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[X_PennyWise]

We're all trying to legitimately discuss plans that will affect the welfare of the game

In all honesty, and as much as it pains me to do so, I'd side with the dimwit (Chambahs) and call you stupid. "HAHAHA, you're stupid"

 

Plans that will affect the welfare of the game? Sorry, no.

The game is already dead. What may be affected is what meager population of tired dogs that is left. Your 'plans' are moot and irrelevant, they affect nobody.

The only change possible for this game will come from either someone with money who can pay for advertisements and hosting service or from someone with keen knowledge of game programming and willingness to commit the time to actually produce something tangible. Everything else is mere empty vocals which carry no weight. By deeds, not by words. The sooner that you realize it to be so and cease grinding syllables like Don Quixote's eternal windmills the better.

 

This is the exact attitude that has led to the situation we're in right now. I'll have to side with Chambahs too, and say GTFO of this thread.

 

For the last 11-12 years I've played this game, I've seen people like you. I hate to single you out, so please do not take direct offense to what I'm going to say. I've heard this game was dead numerous times from numerous people, and those people always fade away while the game continues to maintain a population. The negative attitude is always more noticeable than the positive, people will always recognize the naysayers, before even seeing what is really going on.

 

I am busting my ass to help get a population in Metal Gear. I worked hard to help create it with Kirk and JC, and I will continue to work even harder to bring it back. Will I get noticed? Probably not, but that isn't what's important to me. That's the difference between me and you, while you tell everyone that SS is dead and call anyone an idiot who says otherwise, I will strive to prove you wrong.

 

Bottom line is that I am not the only one, there are many of us trying new things to improve the game. The thing that makes SS so great, is that every idea that meant something to this game was thought of outside the box. This game is too unique to die, and there are still many out there like me who feel that's worth the effort.

 

So maybe you think it's dead, but please spew your BS somewhere else, maybe an emo forum?

 

EDIT: And to tell me that the remaining population are all old vets, is absolutely ludicrous. Between EG, TW, and Chaos there are over 400 people, and I have a hard time believing they are all "old dogs," as you put it.

Edited December 27, 2009 by X_PennyWise

[MikeTheNose]

EDIT: And to tell me that the remaining population are all old vets, is absolutely ludicrous. Between EG, TW, and Chaos there are over 400 people, and I have a hard time believing they are all "old dogs," as you put it.

 

 

There are 1000's who play this game. They just don't play all at the same time. In a year I may have a total unique player count.

[Gravitron]

This entire enchilada below is the very thesis of what I stated earlier.

All this boobling leads to nothing productive, only to blabber and feuding. Stop talking about what is good for the game and start DOING what is good for the game.

 

 

This is the exact attitude that has led to the situation we're in right now

What attitude? To stop the jabber and get cranking, and if you can't crank, then remain quiet?

Yes, you're obviously right. We should keep yammering, flapping our gums, have another ten years of internal fights and words being flung, mostly by people who have no influence over anything, without anyone doing anything tangible. Because, obviously, doing that has NOT led us to the situation we're in right now - barely with players, barely with development, and a closed-source client whose maker attired a cloak and vanished. It is only natural that if we were to spam message boards with inane drivel and insults under the guise of 'discussions' a new savior programmer will magically appear, and people will start flocking in at great masses.

Why, I do believe the two of us are engaged in such positive activity at this very moment, I can feel my toes tingling, the change must be already underway! Wendy, I can fly! Dorothy, we're going home!

 

For the last 11-12 years I've played this game, I've seen people like you. I hate to single you out, so please do not take direct offense to what I'm going to say. I've heard this game was dead numerous times from numerous people, and those people always fade away while the game continues to maintain a population. The negative attitude is always more noticeable than the positive, people will always recognize the naysayers, before even seeing what is really going on.

And in the several decades I've spent around the 'net, before there was even Internet, I was able to see that which is before me in plain sight. Recognize the obvious patterns and trends and make, easy to come by, predictions which have come true. And if you've followed any of what I have just said you'd realize that a monkey can do it. Yes, even a monkey can see that this game is dying. It had a massive stroke back in 98. SubSpace essentially died that day. It was reborn via the community, which went strong for a while, but the initial velocity has rapidly waned since the first several years. SubSpace died a second death and was reincarnated as Continuum, the great promise, which ended up failing miserably due to Priit losing motivation/free-time and taking his keys and going home.

 

For the past 12 years (by the way, I highly doubt that you've played this game for longer than 10 years, at best) all I've seen is people, most of whom removed from any position of influence or capability to influence, or which their influence would've served the game better were they removed from any position of authority or decision-making capability within it, permanently, bickering, and squabbling, causing in-fighting between staff, council members and zone players and so on. And lots of people who say what if we do this, or if we do that, or we should do this and we should do that and in the end, nothing is done, nothing is changed, and no one give a rat's ass beyond their own little power-base's scope.

Enough words. I tired of words. If any of you wish to DO something then shut your yap and GO DO IT. If you can't do jack shit, then shut up and find someone who can and who WILL.

Otherwise, you are meaningless and so is everything which is coming out of your mouth.

Ghost Ship has already given up on the lot of you, and with good reason. Realize why, and work to CHANGE that. Otherwise, you can STFU&GTFO and you can go burn in hell.

 

I am busting my ass to help get a population in Metal Gear. I worked hard to help create it with Kirk and JC, and I will continue to work even harder to bring it back. Will I get noticed? Probably not, but that isn't what's important to me. That's the difference between me and you, while you tell everyone that SS is dead and call anyone an idiot who says otherwise, I will strive to prove you wrong.

Yes, great, awesome, good for you. I'm sure your players are happy. No one gives a fuck.

Sorry, but for one to talk about emos you seem mighty emo. Or maybe I got it on the wrong side of the coin and you're an egomaniac. This kind of reeks from "me me me me me me me me me", well sonny, your medal's in the mail.

 

Bottom line is that I am not the only one, there are many of us trying new things to improve the game.

Yes, there are. So pipe down, Mr. Achiever of the Year. Many are indeed doing what they can, and find right, in their personal zone, to help keep it going. Great for all of you. But this has no affect on SubSpace as a whole.

The thing that makes SS so great, is that every idea that meant something to this game was thought of outside the box.

I don't know where you came up with that or even where to begin to dismiss it and argue why you're an idiot for making such a statement. Suffice that we say that, no, every idea that meant something to this game was not thought of outside the box. There are definitely some great ideas, but it took from Rod's creativity, as well as players suggestions and in addition long time of testing and refinement to bring those. Some might be outside of the box, but not every single idea. If you'd like I'm pretty sure I can have Rod go on record saying that for you.

This game is too unique to die, and there are still many out there like me who feel that's worth the effort.

 

So maybe you think it's dead, but please spew your BS somewhere else, maybe an emo forum?

It's dead because it has a negative population growth. It's dead because it has become such a niche that it has its own niche inside the niche (ok that sounds stupid... point is that it's a very old game and isn't very appealing to outsiders and contemporary gamers). It's dead because it has spiritually died several times already. It's dead because those who mattered, those who were influencial, those who were BENEFICIAL for it as a whole, for the most part, have long departed the scene and leaving only the rot and corrupt to rule behind.

 

EDIT: And to tell me that the remaining population are all old vets, is absolutely ludicrous. Between EG, TW, and Chaos there are over 400 people, and I have a hard time believing they are all "old dogs," as you put it.

I said tired dogs, I did not say old dogs. Please refrain from quoting someone until you acquire a pair of glasses and a knack for being attentive to details.

The remaining population is most definitely not all old vets.

Majority are newbs from circa 2004, some are from Y2K, and a few from 98, very few are from prior periods and I don't think there're beyond, say, two people who go all the way back to sniper (Zennor, for example, who no longer plays).

Edited December 27, 2009 by Ori Klein

[X_PennyWise]

tl;dr

 

I've officially grown tired of your posts

 

EDIT: Actually, that isn't fair. I'll give you a response.

 

I don't know where to start, since you picked out pieces of my post and replied at each, Fox News style.

 

For a person that is saying less talk and more action, I've seen you do nothing but talk down to everyone on every thread your present on. Do YOU actually do anything, or do you just troll these forums and try to shit on anyone that you don't feel is worthy? I'm sorry, but go find a rock that cares about how long you've been around on the internet and crawl underneath it. I don't need to prove my length of time playing this game, I try to stay away from the "my e-penis is bigger than your e-penis" arguments as much as I can.

 

I wasn't trying to talk up on myself Ori, I was trying to emphasize a point that there are people working on things without your infinite knowledge. I'm just one individual in one dead zone trying to do something, I don't want any kudos. I mean if SS is dead, who is there to give me my kudos that I so desperately want?

 

There are still people out there that choose to use their spare time to help improve their zones or SS. There are many people that have been helping me in particular, like Audry, Aarbear, Polix, and freak. Notice that they don't troll the forums?

 

And then there's you, who chooses to make sure everyone is aware of his wisdom of the internet, but hasn't done a damn thing.

 

Less jibber jab on these forums Ori, and then maybe you can start helping?

 

PS- Are you the Zohan or something? Nice profile pic man

Edited December 27, 2009 by X_PennyWise

[Gravitron]

Which is why you've had to quote the entire thing just to say "tl;dr", a commonly considered infraction in most civilized forum net-societies, and admit your defeat and incompetence at arguing your points by calling quits via a lame 'you're too stupid'-esque excuse.

 

A very well refined and witty retort...if we were in kindergarten and you were to attempt to refute my claim that batman can beat superman.

Edited December 27, 2009 by Ori Klein

[X_PennyWise]

Which is why you've had to quote the entire thing just to say "tl;dr", a commonly considered infraction in most civilized forum net-societies, and admit your defeat and incompetence at arguing your points by calling quits via a lame 'you're too stupid'-esque excuse.

 

A very well refined and witty retort...if we were in kindergarten and you were to attempt to refute my claim that batman can beat superman.

 

Heh, you are on top of your threads aren't you? I literally clicked the Edit button about a min after my post, and before I could finish, there you were. Mr. Troll himself, coming to drop some more knowledge on the lowly newbs of SS. Please, I'm done with this Ori. I don't want to have to pay to troll toll

[rootbear75]

this whole topic is full of TL:DR

[PoLiX]

There is always those who are negative and those who are positive. It is the way of the force of SubSpace. Yeah lame I know, but it tis true, hah.

[»jabjabjab]

Stop using my name for arguing!!! Yes I know Im important in every conversation but this is too much xP

[Confess]

Pennywise, I like your efforts. It is people like you that actually help keep the game alive and zones alive - ones that strive for success no matter what people say. This is why Halo lasted as long as it did, for anyone that remembers its history.

 

This thread has outlasted anything and has turned into a flame war, perhaps it should be considered to be locked/split - or a new thread created?

 

Regards,

Confess

[»jabjabjab]

or just ban Ori Klein @ remove all the flame war posts in here.

 

was once an admin of a forums and i had this one kid try to have the most posts and he was banned from the forums for 30 days and i removed all the useless posts he did, and it was over 300 hahahaha.

[Chambahs]

FLAMEEEEEEEEE RAGEEEEEEEEEEE

[rootbear75]

or just ban Ori Klein @ remove all the flame war posts in here.

thats not gonna happen.

 

if u guys would stop responding to grav's posts then there wouldnt be flaming. u'd be surprised how much logic is in his posts if you read between the sarcasm lines

Edited December 29, 2009 by rootbear75

[Gravitron]

Sadly, as always, I predicted correctly.
The population count on the client is so low now it is truly tear-jerking.

[L.C.]

+1 to Ori Klein

 

I've still been visiting every now and then to find emotions evoking deep within me. This game was a huge part of my life, and it's scary to finally let go of it all for good.