SS Rebirth

[TurboSlug22]

Wait a minute -- what if it were done in the name of nonprofit and all money went toward supporting the game?

Re-read the licence. The terms are very explict, Continuum has to be free of charge at source.

There are no get outs or loopholes

 

Right but the rights holder can change that at anytime. That is to say, whoever had the authority to write that in the first place can make it say w/e they want.

 

Im assuming thats Priitk?

[L.C.]

I just got an email back from BDE - theyre excited to take part in gamersgate's offer!!

wait... WHAT?

Would you mind posting said email?

babble booble

I think rootbear was asking for BDE's e-mail message rather than the e-mail conversation.

[Gravitron]

Bottom line: you are going to make people PAY $5 to download a game that is offered for FREE to anyone who wants to play/download it.

 

In every ethical book this is A SCAM.

 

And if for one moment you think any user who has been scammed is going to say "oh well, it was just 5 bucks, lets keep on playing the game" then you are also a FOOL.

 

You are NOT a representative of this community and this shit WON"T float.

 

Furthermore, anyone who think that it's okay should just take their $5, and give it to Polix, or whomever. Or, make a poll of all that money, and use it to buy ad space, or hire a coder, ROFL.

 

There is nothing more pissing than juvenile hypocritical twits who stand on the sideline, play for FREE, and then say "well, $5 isn't much for this game, I don't care if they charge OTHER PEOPLE".

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein

[TurboSlug22]

I just got an email back from BDE - theyre excited to take part in gamersgate's offer!!

wait... WHAT?

Would you mind posting said email?

babble booble

I think rootbear was asking for BDE's e-mail message rather than the e-mail conversation.

 

I included the entire email thread - BDE's reply was the first thing posted.

[»doc flabby]

Incidentally I don't think BDE even owns the Continuum Client, PriitK and Mr. Ekted are the copyright holders of the client according to Help..About. Any changes to the licence would have to approved by both of them.

 

I think BDE only own the SubSpace "content" of which very little of it is still left in most zones. Continuum is designed so that ALL content can be replaced.

Edited November 13, 2009 by doc flabby

[TurboSlug22]

Incidentally I don't think BDE even owns the Continuum Client, PriitK and Mr. Ekted are the copyright holders of the client according to Help..About. Any changes to the licence would have to approved by both of them.

 

I think BDE only own the SubSpace "content" of which very little of it is still left in most zones. Continuum is designed so that ALL content can be replaced.

 

Yes, I believe you are correct - however I made this assertion earlier and also asked who are the actual rights holders to continuum. If thats Priitk - then I just need to wait for PoLiX to do his thing and get in touch with them.

 

Anyway ya, we might not even need to talk with BDE

[L.C.]

I just got an email back from BDE - theyre excited to take part in gamersgate's offer!!

wait... WHAT?

Would you mind posting said email?

babble booble

I think rootbear was asking for BDE's e-mail message rather than the e-mail conversation.

 

I included the entire email thread - BDE's reply was the first thing posted.

Er whoops. I meant to say "e-mail address".

[TurboSlug22]

Bottom line: you are going to make people PAY $5 to download a game that is offered for FREE to anyone who wants to play/download it.

 

In every ethical book this is A SCAM.

 

And if for one moment you think any user who has been scammed is going to say "oh well, it was just 5 bucks, lets keep on playing the game" then you are also a FOOL.

 

You are NOT a representative of this community and this shit WON"T float.

 

Furthermore, anyone who think that it's okay should just take their $5, and give it to Polix, or whomever. Or, make a poll of all that money, and use it to buy ad space, or hire a coder, ROFL.

 

There is nothing more pissing than juvenile hypocritical twits who stand on the sideline, play for FREE, and then say "well, $5 isn't much for this game, I don't care if they charge OTHER PEOPLE".

 

You're not really looking at this from a realistic framework. The reality is - bottled water is a scam but to the people who buy it, it isnt. Theyre happy to pay for it. I pay for bottled water.

 

This is the same idea, we're making the client available, and in order to do so, its at a cost. How else can you expect a 3rd party company to volunteer their bandwidth? Of course theyre gonna want a cut. Our client is worth $5 why not let people pay for it? And ya, if its available for free elsewhere then fine, the consumer can do his homework and decide where to get the client from.

 

Consider the game Abuse - you can get it for free on abandonware websites. You can also get it for a cost from games websites. I dont consider it a scam at all that retailer chooses to make the client available for a price. Its a ripoff sure, but its not a scam. Even calling it a ripoff is a stretch because the client is definitely worth $5.

 

If polix needs money, im happy to donate, this issue isnt over money though, its over population to our zones and if you think we should divert resources for ad space, well, I'm doing that also.

 

Thanks for calling me a juvenile hypocritical twit. As a matter of fact, I'm nearly 30, I purchase all the games I believe are worth the price, ive held multiple subscriptions to the same MMO and I certainly have no problem paying for good quality software. Furthermore, while SS is free for the rest of you, I've donated to server funds, as well, did you not even read where i said I would personally front the cost associated with having steam make available the content for everyone for free? Do i get to call you a bunch of names now too?

 

look, the bottom line here is business is business and we stand to gain a lot if we want to do some.

 

I just got an email back from BDE - theyre excited to take part in gamersgate's offer!!

wait... WHAT?

Would you mind posting said email?

babble booble

I think rootbear was asking for BDE's e-mail message rather than the e-mail conversation.

 

I included the entire email thread - BDE's reply was the first thing posted.

Er whoops. I meant to say "e-mail address".

 

He can ask me for it then if thats what he wants, but it was my impression that he wanted to know what was said..

[L.C.]

Client is not worth $5.

This is what it is worth: priceless.

 

Second, even though you may think it is worth something, it is illegal to sell or make profit of freeware/abandonware.

 

The game is free and will always be free. If you sell me Continuum for $5, I buy it, and then later find out it was free -- then I want my money back and I will probably never play this game again.

 

PS. Not trying to discourage you from supporting the game. Just realize that selling the game is wrong, unethical, and will most likely end up hurting the game and community than helping it.

Edited November 13, 2009 by L.C.

[NBVegita]

The only way selling something that is otherwise free is illegal is if you don't have the permission of the creator/owner of the rights to the game.

 

If Priitk/BDE gave him their blessing, then there is nothing legally wrong with selling the game.

 

I don't think you understand that the only reason why SS/cont is currently free is because BDE/Priitk made it that way. If they choose to at any time allow someone to sell it for profit or otherwise, it is their prerogative.

 

In every ethical book this is A SCAM.

 

Only in ideal do law and ethics match. It may not seem ethically correct for someone to try to make profit off of a free game, but if proper consent is given (see above) then it's perfectly legal.

 

 

Not saying if it's right or wrong to do, just weighing in on some information.

 

Edit: Just for the record, I agree that I don't think selling the game will help in any way and I would not want to see anyone paying for it. The only reason why I started playing it in the late 90's was because it was the best free game you could play.

Edited November 13, 2009 by NBVegita

[TurboSlug22]

Client is not worth $5.

This is what it is worth: priceless.

 

Second, even though you may think it is worth something, it is illegal to sell or make profit of freeware/abandonware.

 

The game is free and will always be free. If you sell me Continuum for $5, I buy it, and then later find out it was free -- then I want my money back and I will probably never play this game again.

 

PS. Not trying to discourage you from supporting the game. Just realize that selling the game is wrong, unethical, and will most likely end up hurting the game and community than helping it.

 

This has already been brought up.

 

It is ILLEGAL to make money off of freeware UNLESS youre the rights holder.

 

You can consider the $5 the cost of distribution. We're just friendly enough to distribute it for free. Whereas other companies are less generous and insist on charging money for a legitimate service. If you as a consumer want to blame the GAME or the Game's community for that, well... dont let the door hit you on the way out because a reasonable thinking person would see that the real issue is with the retailer who'se decided to charge money for something thats otherwise free. It is up to the consumer to find the best deal on whatever they want to acquire. It just so happens that the best deal is getting the client for free from our servers.

 

But again... we dont care about that... we just want new players to our zone and any news is good news for us in that regard because even controvercy is advertising.

[TurboSlug22]

The only way selling something that is otherwise free is illegal is if you don't have the permission of the creator/owner of the rights to the game.

 

If Priitk/BDE gave him their blessing, then there is nothing legally wrong with selling the game.

 

I don't think you understand that the only reason why SS/cont is currently free is because BDE/Priitk made it that way. If they choose to at any time allow someone to sell it for profit or otherwise, it is their prerogative.

 

In every ethical book this is A SCAM.

 

Only in ideal do law and ethics match. It may not seem ethically correct for someone to try to make profit off of a free game, but if proper consent is given (see above) then it's perfectly legal.

 

 

Not saying if it's right or wrong to do, just weighing in on some information.

 

 

Yes this is spot on.

 

Priitk may be totally against this idea - thats fine

 

From my point of view, marketting the client in the past was a bad idea because nobody would buy it. The idea of having the client available for download from games websites is a totally new marketting strategy and i think it would work with the continuum client.

 

Ill tell you what, if it was available on steam for $5 and nobody bought it... just wait till a free weekend comes.... People love free weekends because it gives them a chance to try out new software - and thats just what we're looking for.

 

in reiteration, even if nobody buys the damn client off their servers, we still get tonnes of advertising - for free. But remember.. the people that use those services are used to dropping cash for games there.. i expect to see a lot of sales of the client if it makes its way to gamersgate or steam's servers etc..

Edited November 13, 2009 by TurboSlug22

[Gravitron]

Okay, you asked for it, son. Nit-pick time.

You're not really looking at this from a realistic framework. The reality is - bottled water is a scam but to the people who buy it, it isnt. Theyre happy to pay for it. I pay for bottled water.

Tap water aren't free, YOU (or your parents), ALSO, pay for them. The vendor on the street who sell you the water pays for these water. You CANNOT get water for FREE elsewhere (unless you steal, or purify lake water) or readily available for FREE at your leisure. You CAN get SubSpace for FREE, ANY WHERE, ANY TIME

While a Government owns your country's water reservoirs, none essentially owns water themselves. Anyone is allowed to sell them (so long they register as business and abide health inspectors guidance). SubSpace is OWNED. There is an unofficial agreement, due to some functionary factors, which allows us to operate SubSpace for FREE. None is allowed to sell SubSpace, unless permitted by owners (which wouldn't know they owned it in first place if we hadn't contacted them that first time).

 

How else can you expect a 3rd party company to volunteer their bandwidth?

Same way this community been doing it for nigh 10 years. Free Of Charge. Look up the word "volunteer".

vol⋅un⋅teer
–noun
1. a person who voluntarily offers himself or herself for a service or undertaking.
2. a person who performs a service willingly and without pay.

 

 

Of course theyre gonna want a cut.

Hosting companies, and advertising companies at that (since essentially, this is these portals' entire leverage), charge a flat fee from the CLIENT, in this case US, for their service. NOT potential CUSTOMERS of US.

This is how they fund their bandwidth.

You either rent bandwidth, or buy a server hosting from a data center, and then you put stuff up there. And YOU foot the monthly bill for it. Not the people who VIEW YOUR WEBSITE.

This isn't SomethingAweful, we don't charge (nor have the leverage to, at that, if we're going to talk marketing/business here) people to participate. SubSpace is a FREE MPOG, a subscription, or retail, of any sort, will be akin shooting ourselves in the foot, from any and all perspectives.

 

Our client is worth $5 why not let people pay for it?

How about YOU pay for it? How about you offer them a $500 advance on the first 100 people to download?

Prick.

 

And ya, if itsavailable for free elsewhere then fine, the consumer can do hishomework and decide where to get the client from.

The entire idea here is that people who have no clue about SubSpace catch wind of it.

Where do you come off with this "do his homework" bull?

People who search for SubSpace already do know of it, so why do we need a portal that charge them money for it to tell them of it?

This is bent out of mind retard'o-logic.

 

Consider the game Abuse - you can get it for free on abandonware websites. You can also get it for a cost from games websites. I dont consider it a scam at all that retailer chooses to make the client available for a price. Its a ripoff sure, but its not a scam. Even calling it a ripoff is a stretch because the client is definitely worth $5.

Consider that it is also ILLEGAL. Downright ILLEGAL. They're charging money for a piece of software, an IP, copyrighted IP, which was either designated to be exclusively distributed FREE OF CHARGE or is distributed for fee WITHOUT CONSENT OF RIGHTFUL OWNERS. THIS IS PIRACY. If crime enforcement had clear cut case of who does it and who they are, where they are, and good evidence to easily file charges and put them in jail (not to mention high fines) they WILL. IT IS ILLEGAL. I'll repeat, say again with me: AGAINST THE LAW!!!

And you may want to look this combo up, as well.

Rip-Off
–noun
Slang.
1. an act or instance of ripping off another or others; a theft, cheat, or swindle.
2. exploitation, esp. of those who cannot prevent or counter it.
3. a copy or imitation.
4. a person who rips off another or others; thief or swindler.

 

Polix, bill him for $5 for viewing this website, please.

Then tell him to go do his research and find the direct access url so he can post for FREE.

 

 

look, the bottom line here is business is business and we stand to gain a lot if we want to do some.

Yeah, I'm starting to think you have some vested interest in this.

Do YOU also get a CUT? DO YOU?

No, this isn't business. Bottom line is SubSpace, the game, the FUN. No one is here to make dollars out of this...except you, it would seem. Especially given the way you vehemently argue in favor of such a scam scheme.

 

 

I sure hope you DO go through with this, and then get SUED, somehow.

I know I'll be first in line to help anyone who'll be seeking damages against you. Scum.

 

Thanks for calling me ajuvenile hypocritical twit. As a matter of fact, I'm nearly 30

For an alleged 30 YO, you have the mentality of a 14 YO delinquent and a racketeer.

The less of your ilk to populate this Earth, the better for the entirety of humanity.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein

[rootbear75]

I just got an email back from BDE - theyre excited to take part in gamersgate's offer!!

wait... WHAT?

Would you mind posting said email?

 

Here's the email with BDE - obviously, nothing has happened yet, I'm waiting to hear back from gamersgate about the specifics of their offer and i've edited out some of the contact info:

-----------------------------

 

k, while i do like what you are trying to do, calling yourself a representative of the community is wrong. No offense, but i'd rather have someone like Polix or Ghost ship, or someone who is a zone owner or bang op taking care of this since they can easily pass around that information.

 

Don't stop what you are trying to do, but imo i don't like having you do it, since, at least to me, you are an unknown.

 

no offense or anything, this is just my view on it.

 

 

EDIT: oh and no, i didn't want the address, i wanted to know what he said, which, sadly, has not substance...

ALso: Turbo, while it might seem that the community is hating on you, dont worry. They are not hating on you, they are hating on the fact that you are pushing this stuff through without proper discussion.

Edited November 13, 2009 by rootbear75

[»LtNirvana]

Essentially what this boils down to is you will have to do some negotiating. If you can get it hosted on any of those sites free of charge by some fancy negotiating skills, I don't think you will have to get Priitk or BDE involved at all. I could be wrong but I have a feeling the only way this is going to get anywhere is if you negotiate a deal with any of these sites to make it free of charge to download. Maybe offer it free to premium members of their site, or have our community make some kind of monetary offer to them. The hardest part about negotiating something like this is we have no chips on our side of the table, you will have to convince them that they will gain something from hosting it free.

 

That will involved being very clever. If you are not clever.. just give up now.

[Gravitron]

His plans has no merits at all.

Notice, he has not even yet attempted at all to talk with other game portals, or at least bring forth any findings/conversations he had with them if he had indeed.

This is all about just this one scam portal, which is going to charge FUTURE SS PLAYERS (who'll just become hella pissed for it and make us all look really very bad), possibly giving BDE a cut, and maybe even he's standing to gain something from it (he's sure pushing hard for it, does he not? And the way he talk, makes it obvious that he has no qualms about exploiting SubSpace to make a buck and that business is all he cares for).

There is no guarantee for the sort of supposed population inflation this can bring.

There IS guarantee that this will make whoever comes from there hella pissed when they find out this game's for free and that they paid $5 for basically thin-air.

 

This is the first he's even posting or made himself known to the community et al, making some grande proclamations about who he is/was or something or another.

Can anyone vouch for him to exist prior to yesterday? I smell some slicky slippery used-car-salesperson weasel who might have been playing SS for a little while and saw opportunity for profit.

 

Polix, I implore you, remove this individual from access to this website and alert the council of him.

[L.C.]

EDIT: Where's the delete button? D:

 

EDIT2: Meh, no option to delete own post.

Edited November 13, 2009 by L.C.

[TurboSlug22]

His plans has no merits at all.

Notice, he has not even yet attempted at all to talk with other game portals, or at least bring forth any findings/conversations he had with them if he had indeed.

This is all about just this one scam portal, which is going to charge FUTURE SS PLAYERS (who'll just become hella pissed for it and make us all look really very bad), possibly giving BDE a cut, and maybe even he's standing to gain something from it (he's sure pushing hard for it, does he not? And the way he talk, makes it obvious that he has no qualms about exploiting SubSpace to make a buck and that business is all he cares for).

There is no guarantee for the sort of supposed population inflation this can bring.

There IS guarantee that this will make whoever comes from there hella pissed when they find out this game's for free and that they paid $5 for basically thin-air.

 

This is the first he's even posting or made himself known to the community et al, making some grande proclamations about who he is/was or something or another.

Can anyone vouch for him to exist prior to yesterday? I smell some slicky slippery used-car-salesperson weasel who might have been playing SS for a little while and saw opportunity for profit.

 

Polix, I implore you, remove this individual from access to this website and alert the council of him.

 

 

A) I have contacted Gamersgate, steam, impulse and direct2drive

 

B ) I have offered those companies my own personal money to have them host the continuum client for FREE - The only reply i have recieved so far is from gamersgate who've said they arnt interested in hosting free content, only content for a "very very small price" as they said. Gamers gate also said they would be willing to add the continuum client to their catalogue if they could charge for it.

 

C) Since i am not a rights holder here, i cannot make any money off of this.

 

D) Sorry for not talking to you guys before..... .... wait thats exactly what i did, i came to talk to you guys before anything happened.

 

E) I have been playing SS since `2000

 

F) Can you please stop talking? Youre saying a bunch of shit that has already been addressed and is completely fabricated. I mean, youve called me a ton of names, impiled many falsehoods about me and generally it appears to me that youre trying to sideline this idea. I get that you dont like it, there's no need for character assassination.

 

I am trying to help you, remember?

Edited November 13, 2009 by TurboSlug22

[Gravitron]

Gamers gate also said they would be willing to add the continuum client to their catalogue if they could charge for it.

IF they could charge for it? Did they not just explicitly said that they would not host non-charged-for content? Since when there is an alternative? Shouldn't being on their catalog be a default happening?

 

Since i am not a rights holder here, i cannot make any money off of this.

I wonder how ever middlemen make their brokerage/finder's fees applicable...

 

D) Sorry for not talking to you guys before..... .... wait thats exactly what i did, i came to talk to you guys before anything happened.

How about ever showing yourself present on any medium aside this one small venture interest?

 

I have been playing SS since `2000

Welcome aboard, Newblet.

 

there's no need for character assassination.

I call it as I see it. If I see Mushroom, I say "mushroom". If I see Badger, I say "Badger". If I see Snake...

 

I am trying to help you, remember?

Help ME? Now that's a hoot. I thought you're supposed to help SUBSPACE. Please, elaborate. In great detail. I wish to know just how are you helping ME?

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein

[TurboSlug22]

I just got an email back from BDE - theyre excited to take part in gamersgate's offer!!

wait... WHAT?

Would you mind posting said email?

 

Here's the email with BDE - obviously, nothing has happened yet, I'm waiting to hear back from gamersgate about the specifics of their offer and i've edited out some of the contact info:

-----------------------------

 

k, while i do like what you are trying to do, calling yourself a representative of the community is wrong. No offense, but i'd rather have someone like Polix or Ghost ship, or someone who is a zone owner or bang op taking care of this since they can easily pass around that information.

 

Don't stop what you are trying to do, but imo i don't like having you do it, since, at least to me, you are an unknown.

 

no offense or anything, this is just my view on it.

 

 

EDIT: oh and no, i didn't want the address, i wanted to know what he said, which, sadly, has not substance...

ALso: Turbo, while it might seem that the community is hating on you, dont worry. They are not hating on you, they are hating on the fact that you are pushing this stuff through without proper discussion.

 

Sorry that I'm an unknown to you. I've certainly been around in my zone for many many years.

 

The problem with what youre suggesting is that unless the ball is rolling, people arnt going to jump into action unless you show them the idea is viable

 

Thats what im trying to do here. Ive shown gamersgate we're viable. They want to host our client.

 

Now that ive demonstrated that there's a market for our client, I've come here to prove to you that this is a way we can generage new population for our zones.

 

I just want to emphasize here - im just getting offers from people to show you this is possible. There's no harm done because the rights are held by Priitk and he can do what he pleases in the end.

 

Again, no harm has been done - please dont hate.

 

--- ---

 

Now i get what you all are saying about how ss should be free etc... and yes, that certainly is ideal... but if these people simply arnt going to host the client unless its at a cost, then when does it become ok for us to start entertaining this option? Do we have to wait until our zones are totally dead?

 

Listen, the reason im here posting this at all is because my league squad cant make a showing. We cant qualify for our matches even if most of us show up and there's no new players to recruit.

 

I'm literally facing the end in the face.

 

and right now, i hope youll appreciate that i am trying very very hard to hold back a slew of profanity and anger at how you people have treated the energy ive put in.. both now and over the YEARS that ive devoted to my zone's staff

 

I cant communicate to you the heartbreak....

Edited November 13, 2009 by TurboSlug22

[Gravitron]

Thats what im trying to do here. Ive shown gamersgate we're viable. They want to host our client.

They'll host anything so long you own the rights and can permit them legally to host it and so long they're allowed to CHARGE for it (and so long it doesn't get them in trouble with their data center, AKA no Pornography or things which violate the DMCA).

 

Now that ive demonstrated that there's a market for our client

You haven't.

The people who already play this for free won't go to pay $5 to download it again.

Show me that market - those people who haven't yet to know this game and will pay $5 to download it.

 

I've come here to prove to you that this is a way we can generage new population for our zones.

Then prove it.

Get Gamersgate to give you NUMBERS.

Find games which are similar to SubSpace, old, dated graphics, MMO, generally free. And ask for gamersgate's numbers on these games's conversion rates. Go ask the games for their side of the story and if gamersgate are really effective.

THAT is how you do your HOMEWORK RESEARCH. THAT is how you PROVE things (especially when talking with VCs, loan bankers, et cetera conducting business).

 

Listen, the reason im here posting this at all is because my league squad cant make a showing. We cant qualify for our matches even if most of us show up and there's no new players to recruit.

Ah, finally, the cat is out of the sack. So now we know the truth, the real reason here and your own vested interest.

SubSpace isn't about YOUR zone or YOUR squad making to YOUR ZONE's league games.

This isn't about YOUR needs.

 

I'm literally facing the end in the face.

Join the club. Mine ended circa Y2K (Inet's SVS zones dying).

 

and right now, i hope youll appreciate that i am trying very very hard to hold back a slew of profanity and anger at how you people have treated the energy ive put in.. both now and over the YEARS that ive devoted to my zone's staff

Burst right ahead. None's stopping you. Bottling up anger will only give you indigestion. Venting is better for your health. You're not the only one who put energy and effort (or even money) onto this game to have it all sput right back in their face.

 

I cant communicate to you the heartbreak....

Again, Join the Club, '98 veteran here (VIE shutdown, and many many more times thereafter).

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein

[TurboSlug22]

Thats what im trying to do here. Ive shown gamersgate we're viable. They want to host our client.

They'll host anything so long you own the rights and can permit them legally to host it and so long they're allowed to CHARGE for it (and so long it doesn't get them in trouble with their data center, AKA no Pornography or things which violate the DMCA).

 

Now that ive demonstrated that there's a market for our client

You haven't.

The people who already play this for free won't go to pay $5 to download it again.

Show me that market - those people who haven't yet to know this game and will pay $5 to download it.

 

I've come here to prove to you that this is a way we can generage new population for our zones.

Then prove it.

Get Gamersgate to give you NUMBERS.

Find games which are similar to SubSpace, old, dated graphics, MMO, generally free. And ask for gamersgate's numbers on these games's conversion rates. Go ask the games for their side of the story and if gamersgate are really effective.

THAT is how you do your HOMEWORK RESEARCH. THAT is how you PROVE things (especially when talking with VCs, loan bankers, et cetera conducting business).

 

Listen, the reason im here posting this at all is because my league squad cant make a showing. We cant qualify for our matches even if most of us show up and there's no new players to recruit.

Ah, finally, the cat is out of the sack. So now we know the truth, the real reason here and your own vested interest.

SubSpace isn't about YOUR zone or YOUR squad making to YOUR ZONE's league games.

This isn't about YOUR needs.

 

I'm literally facing the end in the face.

Join the club. Mine ended circa Y2K (Inet's SVS zones dying).

 

and right now, i hope youll appreciate that i am trying very very hard to hold back a slew of profanity and anger at how you people have treated the energy ive put in.. both now and over the YEARS that ive devoted to my zone's staff

Burst right ahead. None's stopping you. Bottling up anger will only give you indigestion. Venting is better for your health. You're not the only one who put energy and effort (or even money) onto this game to have it all sput right back in their face.

 

I cant communicate to you the heartbreak....

Again, Join the Club, '98 veteran here (VIE shutdown, and many many more times thereafter).

 

I guess youre right - I'm doing it to increase the population to MY zone. But you all benefit too, the population increase will favor us all equally.

 

I dont think its necessary to get the figures on exactly how much money gamersgate projects that the rights holder will make - the reason being, we dont care about money - this is about exposure. And if the client is available on gamersgate's servers, then everyone that uses gamersgate will see it.

 

Oh and, never did i suggest that old players would be made to pay for the client.

[Samapico]

Making people pay for something that is free... Pft...

 

Imagine the comments section filled with 'DON'T BUY THIS, you can download it free at ssforum.net/... '

 

I didn't reed all of this (not even most posts), but making people pay for Continuum would simply be illegal, even if BDE owns Subspace. You'd need a new client for that, or have Priitk himself change the license agreement.

 

Edit: Also, to be honest, the Continuum client isn't really worth 5$ from a customer's point of view... Then again, a new client with some stuff actually from the current century 'could' be worth 5$.

[TurboSlug22]

Making people pay for something that is free... Pft...

 

Imagine the comments section filled with 'DON'T BUY THIS, you can download it free at ssforum.net/... '

 

I didn't reed all of this (not even most posts), but making people pay for Continuum would simply be illegal, even if BDE owns Subspace. You'd need a new client for that, or have Priitk himself change the license agreement.

 

Yes, im fully aware of the legality - we're talking about having this Ok'd by priitk. Essentially what that means is, priitk changes the users agreement in such a way that PRESERVES the status of the community as being able to distribute the client, but also making an allowance for distributers to sell the client. Which is a compramise sure, but at least we get new players.

 

I get that the best idea is to have these portals host the client for free. Ive even offered to pay them. The reality is, i just dont think they'll go for it unless they can charge for it.

[Gravitron]

No, sama, it won't be illegal.

Because, continuum in itself, in the end, is illegal.

The agreement, as I said before, was that so long the game is free BDE won't intervene with us/continuum (because they don't want someone making money on something they own, at least not without getting their due cut).

And that's the reason behind the, laughable, continuum TOS. Because if someone was trying to sell continuum (presumably without BDE's approval) then BDE would've stepped in and enforced legally the shutdown of all SubSpace.

Since they're willing participants in this (assumably, they've not been given all the details yet, but they probably will approve) then any seemingly legal barrier is moot.

 

 

Bottom line, it is ethically and morally wrong.

But, legally, if Turbo want to go ahead with this then he can go right ahead. BDE gave him a green light (why wouldn't they? they have potential to make money while doing NOTHING) and they're the legal owners and thus the ones allowed to approve or deny this venture.

 

I say it'll just bring harm at worst, or do no good to improve at best. Times will tell.

 

There's nothing more to discuss here.

 

Except this: if this backfires, turbo, expect a witch hunt, and the main staking event will be you.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Ori Klein