SSC Access

[PoLiX]

actually it has begun. It just hasn't been completed yet as it is a process that takes some time.

 

All I'll say is it has to do with the council.

[Sketter]

All I'll say is it has to do with the council.

 

Ah. Well now there's the reason why its slow.

 

Let's place bets for which decade this will come to a conclusion.

 

And anything that has to do with the council, is already a bad idea.

Edited December 20, 2009 by Sketter

[Confess]

Something tells me its plans for more bureaucracy! W00t! Well, by all means - if you need something from I or would like my help in anything, as always - I have a spirit of help, so give me a ring. SSForums or my email is the best form of contact. confess321 at yahoo.com.

[General Shadow]

As far as I know, nothing has happened.

[»Lynx]

Was that sarcasm, or did you say bureaucracy by accident?

[Confess]

Sarcasm. From Polix's previous post, one can assume that he's working on transferring the 'council' to zone owners/etc or something, which can be good and bad - but probably moreso, bad.

[»Lynx]

Mhmm, either way I don't honestly see a viable solution to make any situation with the council good, but fair point.

[PoLiX]

Actually for once the council is being cleansed of those who don't make the requirements to be on it, and others are being added (IE: Arnk, Dr Brain, etc.) along with more open requirements being made towards devs.

[Audry]

About time.

[rootbear75]

About time.

QFE

[L.C.]

Let's place bets for which decade this will come to a conclusion.

That money could be better spent polishing turd advertising. Edited December 23, 2009 by L.C.

[»Xog]

Let's place bets for which decade this will come to a conclusion.

That money could be better spent polishing turd.

Let's hope I'm reading this wrong. I don't want you spending my donation money on polishing turds.

[L.C.]

Let's place bets for which decade this will come to a conclusion.

That money could be better spent polishing turd.

Let's hope I'm reading this wrong. I don't want you spending my donation money on polishing turds.

Was quoting someone who used the phrase "polishing turd." O_o Heh, sorry about that. For one though, getcontinuum.com really needs to get that Google Analytics code in its webpage so that we can track how many of the clicks are actually for downloading the client. Tomorrow I will see if I can get ahold of Wonderer.

[»Xog]

lol i was just kidding

 

im not very good at making funnies

Edited December 23, 2009 by Xog

[Steigerwald]

I have been following the forums for a while now, and I see some momentum with what Polix is trying to do. Great plans are always seem to be devised in this community, but acting on them always stops because of the God like figure that rules the biller and client. Hope you succeed.

[Confess]

Cool, But I dont think adding anyone to the council, or even the council period, will do anything. They honestly are quite powerless, period. Its a bunch of people getting together saying how they want 'this' done and 'that', but never actually do anything. The council is a lost cause - just like any form of a council on anything non-government related. While I'm not from Missouri, I was born there - Show Me. Show me that this will actually accomplish anything other then the current appearance that the BILLER is run by a bunch of powerless power-whore mongers. Continuum is dieing, a lot - moreso then anyone can fathom. I was there with VIE - I was there when it turned into Subspace, and I was there when Continuum spawned up. I know how the population has fluctuated, and while it is not as bad as when Subspace went pay to play, some may argue that it is getting there. Cool, you're taking an innitiative to purge the council - But money talks, and the council does not have a source of income to improve the game, nor a way of making money.

 

We need players.

Players come from advertisements.

Advertisements come from Web, TV, Radio, and Friend to friend.

Some web advertisements are in place - hasnt helped much if at all.

TV advertisements are expensive.

Radio advertisments arent that expensive, but who's got the money to pay for it?

Friend to friend - has helped keep SS Alive.

 

How can we get an income?

Donations, adsense, etc.

 

Would I trust this group with my money?

No. If I donated, whats to say my money will not be stolen/etc or used in a fashion which I would not prefer? PROVE YOURSELVES TO ME - You've lost your merit long ago when you decided to let this game rot by not doing a single bit/quitting/etc while people such as myself, testtube, Altec, freakmonger spent hundreds and thousands of dollars on servers/etc to give zones an opportunity to live and thrive.

 

[Sketter]

Cool, But I dont think adding anyone to the council, or even the council period, will do anything. They honestly are quite powerless, period. Its a bunch of people getting together saying how they want 'this' done and 'that', but never actually do anything. The council is a lost cause - just like any form of a council on anything non-government related. While I'm not from Missouri, I was born there - Show Me. Show me that this will actually accomplish anything other then the current appearance that the BILLER is run by a bunch of powerless power-whore mongers. Continuum is dieing, a lot - moreso then anyone can fathom. I was there with VIE - I was there when it turned into Subspace, and I was there when Continuum spawned up. I know how the population has fluctuated, and while it is not as bad as when Subspace went pay to play, some may argue that it is getting there. Cool, you're taking an innitiative to purge the council - But money talks, and the council does not have a source of income to improve the game, nor a way of making money.

 

We need players.

Players come from advertisements.

Advertisements come from Web, TV, Radio, and Friend to friend.

Some web advertisements are in place - hasnt helped much if at all.

TV advertisements are expensive.

Radio advertisments arent that expensive, but who's got the money to pay for it?

Friend to friend - has helped keep SS Alive.

 

How can we get an income?

Donations, adsense, etc.

 

Would I trust this group with my money?

No. If I donated, whats to say my money will not be stolen/etc or used in a fashion which I would not prefer? PROVE YOURSELVES TO ME - You've lost your merit long ago when you decided to let this game rot by not doing a single bit/quitting/etc while people such as myself, testtube, Altec, freakmonger spent hundreds and thousands of dollars on servers/etc to give zones an opportunity to live and thrive.

 

 

I think a good sum of us can agree with this.

 

What's Interesting, is that if you really look into how what the subSpace council govern, there isn't much they actually govern. They don't give "zones" access(polix even said GS normally doesn't ask), they don't do bans, they don't advertise, they don't do development, the only thing that has been confirmed was they get asked when adding a zone host.

 

The original intent of SSC was a communication council. (They should have been called SSCC - SubSpace communication council) and that was even said by Priitk and quoted by many others.

 

Unless they change their mission statement, what their doing is just changing people around that already do nothing.

 

Happy Holidays! Maybe Santa will bring us a new client? :X

[PoLiX]

No post you make anymore makes quite any sense confess. That or you just don't think before you click that post button.

 

The council not spending money? Half the people who spend money on this game, if not more were/are on it. While I never supported nor allowed the council to get involved in my actions (which many still wonder wtf I was doing, and consider my "rise to power" quite odd, as I've heard this from more than one of them lately) the active ones are the ones keeping this game alive. They are the ones paying the bills, hosting the zones, helping keep SSC alive and running.

 

Freakmonger - Member of the council, SSCC Host

Testtube - Member of the council, former sscc host (+ T1 + many other servers), ssdl, etc.

Ghost Ship - Member of the council, former SSCE host, the only level headed person keeping the SSC Biller together

Hoch - Member of the council, picked up SSCI only to have all the servers be hosting dead zones so shut it down (as you mentioned/requested in your other thread), and DSB Host (he pays, argyle admins)

Mine Go Boom - Member of the council, has hosted the server help website and many svs zone websites for quite a long time now

PriitK - Hosts almost literally all the rest of SSC (-2 SSCE zones and T3), and until his life became busy, and he began actually MAKING money off of work he did, he was a "Savior" to this game.

Pure_Luck - Member of the council, hosts TW's websites

 

Every person on that list, even 2 who've I've butted heads with many time before, I'd trust more than yourself with any sum of money, saving this game, or hosting my websites.

 

There is a reason I ignore your "offers", I have never had reason nor seen reason to trust you. Plain and simple as that.

 

As for getting players, you can advertise all you want, but bringing 10 or 20 at a time into this game won't help. We need something more massive, and we need to make sure we have something to offer. L.C. is doing a good thing with testing the waters of advertising and help figure out what we need in order to advertise. I have no issue giving him money every few weeks to test this, and he's doing a lot of the major legwork, and for that I thank him. But in all honesty, I don't see a lot coming from what he is doing just yet. I think he knows this reading his posts, and I thank him for his efforts.

 

And don't get me wrong. I still think a lot of this community is worthless and no longer tries. But those who are trying, have to realize, for all the years we have ran this game, many efforts are 1 person doing all the work/pulling all the weight. Just there use to be more people doing it on their own than there is now. Only a few times in this games history have multiple people worked together to do anything. And you talk like the council should be some special super group capable of this. Our goal is to turn the council back into what it was originally created for. A group to share info between zones, and make decisions concerning the SSC Biller. Not this "We run the game, not you" and "We're the greatest and best" group that others turned it into. Yes, they will be a governing body who decides wheter a new client should be adopted or not, but they are the zone owners/zone sysops with active zones and actual population... so obviously they have every right there.

[General Shadow]

Someone want to do a quick sum up for me? And what is this council?

[Confess]

Polix, my point is that they are useless in their current state - and they throw up their power whore mongering attitude while real people pay the bills, Case-and-point, SVS. You didnt say you were aiming towards changing their way of acting, but history shows that at one point or another it will happen again - but for the moment, that is good. However, you state that you're adding council members/etc, yet you yourself have said you would not join the council. How do you expect to do anything with no viable option of power other then the respect others have for you? Have your changed your mind as to joining the council?

 

As far as my offers to help you, not only do they still stand - but are also strengthened, I express them to you, along with anyone else trying to help this game, again.

Edited December 23, 2009 by Confess

[Sketter]

Yes, they will be a governing body who decides wheter a new client should be adopted or not, but they are the zone owners/zone sysops with active zones and actual population... so obviously they have every right there.

 

Has there been a new removal preceding that has been introduced to remove old members? Or will old SSC members still be eligible for council votes?

 

I would like to quote "Yes, they will be a governing body". Now was that in reference to the following part on the client, or will SSC start to look over new areas to govern?

 

Thanks!!

[»doc flabby]

Polix I approve greatly of this, its something I've been wanting to see for years.

 

I can only hope it lives up the its promise <3

 

I suggest the #1 item on the council's agenda is a replacement client for Continuum. That more than anything will ensure the long-term survival of this game, in terms of short-term survival advertising and the work on the portal are just as important.

 

So really their are two main things to work on, how we are going to survive and grow NOW and in the FUTURE.

[Kilo]

This thread is funny.

 

I suggest the #1 item on the council's agenda is a replacement client for Continuum.

Cool story. Let me know when there is one to recommend. Namely it has to be able to do everything Continuum does or replace functionality appropriately. It has to be open source and extensible or we'll be having this conversation again in 10 years. This is not easy, and this is why we do not have a candidate as of yet. Also (alternate interpretation:) I don't hope you expect anyone let alone the council to commission such a thing. That is asking for trouble and if that's what you meant I will explain further.

 

Yes, they will be a governing body who decides whether a new client should be adopted or not, but they are the zone owners/zone sysops with active zones and actual population... so obviously they have every right there.

That's partially correct, but in reality it will be a de facto change, because the council will not/should not be forcing zone owners into something they don't want to do. In fact, I have a very strong feeling that Continuum and another client will be in use concurrently for a long time, because you're not going to get anyone to switch overnight. This is even assuming that Subgame would be modified in such a way to allow these new clients or that there was a genuine method to have the new client pretend to be Continuum to servers that didn't.

 

As long as the zones could still connect to SSC (and offer the new client to Continuum users via update), the community at large will not change, other than an inconvenience of having two clients for people who want to play multiple zones.

 

Does this mean the council is impotent or irrelevant? No, the most important thing about it is the communication factor. I think many people misunderstand that idea. For the community at large it's pretty plain that the game grows not from a central authority but from the individual zones and people working on their own to make something great. Would that maybe in the future there are cross-zone efforts as well--politics is a major barrier in this case.

[»jabjabjab]

Im wondering, why is P_L a part of the council? When SSCouncil power was needed to remove the whole hacker threat from ss and netban this one guy a few months ago, he only protected trench wars, leaving other zones in ssc vulnerable to this guy's tinkering. SSC should care about everyone, and i just dont see this making sense.

 

[/offtopic]

 

Anyways, this new client bullshit talk is only going to stay talk unless you dsmn coders decide to work together and either finish discretion, or use the pspace source and make something out of it. Tired of you kids doing seperate projects. Competition is quite healthy, but in this case deadly.

Edited December 24, 2009 by jabjabjab

[»freakmonger]

This thread is funny.

 

I suggest the #1 item on the council's agenda is a replacement client for Continuum.

I don't hope you expect anyone let alone the council to commission such a thing. That is asking for trouble and if that's what you meant I will explain further.

 

Actually there has been and currently is talk within the Council about a new client. The problem is finding somebody who is:

A ) Capable

B ) Trustworthy enough

C ) Has time

 

Most of the "Major Devs" in subspace has 2 of the 3 above. Most of them (probably 95%) is missing C.