Apple Voiding Smokers' Warranties?

[L.C.]

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/11/21/147253/Apple-Voiding-Smokers-Warranties

[Samapico]

I don't really agree that they did void warranty, since it probably wasn't in the contract, but they should add it in the contract. Smoke residues are nasty and can jam a machine real quick. But then again, they'd probably have to add clauses for pet owners, and everything that can mess it up.

[»Xog]

I don't really agree that they did void warranty, since it probably wasn't in the contract, but they should add it in the contract. Smoke residues are nasty and can jam a machine real quick. But then again, they'd probably have to add clauses for pet owners, and everything that can mess it up.

 

^this.

 

Another factor: Dust.

Are they going to start voiding warranties for users that don't vaccuum and clean up their house? Seriously. LOL!

[L.C.]

Xog, there is a difference between the buildup of sticky grime and tar in heatsinks, fan blades, etc. Yeah, dust does this too, but dust doesn't go as far as pathogenic tar and grime that coats every millimeter inside the computer.

 

Also, if you are a smoker (hypothetically), you drive your car every day. Then there comes a day when you want to sell your car. Now tell me, what is the resale value of your car compared to the same car without it being used by a smoker?

Edited November 23, 2009 by L.C.

[whalz]

... really now, what is the resale value of any car unless its less than 5 years old.. seriously.

 

a 2002 never smoked in is only worth 3grand.. a 2002 that had a smoker in it is probably worth............ 3 grand.. provided you vacume it out..

 

 

unless your blowing your smoke exhale into your computer components.. this is just really silly.

 

but then if i double think it. Who really smokes and sits at the computer.? and if they do and they own an apple, they r probably homosexual anyway

[LiDDiS]

I can see where they are coming from. I used to smoke and that shit really did fuck up the fans and air vents like nothing else.

[L.C.]

... really now, what is the resale value of any car unless its less than 5 years old.. seriously.

 

a 2002 never smoked in is only worth 3grand.. a 2002 that had a smoker in it is probably worth............ 3 grand.. provided you vacume it out..

Do you smoke or have you sat in a car that was smoked in? I have never smoked (and never will), and I can tell you that going into smoker's house alone is enough to want me to leave. The smoke odor is the horrendous -- and then I smell like a smoker too because it has absorbed into my clothing! Of course, sending it through the laundry is enough to get rid of it.

 

It might depend on how much an individual smokes in their car. If a person smokes regularly in their car, then vacuuming may or may not fully remove the odor. And because that person is used to the smoke and its odor, they would have no idea if the odor continues to remain in their car after vacuuming it. How is it then a person on the outside who never has smoked (for instance) might tell?

 

I have asked my mom about this (I would consider her a pretty normal person, but I would need to go and ask more people for this to truly have any meaning), and upon bringing up the point or question of how a smoker would affect the resale value of their vehicle, she didn't even hesitate to say that it would drop (compared to one of the same scenario who was not a smoker). In a research of this particularly point, I would need to ask both smoker and non-smoker (as my demographics) and see what both sides say. Hunch tells me smokers might (depending on the honesty of the person) be biased that it does not drop the resale price of their vehicle, whereas non-smokers may be more reluctant to quickly claim that it does; this is a hypothesis.

 

PS. Please do not misunderstand me -- I am not trying to "argue" but rather am in approach of critical thinking than anything else. Can you challenge me with you point of view with the same attitude? :? Not trying to create enemies or foes.

Edited November 24, 2009 by L.C.

[Samapico]

And because that person is used to the smoke and its odor, they would have no idea if the odor continues to remain in their car after vacuuming it.

Also because smoking screws up your smell and taste senses badly.

 

Whal, it sounds as if you smoke yourself and don't realize the extents of that shit, or that you never witnessed the crap it does.

 

 

Smoker's computer:

http://geelongcomputerhelp.com.au/images/smokecpu.jpg

Another one:

http://www.derekscomputer.com/images/tar_dust.jpg

 

 

Kind of related:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Ma7T_8XniKM/RtBW_Rd0WjI/AAAAAAAAAi0/tLOLTpzrQ_0/s1600-h/computer_smoke.jpg

 

 

Unrelated, notice the mouse in the guy's computer lol:

 

 

http://geelongcomputerhelp.com.au/images/mousepc.jpg

 

 

[LiDDiS]

Damn, a mouse was living in his computer huh? That could cause some problems :[

[Samapico]

Apparently that's what happens if you're missing some panels on the backside.

 

But I assume you also have to live in a shithole.

[»Xog]

Xog, there is a difference between the buildup of sticky grime and tar in heatsinks, fan blades, etc. Yeah, dust does this too, but dust doesn't go as far as pathogenic tar and grime that coats every millimeter inside the computer.

 

Also, if you are a smoker (hypothetically), you drive your car every day. Then there comes a day when you want to sell your car. Now tell me, what is the resale value of your car compared to the same car without it being used by a smoker?

 

Last night I decided to disassemble my laptop for the sake of arguing. I've never done this before, but I followed the guide specifically for my model, on a webpage using my iPhone. This computer is from 2005-6, and I use it just about every day. I smoke probably 10 cigarettes a day in front of it, while it's on my lap. When I looked inside, the only thing that had the TINIEST bit of a problem was the fan. It had a LITTLE dust on it, and i've NEVER had this thing serviced or cleaned out before. I was actually quite surprised. But I decided to clean the little bit of dust out with my can of air (such silly things we produce) and expected dust to blow out from underneath the fan.. nope! it was just on the fan blades.

 

Needless to say, I've easily smoked over 1,000 cigarettes directly in front of my laptop, and it had no effect from the smoke on it. Just normal dust.

 

Also note that this laptop has a Geforce Go 7300, Pentium dual-core T2080(1MB Cache/1.73GHz/533MHz FSB)

 

Re assembling my laptop was a challenge in itself though, I literally had to take everything apart in order to get to the fan.

 

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins6400/en/sm/fans.htm#wp1000550

Edited November 24, 2009 by Xog

[L.C.]

Xog, there is a difference between the buildup of sticky grime and tar in heatsinks, fan blades, etc. Yeah, dust does this too, but dust doesn't go as far as pathogenic tar and grime that coats every millimeter inside the computer.

 

Also, if you are a smoker (hypothetically), you drive your car every day. Then there comes a day when you want to sell your car. Now tell me, what is the resale value of your car compared to the same car without it being used by a smoker?

 

Last night I decided to disassemble my laptop for the sake of arguing. I've never done this before, but I followed the guide specifically for my model, on a webpage using my iPhone. This computer is from 2005, and I use it just about every day. I smoke probably 10 cigarettes a day in front of it, while it's on my lap. When I looked inside, the only thing that had the TINIEST bit of a problem was the fan. It had a LITTLE dust on it, and i've NEVER had this thing serviced or cleaned out before. I was actually quite surprised. But I decided to clean the little bit of dust out with my can of air (such silly things we produce) and expected dust to blow out from underneath the fan.. nope! it was just on the fan blades.

 

Needless to say, I've easily smoked over 1,000 cigarettes directly in front of my laptop, and it had no effect from the smoke on it. Just normal dust.

 

Also note that this laptop has a Geforce Go 7300, Pentium dual-core T2080(1MB Cache/1.73GHz/533MHz FSB)

 

Re assembling my laptop was a challenge in itself though, I literally had to take everything apart in order to get to the fan.

 

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins6400/en/sm/fans.htm#wp1000550

Well I do not know what to say -- other than that others, from their own testimony, have reported grime and tar forming layers on their hardware. Perhaps for some people, depending on certain environmental conditions and factors, have more dust and air problems than others.

 

I do know that in my room my machine gets filled with dust within like 4 to 6 months of time where I have to take it out to the air compressor and blow it all out. With the my air purifier running 24/7 in the same room, my computer is barely getting any dust. My mom's computer, a low-end Dell with 2 fans (one in the PSU and one in the upper back sucking air through the CPU heatsink and pushing it out), within less than a month of time gets loaded with an unbelievable amount of dust (and there isn't really anything sucking air in and through).

 

Unlike my computer, my computer has more air holes and fans (8 to be exact) than my mom's Dell, but takes much longer for it to get dusted enough to where I need to clean it. I am thinking it has something to do with the shape and size of the room, the floor material used (hardwood/laminate vs carpet), and air flow through the room.

 

For laptops, I think it is less likely to get problems than desktops or other, unless room conditions and factors are just extremely that bad. Reason being is because laptops generally suck air in from the bottom and push it out through the sides. Smoke is usually lighter than air (or perhaps is light enough to be pushed upward by the slightest movement of air), so if you have your laptop on a desk all day or down below, probably not as open to potential.

 

Also, I ask myself, what is smoke? What is in it? Where does it settle? It certainly has to settle somewhere in someway. If you smoke outside, it goes out into the atmosphere (which doesn't really affect anything).

 

EDIT: http://images.topix.com/gallery/up-VHKI3QS6FFI3LKNC.jpg

Edited November 24, 2009 by L.C.

[NBVegita]

Your whole argument on a smoker's car is irrelevant.

 

First who's to say that a smoker isn't buying the car?

Second, they thoroughly clean the car, including the systems like heat and air conditioning.

Third, my parents have always smoked and never gotten less than the blue book for their car when sold.

Fourth, if you've ever bought a used car you most likely have no idea, unless you know the previous owner, if it actually was a smokers or not.

 

I agree that if you start voiding warranties on smokers then you have to take other situations into consideration.

 

Sama, as for your pics,

 

In order for something like that to build up that means you're not cleaning your computer and using it for a LONG time. If you had electric heat (which produces more dust) you'd see something similar if not cleaned.

 

Like most things if you don't take care of your equipment it will have problems.

[MillenniumMan]

Xog, there is a difference between the buildup of sticky grime and tar in heatsinks, fan blades, etc. Yeah, dust does this too, but dust doesn't go as far as pathogenic tar and grime that coats every millimeter inside the computer.

 

Also, if you are a smoker (hypothetically), you drive your car every day. Then there comes a day when you want to sell your car. Now tell me, what is the resale value of your car compared to the same car without it being used by a smoker?

 

Last night I decided to disassemble my laptop for the sake of arguing. I've never done this before, but I followed the guide specifically for my model, on a webpage using my iPhone. This computer is from 2005, and I use it just about every day. I smoke probably 10 cigarettes a day in front of it, while it's on my lap. When I looked inside, the only thing that had the TINIEST bit of a problem was the fan. It had a LITTLE dust on it, and i've NEVER had this thing serviced or cleaned out before. I was actually quite surprised. But I decided to clean the little bit of dust out with my can of air (such silly things we produce) and expected dust to blow out from underneath the fan.. nope! it was just on the fan blades.

 

Needless to say, I've easily smoked over 1,000 cigarettes directly in front of my laptop, and it had no effect from the smoke on it. Just normal dust.

 

Also note that this laptop has a Geforce Go 7300, Pentium dual-core T2080(1MB Cache/1.73GHz/533MHz FSB)

 

Re assembling my laptop was a challenge in itself though, I literally had to take everything apart in order to get to the fan.

 

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins6400/en/sm/fans.htm#wp1000550

Well I do not know what to say -- other than that others, from their own testimony, have reported grime and tar forming layers on their hardware. Perhaps for some people, depending on certain environmental conditions and factors, have more dust and air problems than others.

 

I do know that in my room my machine gets filled with dust within like 4 to 6 months of time where I have to take it out to the air compressor and blow it all out. With the my air purifier running 24/7 in the same room, my computer is barely getting any dust. My mom's computer, a low-end Dell with 2 fans (one in the PSU and one in the upper back sucking air through the CPU heatsink and pushing it out), within less than a month of time gets loaded with an unbelievable amount of dust (and there isn't really anything sucking air in and through).

 

Unlike my computer, my computer has more air holes and fans (8 to be exact) than my mom's Dell, but takes much longer for it to get dusted enough to where I need to clean it. I am thinking it has something to do with the shape and size of the room, the floor material used (hardwood/laminate vs carpet), and air flow through the room.

 

For laptops, I think it is less likely to get problems than desktops or other, unless room conditions and factors are just extremely that bad. Reason being is because laptops generally suck air in from the bottom and push it out through the sides. Smoke is usually lighter than air (or perhaps is light enough to be pushed upward by the slightest movement of air), so if you have your laptop on a desk all day or down below, probably not as open to potential.

 

Also, I ask myself, what is smoke? What is in it? Where does it settle? It certainly has to settle somewhere in someway. If you smoke outside, it goes out into the atmosphere (which doesn't really affect anything).

 

EDIT: http://images.topix.com/gallery/up-VHKI3QS6FFI3LKNC.jpg

 

 

*COUCH CHOKE GAG HUFF WHEEZEEE.....*

 

WTF? That's the equivelant of 400 years worth of regular crap settling in a computer running non-stop.

 

How the f*** do you smokers breathe?

[Samapico]

Last night I decided to disassemble my laptop for the sake of arguing. I've never done this before, but I followed the guide specifically for my model, on a webpage using my iPhone. This computer is from 2005-6, and I use it just about every day. I smoke probably 10 cigarettes a day in front of it, while it's on my lap. When I looked inside, the only thing that had the TINIEST bit of a problem was the fan. It had a LITTLE dust on it, and i've NEVER had this thing serviced or cleaned out before. I was actually quite surprised. But I decided to clean the little bit of dust out with my can of air (such silly things we produce) and expected dust to blow out from underneath the fan.. nope! it was just on the fan blades.

 

Needless to say, I've easily smoked over 1,000 cigarettes directly in front of my laptop, and it had no effect from the smoke on it. Just normal dust.

 

Also note that this laptop has a Geforce Go 7300, Pentium dual-core T2080(1MB Cache/1.73GHz/533MHz FSB)

 

Re assembling my laptop was a challenge in itself though, I literally had to take everything apart in order to get to the fan.

 

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins6400/en/sm/fans.htm#wp1000550

I'd say laptops are less prone to buildups than desktops, especially more recent models. Old desktops have no filter whatsoever, they just gargle in all the air they can. Also, each environment is unique... these people probably lived in a dusty place to begin with.

[whalz]

whatever, i smoke, but recently i lost my ID so all i can smoke is rolled butt smokes and cigs people offer me. So this being a touchy subject, Apple really has no right to void warrenties for smokers other than to prove that warrenties are just monney grabs. And also steeve jobs must be trying to do his steeve jobs shit and ban smoking for anyone who buys an apple product

[L.C.]

First who's to say that a smoker isn't buying the car?

True point. If another smoker buys a smokers car, I do not see any problem (as they are used to odors and so forth).

 

Second, they thoroughly clean the car, including the systems like heat and air conditioning.

But how would the smoker or you know if even the most subtle smells still exist despite cleaning?

 

Though extreme, Mythbusters did an experiment where they put a dead pig or cow or skunk in a perfectly good classic car for a couple days, and then attempts to clean the car to get rid of the odor. They never could. Point being is that some odors may still stick no matter how strong of chemicals a person might use in the cleaning process. (EDIT: Some sensitive non-smokers may or may not detect? I guess it just depends on the ventilation inside your car and how often a person smokes in their car.)

 

I might understand though that if a smoker rarely smoked in their car and cleaned their vehicle really well that it would be possible that there would not be any odors. I don't know, I would really have to experiment and look into this more. (In other words, in all honesty, I do not have a reply to your point because I have no experience in this business of cleaning and reselling cars.)

 

EDIT: Perhaps if a smoker lives in just the right conditions, they would not have any of these "buildup of grime and tar" in their computers and such.

Edited November 24, 2009 by L.C.

[whalz]

WEll, passtime I hang out at a junkyard striping cars.. The guy who owns it has said many times, Non smoker cars can resale at a greater value.

 

that being said. you can still clean it. And just hang a car freshoner up in that shit. Guy who buys it will just get used to it. Unless he's super sensitive to smoke. Then he can suck a dick and buy a different car

[»Xog]

EDIT: http://images.topix.com/gallery/up-VHKI3QS6FFI3LKNC.jpg

 

I see your picture of a neglected computer, possibly by someone that had no idea that it could get buildup inside of the computer case, and possibly barely had any idea of how to use a computer.. and raise you

 

a painful reminder of how ignorant, irresponsible, and unclean some people can REALLY be. Please keep in mind this picture is completely real, this is somebody's keyboard, and they let it get like this.

 

http://widescreenwallpapers.org/klodian/Viral-Emails/Desktop-Computer-Viral-Email-Campaign-1.jpg

Edited November 24, 2009 by Xog

[Samapico]

That's a pic I tried to post , but it showed up as a broken link, bleh.

[»Xog]

Oh Karma, how I loathe thee.

 

This Koala sure is Karmic! *nudge nudge*

 

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3622/screenshotqt.png

 

 

AFK digging grave for my hard drive.

Edited November 30, 2009 by Xog

[»Lynx]

I've not really read this article at all, but I'm going to just throw this in for arguments sake; Apple must first prove that you've been smoking infront of your computer. As Apple does not ask any lifestyle questions when you book any hardware in for repair - I can only assume that it will void your warranty if there is clear evidence that you've been smoking enough around your computer to cause a buildup of tar and other toxic chemicals. Clearly, in order for that to happen you need to literally be pumping smoke into the machine for a hell of a long time, and in all fairness - if I was working on repairing a machine I don't see why I should put my health at risk for the sake of my employer keeping some idiot who can't keep his room ventilated happy.