BDE

[Gravitron]

We've had contacts with BDE in the past.

Bottom line is, they have some unofficial oral arrangement with us/Priit that we can do what we want so long the game stays free (IE none is making money for something they own).

They won't do jack for the game unless it can bring them profit in doing so.

 

Last time the ©s were mentioned they demanded a six figure.

 

There's nothing for us to look with them.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein

[TurboSlug22]

We've had contacts with BDE in the past.

Bottom line is, they have some unofficial oral arrangement with us/Priit that we can do what we want so long the game stays free (IE none is making money for something they own).

They won't do jack for the game unless it can bring them profit in doing so.

 

Last time the ©s were mentioned they demanded a six figure.

 

There's nothing for us to look with them.

 

Man, its you again, just speaking words...

 

Look, Ive already posted that BDE has already said they are interested in taking a cut of the revenue brought in by gamersgate's offer to post the client for sale on their servers.

 

So... no need to say BDE wont do it, theyve already said theyre interested.

 

The real issue here is if we even need to talk to BDE about this - I believe the continuum client is a totally separate entity, the rights for which are held by Priitk i THINK

 

But anyway, PoLiX is going to talk to ghost ship about that... i hope

Edited November 13, 2009 by TurboSlug22

[L.C.]

Man, its you again, just speaking words...

Not a good way to earn a good reputation in this community.

 

What Grav is saying is that...

Look, Ive already posted that BDE has already said they are interested in taking a cut of the revenue brought in by gamersgate's offer to post the client for sale on their servers.

 

So... no need to say BDE wont do it, theyve already said theyre interested.

...does not matter if BDE is interested or not. They are interested because of the money. Who doesn't want free money?

 

Grav is also saying that selling the game is unethical and simply wrong.

 

Furthermore, he is also saying that if BDE were to sell the rights to the game, it would be for $100,000+. It's all about the money. BDE doesn't care about you or me.

 

The real issue here is if we even need to talk to BDE about this - I believe the continuum client is a totally separate entity, the rights for which are held by Priitk i THINK

And it doesn't matter if you believe if Continuum is a separate entity or not. In the legal world, there is no "I believe." It either is or isn't. Edited November 13, 2009 by L.C.

[Gravitron]

The more you speak, the more stupid you appear to be.

 

ook, Ive already posted that BDE has already said they are interestedin taking a cut of the revenue brought in by gamersgate's offer to postthe client for sale on their servers. So... no need to say BDE wont do it, theyve already said theyre interested.

 

Yes, they are interested in getting money over the client being SOLD by someone else while they can just sit back and collect checks.

Which is exactly what I've said.

(Not to mention, AGAIN, how immoral of US to allow it would be and howHARMFULLY DAMAGING to our community, this game, and the collectivereputation thereof it will be.

They won't do jack for the game unless it can bring them profit in doing so.

 

It still does not mean they're willing to provide any sort of support for the game.

So, how is my argument wrong at any level?

I never said they won't do it, of COURSE they'll do it. It brings them money for doing practically jack shit nothing at all. What sane commercial "for-profit" company would refuse such an opportunity to exploit their IP?

 

 

And I believe that the continuum license falls under the aforementioned unofficial agreement.

 

 

I'm done handling kids.

 

Summon forth Hoch (is he even still around?), let the (official Subspace) professional lawyer explain it to the herd.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein

[TurboSlug22]

Man, its you again, just speaking words...

Not a good way to earn a good reputation in this community.

 

What Grav is saying is that...

Look, Ive already posted that BDE has already said they are interested in taking a cut of the revenue brought in by gamersgate's offer to post the client for sale on their servers.

 

So... no need to say BDE wont do it, theyve already said theyre interested.

...does not matter if BDE is interested or not. They are interested because of the money. Who doesn't want free money?

 

Grav is also saying that selling the game is unethical and simply wrong.

 

Furthermore, he is also saying that if BDE were to sell the rights to the game, it would be for $100,000+. It's all about the money. BDE doesn't care about you or me.

 

The real issue here is if we even need to talk to BDE about this - I believe the continuum client is a totally separate entity, the rights for which are held by Priitk i THINK

And it doesn't matter if you believe if Continuum is a separate entity or not. In the legal world, there is no "I believe." It either is or isn't.

 

Uh he started off by calling ME a juvinile hypocritical twit and I'm the one that needs to be concerned about making a good impression?

 

Yes ofcourse BDE is interested in $ - what else is a rights holder going to be interested in? So we give them what they want and we get what we want; more players in our zones. its win/win

 

As well, I'm not suggesting that BDE sells the rights to this game. We're talking about getting permission to funnel money their way in exchange for our client getting exposure by being made available at cost on various websites.

 

And regarding who the rights holders are... well thats why we're all here discussing this isnt it?

Edited November 13, 2009 by TurboSlug22

[TurboSlug22]

The more you speak, the more stupid you appear to be.

 

ook, Ive already posted that BDE has already said they are interestedin taking a cut of the revenue brought in by gamersgate's offer to postthe client for sale on their servers. So... no need to say BDE wont do it, theyve already said theyre interested.

 

Yes, they are interested in getting money over the client being SOLD by someone else while they can just sit back and collect checks.

Which is exactly what I've said.

(Not to mention, AGAIN, how immoral of US to allow it would be and howHARMFULLY DAMAGING to our community, this game, and the collectivereputation thereof it will be.

They won't do jack for the game unless it can bring them profit in doing so.

 

It still does not mean they're willing to provide any sort of support for the game.

So, how is my argument wrong at any level?

I never said they won't do it, of COURSE they'll do it. It brings them money for doing practically jack shit nothing at all. What sane commercial "for-profit" company would refuse such an opportunity to exploit their IP?

 

 

And I believe that the continuum license falls under the aforementioned unofficial agreement.

 

 

I'm done handling kids.

 

Summon forth Hoch (is he even still around?), let the (official Subspace) professional lawyer explain it to the herd.

 

Yes call me a child. Please, go ahead and insult me more. I'll just continue to donate money to this community and continue to offer to design banner ads and pay to have them posted so we can all enjoy new population in our zones. Why dont you hack me while youre at it... I'll just go right ahead and continue to offer to pay for the cost of having the client hosted for free all over the net.

 

The whole point of this arrangement would be to make the client available at cost SO we can get the exposure.

 

From what I can see here, the ONLY issue is a bunch people who insist on having this game be free for everyone but look where thats brought us over the years, free client, dwindling population.

 

Well, this is a great opportunity where we can tap a HUGE population resource at NO cost to ourselves and repopulate our zones. So what if the game is available for free elsewhere. I think you people are dilusional if you think people are going to be pissed off over paying $5 for an exceptional game. Software is free if you know where to look on the internet. Thats not going to change here. People arnt going to get up in arms becuse they suddenly realized the game is available for free elsewhere (just like everything eles) Its up to the consumer to decide if they want to get it for free or if they want to pay for it.

 

You dont need to make that decision for these people.

Edited November 13, 2009 by TurboSlug22

[»Lynx]

Now it's apparent that nobody has come forth and said who actually owns to rights to what, and the E-Mail which BDE has sent is nothing in business terms, not a thing. On the whole though, it seems that people are forgetting what Subspace, or Continuum is. It's a player-run game, with player-run servers and is slowly becoming more and more open source and less reliant on software which has commercial copyrights. If BDE once had said they would like $100,000 for IP to Subspace, it doesn't mean that they'll still want $100,000 - they *could be interested in making small profits from advertising or increased exposure via the increased player base that a digital distribution service could offer... and what we're forgetting is that this could still all easily happening without them losing any of their IP.

 

Of course, BDE could refuse and this can be something that we've tried, and can truly tick off our list of things that could possible increase the player-base of the game - and what do we lose? Nothing. Even if BDE suddenly got an overwhelming interest in Subspace again all that would ultimately happen is the original version of Subspace would be changed, and it'd basically be Infantry again. Continuum and it's servers are player run, not ran by BDE. We lose literally nothing, the worst possible scenario would be some cease and desist orders could be flown around due to game graphics/sounds, but even that is very, very unlikely to happen.

 

Ultimately, I don't see anything coming of this. The E-Mail sent could easily be miscomprehended as 'Hey, you made this game ages ago and there's a chance it could make some money... Would you like to hear how' and was most probably replied by somebody who doesn't have much idea of what Subspace is, or even acknowledges that Continuum exists. Even if it was okayed that Subspace be put onto any digital distribution services the backend of the game would have to be altered, which would ultimately require the source code of the game be altered which we already know is a problem. As I've said, keep pushing on - there's nothing to lose and I really doubt you could do any damage, but like I said take things slowly and perhaps work in more privacy with people who actually have an idea of the Subspace demographics, how the game works and have seen how things may not have worked in the past - I'm all up for open conversation but I find that too much of it distracts you from your main aims, and unless you spend a lot of time thinking about your replies you could end up doing yourself more damage than good. Just my two cents.

 

EDIT: Games on distribution services don't have to be pay-per-play or even require any kind of subscription business model. Even if you can get it free for the first few months to get a few players hooked when money is involved you can easily just revert back to what we currently have. Again, no loss. Let me remind you that nobody has sovereignty over our little game, and even if this game does appear on any kind of digital distribution service, Continuum will still be available, as will the servers we currently play on.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Lynx

[Gravitron]

Uh he started off by calling ME a juvinile hypocritical twit and I'm the one that needs to be concerned about making a good impression?

If it quaks like a duck...

 

Yes ofcourse BDE is interested in $ - what else is a rights holder going to be interested in? So we give them what they want and we get what we want; more players in our zones. its win/win

BDE are NOT giving us more players. This scam-portal is NOT giving us more players. There is no guarantee to that.

It IS guaranteed that anyone coming through there, paying $5 for the client download, then finding out it's FREE, is going to bust nuts and slander this game and its community to kingdom come giving us far more harm than any good this could ever do.

 

As well, I'm not suggesting that BDE sells the rights to this game. We're talking about getting permission to funnel money their way in exchange for our client getting exposure by being made available at cost on various websites.

Being made available at cost?

You mean MADE AVAILABLE FOR A FEE TO THE DOWNLOADER/POTENTIAL FUTURE PLAYER, not to YOU, not to US, not to BDE. TO THE PLAYER. Who wants to play a game that is available FOR FREE.

 

And regarding who the rights holders are... well thats why we're all here discussing this isnt it?

No. This is not. But for you, mr. "business man", mr. "I'm looking to make a quick profit on back of poor suckers I can easily scam and then send crying home", it sure seems to be the case.

 

The only discussion here is why a scumbag like you is even permitted to speak such vile filth and attain some sort of sponsorship/support from rest of the community.

The only discussion here is how Subspace can be pushed forward, in a POSITIVE manner. Not by SCAMMING THE PLAYERS FOR YOUR POCKET"S PROFIT.

[»Lynx]

Uh he started off by calling ME a juvinile hypocritical twit and I'm the one that needs to be concerned about making a good impression?

If it quaks like a duck...

 

Yes ofcourse BDE is interested in $ - what else is a rights holder going to be interested in? So we give them what they want and we get what we want; more players in our zones. its win/win

BDE are NOT giving us more players. This scam-portal is NOT giving us more players. There is no guarantee to that.

It IS guaranteed that anyone coming through there, paying $5 for the client download, then finding out it's FREE, is going to bust nuts and slander this game and its community to kingdom come giving us far more harm than any good this could ever do.

 

As well, I'm not suggesting that BDE sells the rights to this game. We're talking about getting permission to funnel money their way in exchange for our client getting exposure by being made available at cost on various websites.

Being made available at cost?

You mean MADE AVAILABLE FOR A FEE TO THE DOWNLOADER/POTENTIAL FUTURE PLAYER, not to YOU, not to US, not to BDE. TO THE PLAYER. Who wants to play a game that is available FOR FREE.

 

And regarding who the rights holders are... well thats why we're all here discussing this isnt it?

No. This is not. But for you, mr. "business man", mr. "I'm looking to make a quick profit on back of poor suckers I can easily scam and then send crying home", it sure seems to be the case.

 

The only discussion here is why a scumbag like you is even permitted to speak such vile filth and attain some sort of sponsorship/support from rest of the community.

The only discussion here is how Subspace can be pushed forward, in a POSITIVE manner. Not by SCAMMING THE PLAYERS FOR YOUR POCKET"S PROFIT.

 

Your entire reply is made completely from assumptions, and your abrasiveness and in-comprehensiveness shows that perhaps you need to step back from your computer for a moment to calm down. You seem like a level-headed enough guy, but trying to paint a bad picture of somebody who is doing nothing more that putting posts on a discussion board that is hardly read just seems completely nonsensical.

[»LtNirvana]

Priitk will never agree to commercializing the client so give up now. It's not the right direction to be going in. Change your direction.

 

Find places that will host continuum for free and state as part of your negotiations some arguement that it will bring revenue to them through ads or downloads to similar games etc etc etc.

[rootbear75]

As far as speaking to BDE in person, I'm no judge on this matter but I don't think you are the qualified person for that based on information somebody would give you over the internet. It needs to be somebody with in-depth knowledge of the situation (including SubSpace terms and license down to the T), be able to answer any question at the drop of a dime, and full knowledge of all possibilities the outcome may be whether it be good or bad. This seems like a vulnerable subject, and must be taken care of meticulously and with precautions.

In nowhere did i even say i was the qualified person to do that.

I just said that IF someone needs to meet with them in person, I can do that since i will only be 20 minutes away.

In NO post did I say i was actually going to do this. I said I COULD do it if it was needed.

 

Youre right though, we ought to have only 1 or 2 reps. Since ive already talked to them, i vote that to maintain our professionalism, I can relay anything you guys decide over to them, I'm more than happy to have PoLiX also get in touch with them if we cant get Ghost Ship or Priitk to wake up. Or whatever you guys think is best.

 

Sorry :\

I have to oppose your self-vote. I don;t think that you are the person that we should trust on this.

As far as I know, you just joined SSForum and within a week, you are asking us to back you on something that has been discussed for the better part of 2 years.

While i do think something needs to be done, I'd rather have polix or some other community leader take care of the emails.

 

 

No offense to you, but i like what you are doing, but i think you are doing it prematurely. You are contacting these companies wayyyy too prematurely to be of any good.

 

 

Also: Turbo... like i said... you have not been here long enough to understand the mannerisms of all of the regular posters here.

Grav usually is extremely abrasive to everyone who posts something with any part of the post being wrong. That's just his style. You have to read between the lines to get at what point he's trying to make.

Edited November 13, 2009 by rootbear75

[Gravitron]

Your entire reply is made completely from assumptions

Facts:

He has repeatedly and strongly pushed for this one deal with this one specific portal.

He has made it known that for him it is all business and that is what's important, to him.

His plan offers high probability to bite SubSpace in the ass than do any good.

He uses words such as volunteer and rip-off, not knowing seemingly their meaning.

He cites illegal activity to provide support for his perspective and in general display a behaviour/attitude akin to that of a scam-handling scheming snake.

 

 

How much is it assumption of me to deduce this individual is up to no good?

 

 

Post Scriptum

For future reference, kindly avoid quoting entire walls of text merely to utter a couple of sentences as reply. You may do so with a summary of relevant bits as well, taking up much less obsolete space on the screen/forum.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein

[TurboSlug22]

Uh he started off by calling ME a juvinile hypocritical twit and I'm the one that needs to be concerned about making a good impression?

If it quaks like a duck...

 

Right, and if you want to go and listen to the duck quack again, you can go and re-read your own post where you called me juvinile hypocritical twit. Are you just trying to get this thread locked? Youre trolling sir.

 

Yes ofcourse BDE is interested in $ - what else is a rights holder going to be interested in? So we give them what they want and we get what we want; more players in our zones. its win/win

BDE are NOT giving us more players. This scam-portal is NOT giving us more players. There is no guarantee to that.

It IS guaranteed that anyone coming through there, paying $5 for the client download, then finding out it's FREE, is going to bust nuts and slander this game and its community to kingdom come giving us far more harm than any good this could ever do.

 

Im very interested in how youve arrived at this conclusion which you present as "guaranteed" to use your words. People on those pay sites are used to paying for games, they wont complain about paying $5 (not $59.99, the retail cost of new games, but FIVE dollars) for an excellent game.

 

I am also interested in how youve concluded that this wont generate any traffic for us.

 

As well, I'm not suggesting that BDE sells the rights to this game. We're talking about getting permission to funnel money their way in exchange for our client getting exposure by being made available at cost on various websites.

Being made available at cost?

You mean MADE AVAILABLE FOR A FEE TO THE DOWNLOADER/POTENTIAL FUTURE PLAYER, not to YOU, not to US, not to BDE. TO THE PLAYER. Who wants to play a game that is available FOR FREE.

The distributer would charge a distribution fee, yes. If the player wants to get the client from a distributer that makes it available for free, so be it.

And regarding who the rights holders are... well thats why we're all here discussing this isnt it?

No. This is not. But for you, mr. "business man", mr. "I'm looking to make a quick profit on back of poor suckers I can easily scam and then send crying home", it sure seems to be the case.

 

The only discussion here is why a scumbag like you is even permitted to speak such vile filth and attain some sort of sponsorship/support from rest of the community.

The only discussion here is how Subspace can be pushed forward, in a POSITIVE manner. Not by SCAMMING THE PLAYERS FOR YOUR POCKET"S PROFIT.

I dont really think youre reading what I've been posting...

 

Im not looking to make a profit here - how can i? Im just looking to revitialize our zones. It just so happens that in order to make that happen, the rights holders need to be compensated because the distributer wants to get paid. Ive offered to pay the distributer myself.. but this distributer wants to post the client for a cost.

 

Again, with the name calling... I'm a scumbag for wanting to revitalize the community? By wanting the software to be available to swaths of users of other online communities... Sorry if they want to charge for it, but i think we stand to gain a lot.

 

You obviously arnt interested in this idea, thats fair - ive noted your input, Thank you. There is no need to further reiterate your point

Edited November 13, 2009 by TurboSlug22

[»Lynx]

@Ori

And ultimately, even if Subspace did appear on any kind of portal site, what damage would happen? Some people may bash the game for trying to be sold when it's free, but ultimately any publicity is good publicity, and with the current state of the game *any* new players is a good for us. If he'd demanded that we shut down our servers he'd have got laughed at but what he's asking is that we give him some information on BDE so he can try and get our dying game on a DDS that could potentially, with whatever means, gather us more players.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Lynx

[Gravitron]

ultimately any publicity is good publicity

An incorrect cliche.

In particular, for a game that is publicized and has its name spread by word of mouth and 'friend brings friend' type of, such a scheme will bring harm and very bad publicity.

And once SubSpace is tagged as "scam", then no one will touch it or go near to it. People who see it in portals will veer away. After a public opinion is formed (which happens very quickly in our current Hi-Speed Internet-Era reality) it is nigh impossible to alter it.

Suffice that SubSpace is tagged negatively once, and another learns of it, then the snowball commence rolling and that'll truly be the end.

 

and with the current state of the game *any* new players is a good for us.

This community had years to do something about it. Their ineptitude to put aside their egos and differences is what's preventing it (that, and fact we're very old tech competing in next-next-next gen releases environment).

And it is still up to the community to do something to turn the tide (if that's even possible), but it'll still require collaboration and having it 'done right'.

Bringing players who will just quit and then bad mouth us, is NOT the way.

[TurboSlug22]

Your entire reply is made completely from assumptions

Facts:

He has repeatedly and strongly pushed for this one deal with this one specific portal.

He has made it known that for him it is all business and that is what's important, to him.

His plan offers high probability to bite SubSpace in the ass than do any good.

He uses words such as volunteer and rip-off, not knowing seemingly their meaning.

He cites illegal activity to provide support for his perspective and in general display a behaviour/attitude akin to that of a scam-handling scheming snake.

 

 

How much is it assumption of me to deduce this individual is up to no good?

 

 

Post Scriptum

For future reference, kindly avoid quoting entire walls of text merely to utter a couple of sentences as reply. You may do so with a summary of relevant bits as well, taking up much less obsolete space on the screen/forum.

 

well, I can see why this idea wasnt going anywhere for 2 years...

 

How do you sleep at night?

[»Lynx]

@Ori

And as I initially said, all that you've posted are assumptions. I appreciate your opinion, but my opinion differs and my experience of online gaming, particularly with gaming portals, has shown that even games with a bad reputation can still retain their population provided that their game play is enjoyable. Even looking at this in a more micro-scale, there have been zones which have literally had completely corrupt staff teams that have prospered due to the fact that their gameplay was enjoyable, and there was a community.

[Gravitron]

Youre trolling sir.

Wiki(Shitty)pedia scare tactics don't work here, sonny boy.

Calling me a troll gains you no points and won't get my account banned.

Try again.

 

Im very interested in how youve arrived at this conclusion which you present as "guaranteed" to use your words. People on those pay sites are used to paying for games, they wont complain about paying $5 (not $59.99, the retail cost of new games, but FIVE dollars) for an excellent game.

 

I am also interested in how youve concluded that this wont generate any traffic for us.

They're used to pay money for fully developed quality games that aren't being offered for free otherwise.

How many people in this world you know don't mind being charged for something that is freely offered otherwise?

It is pretty much HUMAN NATURE (as been proven by many lawsuits, may I add) that to find out you've been ripped off will cause you to get all riled up.

 

"Excellent game" is a matter of personal perspective.

In REALITY, which you are so fond of, SubSpace is an over-ten-years OUTDATED game with POOR graphics.

It is easily, by first impression, outclassed by many games offered out there today, whether pay or free.

 

If it was that easy for SubSpace to compete, it would've had already done better.

 

Even Infantry, which may be considered as the next-generation of Subspace, which has the 'back' (if one may call it that without snorting milk out of their nose) of Sony Online Entertainment is being fondled by the GrimReaper.

 

 

The distributer would charge a distribution fee, yes. If the player wants to get the client from a distributer that makes it available for free, so be it.

Again, here's an idea: Pay them an upfront of $500 for the first 100 customers.

I'd like to see a scan of the receipt. PDF format if possible, please.

Or, a better idea: Since you keep saying how you donate and how you don't mind to support financially, and how all this seems just alright to you, how about you goto Penny Arcade and such sites and PAY them to ADVERTISE proper our game (I think this HAS been done before), or pay google to have them turn up a download link at the top of any "subspace" search terms, featuring the caption for link "Best Free Online Game".

This way, FUTURE PLAYERS aren't burnt for nothing in their pockets.

 

 

I'm a scumbag for wanting to revitalize the community?

No. You are scumbag for wanting to RIP OFF future potential users AND being OKAY with it for your own gain (be it dollars or players).

Argue it for all you wish, any Judge and any person with ethics and morals as their wayward will rule you guilty outright.

 

 

 

 

there have been zones which have literally had completelycorrupt staff teams that have prospered due to the fact that theirgameplay was enjoyable, and there was a community.

They prospered because they had ENOUGH (hundreds) players to 'tolerate' the BANNINGS of some by abusive staff.

There were enough people, with enough friends, who kept showing up to have fun with their friends.

By contrast, many other zones with SMALLER population (30-40 players) did not last due to abusive staff.

And with the continued dwindling of population, the rest will soon join shalt they continue their corrupted way.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein

[»Lynx]

there have been zones which have literally had completelycorrupt staff teams that have prospered due to the fact that their gameplay was enjoyable, and there was a community.

They prospered because they had ENOUGH (hundreds) players to 'tolerate' the BANNINGS of some by abusive staff.

There were enough people, with enough friends, who kept showing up to have fun with their friends.

By contrast, many other zones with SMALLER population (30-40 players) did not last due to abusive staff.

And with the continued dwindling of population, the rest will soon join shalt they continue their corrupted way.

 

Firstly, you're merely selectively replying to my post. Desert Storm done well with a godawful staff team for a long as they could, as did Halo, MG, RS and OF. The fact that other larger zones also have further adds weight to my argument. Secondly, banning is a minor injustice that players have to suffer from abusive staff - anybody would be able to notice that. And conversely, let's look at other zones that have extremely low population such as Devastation. Deva has an extremely, if not the most dedicated staff team that there is, and it's reputation has always been good - yet it's population dwindles in comparison to other zones I won't mention that truly have a laughable staff team. Reputation != Population

[TurboSlug22]

@ Ori

 

Continuum was reviewed by a games website - they said our game was kinda fun to shoot people with until you get banned by a moderator for some unknown reason.

 

I dont think asking for reviews, again, is going to get us anywhere

 

I think we're going to need to try new things to get revialized instead of trying the same old tricks

[Gravitron]

@ Ori

 

Continuum was reviewed by a games website - they said our game was kinda fun to shoot people with until you get banned by a moderator for some unknown reason.

 

I dont think asking for reviews, again, is going to get us anywhere

 

I think we're going to need to try new things to get revialized instead of trying the same old tricks

 

I agree wholeheartedly.

What needs to be done is to can all the dumbass sysops, take their zones over, and start organizing this community as a WHOLE instead of fragmented zone communities.

Also, arrange the dev community up and keep things evolving. Subspace is stepping in its place never going anywhere. Lack of evolution is killing this game no less than any other factor. That which does not adapt - perish.

I've posted quite a few ideas back in the day.

 

But, GS never wanted to play Dictator, which sadly we kind of need that. So, it'll never go anywhere. HAHA. Live and enjoy it while it lasts.

 

Your idea may get a small surge of players, but then it'll also just as quickly die out. Yes, I've seen it happening before, several times.

 

 

 

By the by, Lynx, I've been an unofficial staff on one of the Halo reincarnations and during my short period there - I'd like to take credit for making adjustments to the zone which doubled the population. XD

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein

[»Lynx]

Mhmm. Well, what I initially said I'll stick by, this probably won't work, but if it does work by fluke it'll be nothing but win for us - we pay nothing, but reap the benefits of new players. So as I've always said, if you can somehow get a DDS to support SubSpace then go for it. No doubt people will just find out it's a free game and try to download it anyway. It's certainly going to be more publicity than the dead banner advertisement system that Google/MySpaz/Facebook offers.

 

Until something else interesting comes up.

[TurboSlug22]

Mhmm. Well, what I initially said I'll stick by, this probably won't work, but if it does work by fluke it'll be nothing but win for us - we pay nothing, but reap the benefits of new players. So as I've always said, if you can somehow get a DDS to support SubSpace then go for it. No doubt people will just find out it's a free game and try to download it anyway. It's certainly going to be more publicity than the dead banner advertisement system that Google/MySpaz/Facebook offers.

 

Until something else interesting comes up.

 

Lynx, thank you for a refreshing voice of reason here.

 

Truly

[Gravitron]

"Lynx, thank you for a refreshing voice of reason here."

 

HAH! More like for being a like-minded scoundrel.

 

The end justifies the means, right? sigh.

::shakes head::

 

Those who abide by the letter of the law yet do not respect the spirit of the law disgrace both and fulfill none.

[»Lynx]

"Lynx, thank you for a refreshing voice of reason here."

HAH! More like for being a like-minded scoundrel.

 

Lol@That ... because I've suddenly appeared out of nowhere, contacted a bunch of DDS groups and am seeking to (somehow) make a profit out of a game that I no longer play? I guess this is just another golden Ori opinion which begs me to question whether you were thrown down a flight of stairs as a child. Your consistent fabrication of utter bullshit and illogical approach at reasoning is nothing more than moronic - along side your low-brow methods of belittling somebodies character to try win a fruitless argument. God damn, you're either completely socially inept or truly as much of a tool as I've been told you are. Throughout two entire threads instead of coming up with pragmatic reasoning as to why something is wrong or incorrect you've made clear assumptions and haven't provided anything useful to discussion. Not just that, but you've made it more than clear your level of understanding of what Turbo is trying to achieve. Instead of just thinking 'OKay, this doesn't apply to me' or even posting why it might not work you've insisted that Turbo is a con artist, and that this plan can never ever work over the procedure of 30 posts full of bad grammar, too many capital letters and unnecessary flaming. Either way it doesn't really matter on my part - this plan is not likely to work yet I hope that it does, as I've said and logically proven it can only be a win situation for our continually diminishing (not growing... at all) community as a whole anyway.