with open arms. That never happened.

 

It's all well and good saying this once somebody has gathered all of the data themselves, but the simple fact is that L.C.s requests have not changed at all from day one. Don't use your creation of the ZIP archive for L.C. as a means to help the community, although it's a positive donation, the real reason isn't hard to see. Not until I had to manually check what you were talking about when you were accusing us of breaking the law, and threatening with DMCA notices, oh and then having empty threats sent to CRe and I over AIM (even though you could have talked to me directly via AIM, or Continuum).

 

You don't need SSDownloads's files to setup a competing website. If your new website SSDownloads works so well, you can always copy files over at a later time in a normal manner.

If you can do it better, do it yourself but that doesn't mean you should try to clone the content of the original website or even trying to cripple it (even though that wasn't the

intention here)

 

That's a completely unrealistic request. Have you tried to download multiple files from SSDL? What would have effectively took literally days to do manually took CRe> something like 90-120 minutes. Also, the data that was 'cloned' were only the raw files (that are not owned by SSDL) and the crippling of the website you could either argue were the scripts used, or poor administration. Either way, the site wasn't intentionally crippled so that's a non-issue anyway.

 

Either way, as I've already said - things could have happened differently. TT could have initially handed the files over, or we could have warned TT, or we could have set timers on the scripts so it would wait x seconds before resuming to the next download... But, what's done has been done.

[»Ceiu]

Ok, goddammit. I knew if I actually read this shit, I'd get irritated.

 

TT... You can be as mad as you want for what they did, but I call bravo sierra on your damage report.

 

 

 

1) Downtime They caused downtime to the web community that i host I believe that the downtime was caused for a couple of contributing factors A) there was a download lasting several hours using nearly all of the bandwidth resources of the port. The server load was MUCH higher than normal causing issues with SQL database connections which is a requirement for most sites.

 

I'm going to do the math for you here, and I'm even going to be nice and use numbers that better support your argument so you can see just how silly you're being.

 

Let's assume the following:

- "Several hours" means 3.

- The amount of data transferred was 2gb (1.6 + page content).

- Your server's public uplink is 10mbit.

- CRe's ISP gives him > 10mbit download.

 

T = time in seconds = (3 * 60 ^ 2)

D = data transfered (in kb) = (2 * 1024 ^ 2)

 

D / T = 2097152 / 10800 = 194.181kb/sec

10mbit = 1280kb/sec transfer

 

So, if CRe downloaded the entire 2gb in 3 hours, he was doing it at 194kb/sec, which is roughly 15% of your bandwidth.

(for completeness: 2gb = 291kb/sec over 2 hours or 582kb/sec over 1 hour; which is roughly 22% and 45% of the bandwidth of a 10mbit uplink).

 

Now, at this point, the only way they could have brought the server down is if

(a) The SSDL site is written like absolute shit and requires an excessive number of SQL queries.

( The SQL server is on a different machine which was responding slowly for whatever reason.

© The SSDL site requires an absurd amount of server side script processing.

(d) The disk drive was somehow brought to it's knees by requesting at most 600kb/sec.

(e) Some other mysterious mystery.

 

All of which are problems on your end. If this is the case, you should be mad at yourself for not having fixed it sooner (you had what, 5-6 years to do so?).

 

Again, my assumptions are pretty generous. When you consider that you probably didn't opt for the 10mbit unmetered and instead went for the metered 100mbit uplink, and the fact that CRe's ISP probably doesn't give him a 100mbit downlink this whole thing really gets stupid. Even when we consider the idea that CRe's script immediately requests every file on SSDL, there's still the bottleneck of his ISP not giving him the capacity to saturate your entire uplink.

 

This whole bullshit just looks like drama whoring. At best this is poor administration of your own server biting you in the ass. If anything, these guys are doing you a favor by providing an alternate site to download from so that a SINGLE USER can no longer bring down all of SSDL.

 

I'd write more and refine this shit but I have class.

 

Peace, niggas.

[Testtube]

Actually everything you posted cerium is based on best guess.

 

#1 You dont know what i run how much i run Who i run how much capacity total how much capcity left over how much cre is able to download per mbps everything you listed is based on a assumption

 

 

You also have no idea what type of server i have whether its shared or dedicated. The resources i have dedicated to these sites. Everything you have said is based on pure assumption and completely worthless and holds no weight anywhere but in your imagination. You also have 0 idea what the scripts did as far as load memory usage apache threads and have no idea what type of load it put on SQL due to queries and threads. To be honest I don't have a exact answer on that either because i was not sitting in front of the machine during the time frame they did this shit. However i do know it had a detrimental effect based on what others have said to me during the time frame this happened. And by looking at how long SQL requests took to process and uptime reports showing downtime. Not only are you calling me a liar but everyone else who noticed it as well a liar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There where no threats made over IM infact i welcome anyone who has them to post any logs of chats i have had with them regarding this matter. However i am very upset regarding what they did. WHICH i have EVERY RIGHT TO BE

 

 

I DID SAY that if something like this happens again. and it has a negative impact i would pursue it further.

 

The fact that i am going to compile a archive list of files and give to LC to use is not being given to him because of this INFACT it would be really stupid to do so after you have the entire contents already. I am doing it in hopes of making something actual meaningful other than a exact replica of SSDL which serves 0 purpose at the time of this writing.

 

over the 5-6 years as you put it that i have ran the show for SSDL it has been on a couple of servers. ALL OF WHICH HAS BEEN FULLY CAPABLE OF RUNNING THE SITE BASED ON ITS NORMAL AND PEAK TRAFFIC PATTERNS This was not normal or ordinary. Thus the failures that occurred.

 

 

I did let LC know that i would be checking the files and if any of MY Content was taken then i would be sending a DMCA letter to his Datacenter. I did it in the nicest way possible and i have every legal right under the sun to do so.

 

When i spoke with Cre in subspace and if he logged the conversation it would show that i said i was not going to pursue any legal action. and under the circumstances was completely friendly with everyone that has been involved

 

Cerium you are a pretty smart guy but based on your reply shows your lack of understanding on how servers work. One can not make a informed opinion without knowing some very crucial facts as i mentioned above

 

 

The server connection/port speed

The server hardware/Ram/cpu/disk

Whether or not the server is dedicated or shared

 

 

This particular server is running on a shared 10 megabit pipe (WHICH I have a lower commit rate based on 95th percentile) this server is a VPS running on a very busy HOST server. Disk I/O is definitely a issue. I have shared Memory and Shared CPU and works perfect for the current needs. I host (As of today 69 shared hosting sites) on the server

 

Hopefully with this additional level of information you can make a more educated assumption of what happened.

 

Thanking them for abusing something that i give for free wont happen you live in a fantasy world. I have made some adminstrative changes to limit my liability for hosting these community websites is this something that should of already been done? Maybe it SHOULDN'T have to be i have increased port speed and also my comit on bandwidth usage (mbps) which in the end costs me more money and you nothing.

 

WIN WIN for all.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Testtube

[»Ceiu]

I already said in my reply that it was based on assumptions. Regardless, the numbers still don't add up. Even with what you said about the machine and the vps specs your host* offers, you should still have had more than enough bandwidth, memory and processing power to handle everything CRe could have thrown at you. Virtualization software is pretty good at making sure a single account cannot monopolize all the resources on the machine. Even if someone else is trashing the HDD, you should have been relatively unaffected. If my 8 year old server on a 2mbit uplink could handle CRe's bastardization, your server should have been fine. Period.

 

As an aside, if you're really sharing a 10mbit pipe you should probably start looking elsewhere for hosting. If you want to remain where you're at, then you can't really justify getting upset with members of the community who are using your site as intended (granted, stretching it a bit, but it's still by design). Again, if your setup has as few resources as you're claiming it does, you should be getting behind these guys 110% as it's going to save you headaches in the long run to have a mirror serving up some of the content so you don't have to.

[Testtube]

Cerium this last reply was a bit more constructive I think what your still missing is this..

 

 

I am hosting 69 sites on the server i mentioned including SSDL on the 10 meg pipe In the past YEAR i have had these account on this particular server there has been 0 problems Until ~November 30th If i have 69 sites fighting for resources and then another person slamming it with another 6 to 8 megabits will make the server appear offline. the same way if i was hitting your 2 meg connection with downloads and then had another handful of people trying to access the same server.

 

I think the reason this happened was a combination of bad timming on THIER part to attempt this while the server was already using X amount of its potential 10 megabits and then the other piece of the pie was the script using X amount of resources

 

Again there is no question whether or not what they did affected myself my server and the community websites here. There is also no question how they went about it was improper and not acceptable.

 

You also make the assertion that i shouldnt get upset that people use the site as its intended. The site is not intended to be downloaded in one sitting. That is abusive I also dont care that they have the content that they have. I HAVE IT ON LINE FOR PEOPLE TO DOWNLOAD FOR FREE what i do have a problem with is how they went about it and how they abused a free service. I also had issues if they retained data that was not theirs to download.

 

Please argue with me on these points.

 

 

I have made changes to my setup to soften the blow if shit like this happens again. But then again its at my expense. This has a direct impact on this game. It limits what else i could be spending that very same dollars on on advertising or something else for this game.

 

One last edit

Your knowledge as it pertains to VPS and VPS servers as it relates to webhosting i can only imagine is shitty at best.

 

Most VPS environments only guarantee X amount of resources from the HOST. whether that be CPU or memory once you hit that limits your SOL. It really depends on the package the person is on and the type of VPS they are offering you.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Testtube

[krslynx]

I am hosting 69 sites on the server i mentioned including SSDL on the 10 meg pipe In the past YEAR i have had these account on this particular server there has been 0 problems Until ~November 30th If i have 69 sites fighting for resources and then another person slamming it with another 6 to 8 megabits will make the server appear offline. the same way if i was hitting your 2 meg connection with downloads and then had another handful of people trying to access the same server.

 

Which is why I said again, and again that it's an issue with how you've administered the sites. The script queued each download, and downloaded one at a time. Provided that two of the files in the SSDL database make up for around 70% of the entire file list, we'll use the example of downloading Subspace.iso (~500MB).

 

Going by what Cerium has already said, and what is clearly true the bottleneck of speed would happen on CRe's end, not on yours, therefore let's say I download Subspace.iso now, you could expect a bandwidth strain of 192KBps for ~45 minutes. So, are you suggesting that if I had previously downloaded Subspace.iso alone you'd have had all of the global issues that you're on the whole complaining about?

 

I think the reason this happened was a combination of bad timming on THIER part to attempt this while the server was already using X amount of its potential 10 megabits and then the other piece of the pie was the script using X amount of resources

 

Again there is no question whether or not what they did affected myself my server and the community websites here. There is also no question how they went about it was improper and not acceptable.

 

Again, the same argument as above applies. The script done no more damage than me downloading Subspace.iso, and the fact that we are having this discussion right now questions whether it was improper and not acceptable. The bottom line is that you refused to hand over the data in a way that would have been better for both you and L.C., so the conventional method of downloading each file had to be used (which stressed the poorly administered site, and on the whole would have used up more bandwidth and CPU due to more pageviews etc).

 

You also make the assertion that i shouldnt get upset that people use the site as its intended. The site is not intended to be downloaded in one sitting. That is abusive I also dont care that they have the content that they have. I HAVE IT ON LINE FOR PEOPLE TO DOWNLOAD FOR FREE what i do have a problem with is how they went about it and how they abused a free service. I also had issues if they retained data that was not thiers to download.

 

Please argue with me on these points.

 

If the site is not intended to be downloaded in one sitting, then you should have let L.C. grab all of your files as he requested in the first place, and let him provide all of the files in bulk. Instead you went down the path saying that he has no right to the files 'that took you years of work to gather'. Furthermore, I clearly explained exactly how the script worked. It used no illicit methods, it simply visited pages that were COMPLETELY PUBLIC, just like any of the thousands of web crawler bots do *every single day*.

[Testtube]

Its pretty amazing you admit what you did. You admit that you downloaded the entire site in one sitting. But deny the server having issues was because of what you done.

 

You sir are a moron. I believe i have had all these sites hosted on this server for almost a year now and this has never happened before. Then you say "ok" if we did cause your server to go down its because your server sucks and the other reason you give is I should have given LC FTP access so he could of sucked it clean via a ftp client

 

What i should have done at the start of this. After supplying the logs Instead of trying to reason with idiots is just ban the people involved from my webserver and any and all game servers i have access to. and just been done with it and move on.

 

I dont think its to much for you to one admit you screwed up in the manner you obtained the files and to understand why i am pissed regarding what you did to my server while retrieving the files

Edited December 2, 2009 by Testtube

[krslynx]

Its pretty amazing you admit what you did. You admit that you downloaded the entire site in one sitting. But deny the server having issues was because of what you done.

 

You sir are a moron. I believe i have had all these sites hosted on this server for almost a year now and this has never happened before. Then you say "ok" if we did cause your server to go down its because your server sucks and the other reason you give is I should have given LC FTP access so he could of sucked it clean via a ftp client

 

What i should have done at the start of this. After supplying the logs Instead of trying to reason with idiots is just ban the people involved from my webserver and any and all game servers i have access to. and just been done with it and move on.

 

I dont think its to much for you to one admit you screwed up in the manner you obtained the files and to understand why i am pissed regarding what you did to my server while retrieving the files

 

This still doesn't escape the fact that even the weakest of my VPS servers could have served 50 people running the script all at once. Like I said, and I am going to say again, I don't deny the server having issues because of what I done, however I do question that the script is the main contributing factor to what took down your server - your server struggled because it's been administered poorly.

 

Furthermore, banning everybody would have made 0 difference. We've got the files.

 

And I understand why you're pissed. Your server screwed up. But you can't expect me to sit here, and let you call me a fucking criminal because you've administered your server improperly causing the server to go down.

[Testtube]

Actually removing your ability to access the servers. Will ensure this type of behavior from repeating in the future. Not concerned about you having the files now. I am more worried about future offenses

 

I wont go into the other points that you have made as its a simple repeat of what i have already stated. Whether you understand it or believe it happened I cant help that.

 

I don't think you are a criminal I think you might be a idiot with to much time on your hands. Which has caused downtime and damages which has caused me money.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Testtube

[»Ceiu]

Blah blah blah blah

 

Dude, I'm not here to get into a pissing match about who knows more about web hosting than who. I'm only arguing that given the specs of your hosting service and the current scenario, a properly run server should have had no problem serving those files. Running 69 websites on a single VPS with a single 10mbit connection is a horrible idea and you have no business guaranteeing any of the sites you host any kind of reliability or uptime. While this may have worked in the past, you've just learned first-hand that traffic trends are inconsistent, and relying on them to remain constant when you host file serving websites is incredibly stupid.

 

To reiterate a point I've been trying to make this whole time, I don't really see how you can be mad at your users for using one of your sites as it's designed; even if that usage has adverse effect on any other services you're also hosting. If you had a problem with people downloading more than x files over y time intervals, it should be managed server-side. The fact of the matter is, there exists no limitation and, as a result, a single user is capable downloading the entire archive over the course of an hour or two (or whatever), depending on resource limitations.

 

Again, and I can't stress this enough, if you're as strapped for resources as you are, you should be doing everything in your power to help them setup a mirror and, in my opinion, move SSDL entirely. These guys are trying to provide a service to the game by doing something they feel will be helpful (and by all indicated here, certainly will be) which will also be helping you monetarily. This is a win-win scenario for everyone involved, assuming they don't get bored and drop the project (or get discouraged from this nonsense).

[Testtube]

First of all this has never happened in all of the years i have hosted the website 6+? Nor has it happened in the one year+ i have had it on the the VPS it does not have a damn thing to do with traffic patterns or how the server is managed but everything to do with the script harvesting files from my site. They did not use the site as its intended. It is not intended to have a non human raping the site for its content. If they had not used a script and had they not disrupted service this would be a non issue. (going on the assumption only SS content was taken)

 

The entire last part of your point is worthless

 

 

I didnt have a issue with the site I didnt need it to be mirrored. I didnt have a resource issue I didnt have a issue spending the money i was spending for the site to be online. Only until i have idiots running the scripts to harvest content from the site do i start to have a problem. Dont fuck up my server and i wont have a issue. PROBLEM SOLVED and simple enough.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Testtube

[»Xog]

At this point, arguing in this thread is moot. It's no longer about fact vs. fiction but rather opinion vs opinion and I can see right now that nobody is going to change their opinion. So let's just stop arguing, the deed was done and in TT's eyes it was wrong. Don't try to convince him it wasn't, it's his opinion and I think you guys need to respect that.

[krslynx]

You're clearly more of an idiot than I gave you credit for. Firstly, the only files that were downloaded were the files:

 

http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=1
http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=2
http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=3
....
http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=1350

 

If you have any files that are personal under those URLs, then you should know that they're completely public - therefore, it's nothing short of being fucking autistic to host those files there and complain when they're downloaded. So bullshit to you imaging me to have taken your personal files, and if you do have any files there they shouldn't have damn well been there.

 

Secondly, removing my access of the server will not change a damn thing for the following reasons:

 

• I did not write the script that was used to take the files from your server, I wrote a different one
  
• I did not use the script
  
• I do not intend to download any files from you
  
• I gain nothing from your downtime, or give a shit about how poorly you administer your 70 or so businesses from a single fucking VPS, while openly admitting that you already have I/O and B/W errors... Oh, and then being shocked that the server ran into issues when somebody started to actually use the fucking site.
  
• I have little to no interest in Subspace anymore.
  
• Even if I did want to damage your server, downloading a bunch of files would be the last option on my list
  
• I could easily circumvent a ban you make, seeing as you don't seem very savvy about anything so far at all
  
• All of the above.
  

 

Even if you did ban me, in all probability I wouldn't even notice.

 

Thirdly, your actions in spending more money on the server to ensure it won't go down again explicitly proves that you have yourself noticed your own poor administration practices. It's nothing short of naive to blame your sites for going down when you can half expect them to go down when they're put under (in this case slight) strain. I think I am done listening to your bullshit accusations for now.

[Testtube]

You're clearly more of an idiot than I gave you credit for. Firstly, the only files that were downloaded were the files:

 

http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=1
http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=2
http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=3
....
http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=1350

 

If you have any files that are personal under those URLs, then you should know that they're completely public - therefore, it's nothing short of being fucking autistic to host those files there and complain when they're downloaded. So bullshit to you imaging me to have taken your personal files, and if you do have any files there they shouldn't have damn well been there.

 

Secondly, removing my access of the server will not change a damn thing for the following reasons:

 

• I did not write the script that was used to take the files from your server, I wrote a different one
  
• I did not use the script
  
• I do not intend to download any files from you
  
• I gain nothing from your downtime, or give a shit about how poorly you administer your 70 or so businesses from a single fucking VPS, while openly admitting that you already have I/O and B/W errors... Oh, and then being shocked that the server ran into issues when somebody started to actually use the fucking site.
  
• I have little to no interest in Subspace anymore.
  
• Even if I did want to damage your server, downloading a bunch of files would be the last option on my list
  
• I could easily circumvent a ban you make, seeing as you don't seem very savvy about anything so far at all
  
• All of the above.
  

 

Even if you did ban me, in all probability I wouldn't even notice.

 

Thirdly, your actions in spending more money on the server to ensure it won't go down again explicitly proves that you have yourself noticed your own poor administration practices. It's nothing short of naive to blame your sites for going down when you can half expect them to go down when they're put under (in this case slight) strain. I think I am done listening to your bullshit accusations for now.

 

[1st point] Addressed

The question whether or not you had managed to take personal files came when i was at work paying for the server i donate to this community. It was not immediately clear how this happened as i was working from a cell phone or from work. (As i made mention to LC) both the fact that i was at work and the fact that i was not certain if my personal files had been harvested during this pillage of my site. It was not until later that night that i had time to go over the Apache logs to see what you guys have done. (also the same time that i told cre that i wasnt going to pursue anything legally) I think think this over explains your first point but sometimes you have to dumb things down.

 

 

[2nd point] Addressed

 

* The fact that you didn't write the script makes no difference You are part of the group that took part in this situation. Congrats on making a additional script

 

* I am glad that you did not use the script. however after the comments made in this forum and your opinion on the matter lumps you into a particular group i would rather not associate or waste my resources on.

 

* You did not intend to download any files from me? huh? what?

 

* regarding not giving a shit? Well i would think you should After all we are all trying to help the same community. I wouldn't hurt you and say HAHA i don't give a shit. I dont have 70 business on this machine the majority are non critical sites that i host to help others out. Well shit you should know you asked me for hosting only a couple of months ago??.

 

Maybe if i wasn't so busy and was able to catch each other online around the same time i could of set that account up for you. Perhaps maybe even then you would care if someone was fucking with the server you had your personal shit on. Now to bring up the point you make about my server hardware. I am not rich. I have a family to feed and to take care of we are going into the Christmas season and America is facing one of the worst depressions ever. Her in the area i am in over 10.5 percent unemployment numbers and still rising.

 

When you are in the business of helping people and times are tough you have to make sacrifices and cut backs. SSFORUM and SSDL enjoyed several years on a enterprise class server which i payed for out of my pocket. With the huge decrease in population over a couple of years it made more than enough sense to move it to a VPS. The VPS is with a very reputable company in the industry and i pay very well for the bandwidth that i do consume. But it allowed me to cut some costs and continue to offer free services to friends family's local business and a couple that pay regularly that don't want see taking anything free in life. With that being said the main server that hosts several virtual private servers i am sure at this point has reached its capacity after being on the server for atleast a year now or close to it. I am also given limits to how much ram and cpu of the main server i have access to. This has never been a issue until you guys used your script on my site. The fact that you say that its poor server administration is complete and total bullshit. Its called getting by with whats needed under normal use. You and your friends put abnormal use on the server. I can show you where the site gets hit frequently with stats going back a long time. And this has never happened before.

 

I did not make the site another community member and friend Thebajan made the site. And we both understand that its not the best it has issues and needs to be re-made. I have made several posts requesting help in that effort several times over the years. Again this is not poor server administrating. And lastly to finish this point up the site was being used fine for atleast a year on this particular server. However when you abused the site that's when we started having issues.

 

 

* Thats sad

 

* I see good to know

 

* To address this point i would like to remind you This is the internet You have 0 clue who i am what i do or anything about me. And the same goes for me not knowing shit about you. The world is a crazy place and i am sure life will treat you better if you keep that in mind.

 

[third point] Addressed

 

I am spending additional money to aquire additional bandwidth capacity from my provider. I am having to do this because you and your friends pillaged the SSDL website by using a script which consumed ~80 percent of the total bandwidth available leaving at best 20 percent for the 69 other sites on the account. For several hours. No one has ever done this before. a 10 meg pipe is about 8 times more than what SSDL used to have at its peak. back when it was first brought online. in any event this does not show poor server management this shows poor judgment on a handful of people. The ability to do what you have done has always been there you didnt invent some super script to pillage my site People could of done this years and years and years ago. The fact that no one has done it until now if anything should show that its a bad idea.

 

Lastly I host a lot of people that do different things with their account in fact i signed up syrus and i am hosting a couple of active sites for him. I never receive complaints mainly because how well i run things.. Your assertions are false and unfounded.

 

Could you please paste the part of the code in the script that waits until the file is completely downloaded before moving on. Can you also provide proof that it never moved on without first completing the file that it was on..

Edited December 3, 2009 by Testtube

[»Swift]

Lynx's ability to post has been revoked by this guy here. Don't need anymore drama.

[Testtube]

The plot thickens a bit.....

 

 

From what i understand and the logs show Cre is the one that executed the script and was downloading the content

 

69.113.210.18--- This traces to a optonline.net Which as many of you know is one of the leaders in break kneck speeds ISP providers

I have also found out it appears he has a business account. For the base pacakge of 30 dollars a month he has a 15 meg download connection. If he has the 45 dollar a month plan hes now up to 30 meg download and if hes really hard core it gets him 101 megabits per second 10 times the amount i have for my dedicated server.

 

67.54.231.207 - after researching this ip address i have found there is no way this IP had anything to do with the downtime of my server.

 

147.143.252.2** - Is LYNX which i dont believe caused any issues.

 

 

I would also like to attach comments from a recent instant message convo i had with LC. Normally i attest people who post instant messaging logs. but i wanted to let the fucking truth be known. What was done. And everything that i said was 100 percent factual. The people that fell and jumped on the bandwagon You also look like a moron..

 

 

 

[20:57] testtube302: Was cre the one that downloaded the files

[20:57] testtube302: The reason why i ask.

[20:57] testtube302: I found his ip....

[20:57] testtube302: And its associated with a optounum online account.

[20:58] testtube302: The reason why thats of importance

[20:58] testtube302: Is i think the lowest package they offer is like ~10 mbps

[20:58] hlrsecom: Cre was the one who downloaded the files, and he executed the script from his own machine using his own hardware and internet.

[20:59] testtube302: i have never heard blueyonder

[20:59] testtube302: 67.54.231.207

[20:59] hlrsecom: He has a business subscription (allowed to host servers) I believe.

[20:59] testtube302: or whatever.

[20:59] hlrsecom: BlueYonder I believe is a gaming ISP or something.

[20:59] testtube302: wildblue i am sorry

[20:59] hlrsecom: I recognize the name from the Half-Life environment

[20:59] hlrsecom: Ah

[20:59] hlrsecom: Wildblue is my Internet.

[20:59] testtube302: but i dont believe they offer speeds that he was pulling

[20:59] hlrsecom: They provide Satellite.

[21:00] hlrsecom: Haha, no way. Maximum I could have pulled at best conditions is 128 KB/s

[21:00] hlrsecom: It usually isn't in best conditions

[21:00] testtube302: is cre online?

[21:00] hlrsecom: He disappeared.

[21:00] testtube302: Can you see now how the issues with my server

[21:00] testtube302: could of happened?

[21:01] hlrsecom: I am beginning to see your situation more clearly, I'm still curious about how a script could have done it.

[21:01] testtube302: You have a person with at the very min. a 10 meg connection if its bussiness class i am sure its more.

[21:01] testtube302: My latest reply to Lynx had this in it.

[21:01] testtube302: Could you please paste the part of the code in the script that waits until the file is completely downloaded before moving on. Can you also provide proof that it never moved on without first completing the file that it was on..

[21:02] testtube302: Can you provide the code to the script that shows it waits before it moves on.

[21:02] hlrsecom: If all the files were downloaded on a 100mbit connection through Firefox, one file at a time, do you think the load would be the same on your servers as result of this event with script?

[21:02] hlrsecom: By the way, I did suggest to L Y N X that he provide a copy of the full script as poroof of its functionality

[21:02] hlrsecom: I suggested this at the beginning of the thread before he and Cre made replies

[21:03] hlrsecom: I told them to provide the script to eliminate the accusation that the script may contain bugs or potential malfunctions that would pull extra bandwidth

[21:03] hlrsecom: They, at least L Y N X, said he won't do it because they shouldn't have to...or something along these lines

[21:05] hlrsecom: Also, at the beginning of the thread when you first made your reply, I have considered the possibility of server loads coincidentally already being high or experiencing a higher traffic than usual, possibly contributing to the 'server crash'

[21:06] hlrsecom: I do not quite recall noticing the server crash, assuming SSDL and SSF are on the same server, as I was refreshing SSF for new posts frequently....I only noticed that IPBB locked me out due to high server loads.

[21:07] hlrsecom: I remember complaining to Cre that SSF is "down" due to high server loads

[21:07] hlrsecom: This was while he was downloading.

[21:08] hlrsecom: I do not think Cre really had intentions to be malicious or cause this problem -- although using a script to do this in one sitting in just common knowledge, I think, should clearly have been a stupid and childish thing. Unfortunately, I must admit, I think I would have fallen into the same trap without giving it a second thought if I knew how to program in Python

[21:09] hlrsecom: As soon as 'legal' and 'DMCA' entered the picture, Cre was freaking out a lot

[21:10] testtube302: are you fucking serious

[21:10] testtube302: You have known this the entire time

[21:10] testtube302: but you let your friends

[21:10] testtube302: verbally beat the shit out of me on ssforum

[21:10] hlrsecom: I didn't tell them to do it.

[21:10] hlrsecom: I told them to stop actually

[21:11] hlrsecom: And over the past cfew days I have been constantly trying to write a reply, for which I have always found myself at a deadlock in trying to write an appropriate one.

[21:12] testtube302: You have lost alot of respect from me.

[21:13] testtube302: i am pretty blown away.

[21:13] testtube302: As you have seen me defending the stance that i took

[21:13] testtube302: You kept this out of the picture

[21:13] testtube302: And allowed them to do this on the forum with the replies knowing

[21:13] testtube302: What you know.

[21:13] hlrsecom: How about this:

[21:14] testtube302: even after i told you to please get involed.

Edited December 3, 2009 by Testtube

[Testtube]

swift go ahead and give him his access back please.